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SG-17 said:
Flash has overtaken Arrow for me. I still love Arrow, but god is it dark and broody. I'd like Ollie to lighten up and be more like his DCAU counterpart. He doesn't have to be a jokester, but some wisecracking and some episodes that actually have Arrow action take place during the day would be nice.
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Exactly how I felt too. I personally haven't had the same problems with Arrow as other people seem to have this season, been enjoying it a lot. Flash starting out kind of shallow, the script felt forced at times and I didn't like many of the characters tbh (which was a bit disappointing after being so hyped). It has grown a lot on me though, and this crossover week made me appreciate Flash more than Arrow. Still, I'm sure Arrow will eventually pick up this season, there's a lot of stuff waiting to happen. I'm just glad both series are alive and kicking at this point. :)
 
Anyone catch the little Justice League reference?
Cisco: "Barry and Olvier kicked ass last week. They were in, like...a league of their own"
 
SG-17 said:
Flash has overtaken Arrow for me. I still love Arrow, but god is it dark and broody. I'd like Ollie to lighten up and be more like his DCAU counterpart. He doesn't have to be a jokester, but some wisecracking and some episodes that actually have Arrow action take place during the day would be nice.
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I'd just like Ollie to actually have a double life. Barry has a life as both the Flash and Barry but Ollie is just the Arrow. He lives in the Arrow cave, doesn't socialise outside of his Arrow duties, it kinda makes him boring.
 
infi said:
I'd just like Ollie to actually have a double life. Barry has a life as both the Flash and Barry but Ollie is just the Arrow. He lives in the Arrow cave, doesn't socialise outside of his Arrow duties, it kinda makes him boring.
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Part of the fun in season 1 was him trying to reenter his life. Especially when everyone around him thought he was the same spoiled rich kid, but Ameel would give Oliver this look that if he wanted to he could break all of their necks in a heart beat.
 
FlashbladeGAF said:
Part of the fun in season 1 was him trying to reenter his life. Especially when everyone around him thought he was the same spoiled rich kid, but Ameel would give Oliver this look that if he wanted to he could break all of their necks in a heart beat.
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Yep. As much as people harp on the first half of season 1, it was probably the most enjoyable for me because it was fun seeing Oliver trying to re-integrate into society without much help and with no one really knowing his secret. Now everyone knows pretty much everything about him, he's saddled with a million sidekicks who sometimes serve no purpose other than to stand there, and he's got no Oliver life whatsoever.

I get that this Arrow season is about rediscovering Oliver Queen, but it's just taking way too long and the show is suffering for it. In general this season feels a lot slower, almost like they've run out of stuff to do. The island is stagnant and really jarring/arbitrary at times, they are obviously making it up as they go now. Nothing is really happening in Starling outside of villain of the week stuff. I never thought I'd use the term "oversaturated" to describe a character, but Felicity is the very definition of this. She was great as a quirky occasional sidekick, but being crammed in as a main character and exhausted just doesn't feel right. Roy is useless. Diggle is still cool but he's also just that guy that follows Oliver around now. Everything is pretty stagnant.

The flash on the other hand is the complete opposite right now and I'm enjoying it so much more, but to be fair, it is still just the first season. Anyhow, sorry for the big arrow rant in the flash thread lol.
 
Hmm. I'm thinking that the Reverse Flash could straight up
be played by Grant. After all, it would fit with the whole plastic surgery to look like the Flash angle from the comics.
 
I was both really happy and kinda taken by surprise when they outright name-dropped Batman. I was surprised due to copyright reasons and whatnot, considering what someone said about saying "Gotham" or "Metropolis" in the show being impossible. I was happy because that line about him started highlighting the Flash's specific thematics, and they're hopefully starting to get to the real meat of the character.
 
L4DANathan said:
I was both really happy and kinda taken by surprise when they outright name-dropped Batman. I was surprised due to copyright reasons and whatnot, considering what someone said about saying "Gotham" or "Metropolis" in the show being impossible. I was happy because that line about him started highlighting the Flash's specific thematics, and they're hopefully starting to get to the real meat of the character.
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He said "that man," closed captions confirms it. Though he could have pronounced it that way intentionally, I suppose :P
 
I watch both shows and loved the crossovers, I hope we get more.
 
strafer said:
if this guy were to guest star, who could he play?

Michael_Rosenbaum.jpg
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Young Lionel Luthor

or Luth Lexor.
 
Here's a question: Do people think that the red and yellow blurs before Barry's mother was killed were the flash and reverse flash fighting?

Because that is completely obvious to me but I'm getting people on youtube (yeah, I know) calling me an idiot because I'm basing my theories around it.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Here's a question: Do people think that the red and yellow blurs before Barry's mother was killed were the flash and reverse flash fighting?

Because that is completely obvious to me but I'm getting people on youtube (yeah, I know) calling me an idiot because I'm basing my theories around it.
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Your first mistake is expecting logic from YouTube comments.
The second one is posting in YouTube comments.
The third is trying to have a discussion there.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Here's a question: Do people think that the red and yellow blurs before Barry's mother was killed were the flash and reverse flash fighting?

Because that is completely obvious to me but I'm getting people on youtube (yeah, I know) calling me an idiot because I'm basing my theories around it.
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yeah I thought that was completely obvious too.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Here's a question: Do people think that the red and yellow blurs before Barry's mother was killed were the flash and reverse flash fighting?

Because that is completely obvious to me but I'm getting people on youtube (yeah, I know) calling me an idiot because I'm basing my theories around it.
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Certainly a possibility. Interesting idea and jives with what can be expected in the universe.
 
StaticJam said:
Your first mistake is expecting logic from YouTube comments.
The second one is posting in YouTube comments.
The third is trying to have a discussion there.
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I get that, but I was starting to question my judgement. But after watching the sequence from the pilot there are distinct red and yellow blobs in the lightning.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Here's a question: Do people think that the red and yellow blurs before Barry's mother was killed were the flash and reverse flash fighting?

Because that is completely obvious to me but I'm getting people on youtube (yeah, I know) calling me an idiot because I'm basing my theories around it.
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That's what I assumed but RF's suit is yellow and his sparks are red so it could be just him I suppose.
 
infi said:
That's what I assumed but RF's suit is yellow and his sparks are red so it could be just him I suppose.
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I keep on watching that sequence over and over again and I can't interpret it any other way.

You get a mixture of colours like in this shot: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view-screencap.php?tv-show=the-flash-2014&image=s01e01_37

But then there are distinct blocks of colours (sometimes in the same shot) like here: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view-screencap.php?tv-show=the-flash-2014&image=s01e01_41

and here: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view-screencap.php?tv-show=the-flash-2014&image=s01e01_38
 
So what if Harrison Wells wanting to make Barry stronger faster and the whole future newspaper thing is really about saving Barry from RF instead of something like his "surviving" the Crisis or whatever? Wells probably knows Barry's fate and his merging with and IIRC creating the Speed Force.

The timeline changed starting with RF killing Barry's mother and Wells showed up like a month later in Central City which was certainly not a coincidence, maybe it caused Barry to not become the Flash, causing a huge problem for the future since Barry was responsible for ending the Crisis. So now Wells main goal is to get the timeline back on track at least with the important things while making Barry stronger from threats such as RF who Wells knows is now out there and maybe stronger than Barry. So in the original timeline Barry still had the accident that made him the Flash but that version had been hit with umm, regular lighting. Where as new timeline Barry got the Speed Force infused version from Wells using the particle accelerator as a Speed Force "magnet" or something but as a side effect created the meta-humans and altering how many of Barry's rogues came into being.


Ugh I'm too tired to do whatever it is I'm trying to do here aside from making a mumbled jumbled mess in what I'm trying to say though it's not really a new idea.


Napoleonthechimp said:
I keep on watching that sequence over and over again and I can't interpret it any other way.

You get a mixture of colours like in this shot: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view-screencap.php?tv-show=the-flash-2014&image=s01e01_37

But then there are distinct blocks of colours (sometimes in the same shot) like here: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view-screencap.php?tv-show=the-flash-2014&image=s01e01_41

and here: http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view-screencap.php?tv-show=the-flash-2014&image=s01e01_38
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Yellow is Barry, red is Reverse Flash, Barry's lighting effect is yellow while RF's is red, new timeline Barry's lighting effect is a bit different because he's already got the Speed Force but he's not as tapped into it as future, original time line Barry who decided to save his younger self. Or something again, I need sleep.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
Ugh I'm too tired to do whatever it is I'm trying to do here aside from making a mumbled jumbled mess in what I'm trying to say though it's not really a new idea.
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Wells does seem invested in maintaining the integrity of the timeline to the point where he's willing to assist in the development of future villains (Grodd). I have my own theories which are similar, but I've got to wonder what the crisis was that caused the original timeline disruption.
 
They really weren't kidding about hm getting stronger, huh? He's consistently outrunning bullets now, that means he has to be hitting like 1800mph or higher right?
 
Hours Left said:
I have no idea who/what that is.
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Penguin said:
I think it's part of The Flash Aftershow on Afterbuzz or aftershock or after something!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IM8bkJObI4

I've seen a lot of his videos.

Napoleonthechimp said:
Wells does seem invested in maintaining the integrity of the timeline to the point where he's willing to assist in the development of future villains (Grodd). I have my own theories which are similar, but I've got to wonder what the crisis was that caused the original timeline disruption.
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The timeline disruption would be Reverse Flash going back in time and killing Barry's mother and maybe Barry before he saved himself. Now maybe Barry still becomes The Flash as he is supposed to but Wells is here wanting to make Barry stronger because he knows RF is still out there and looking to kill him which would still screw up the timeline. Part of his plan is to give Barry access to the Speed Force from the start or at least a lot sooner than he did in the original time line where he merged with it and was gone for years, in turn making Barry significantly stronger than he was at this point in the original time line. The future (or probably Wells' past) needs Barry to survive and Reverse Flash is batshit crazy, not even thinking of the consequences of a dead Barry Allen.
 
The Brave & the Bold highlighted why Flash has been so good. Arrow now has this bright, optimistic counter point and it makes both shows better.

The intro spin where Barry catches Captain Boomerang's blades was awesome. Sooo good.

infi said:
I'd just like Ollie to actually have a double life. Barry has a life as both the Flash and Barry but Ollie is just the Arrow. He lives in the Arrow cave, doesn't socialise outside of his Arrow duties, it kinda makes him boring.
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They addressed it this episode, too. The Arrow losing more of himself into the mask... even the detective was like, "haven't seen you in a while." to Ollie.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
Ugh I'm too tired to do whatever it is I'm trying to do here aside from making a mumbled jumbled mess in what I'm trying to say though it's not really a new idea.
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I think it's been made pretty clear that wells true motives aren't heroic at all.

He wants and needs the Flash to exist, sure. But it's for whatever selfish reasons he has, not just for Barry's sake.

He's called Barry his most important creation, which I think refers not just to the particle accelerator explosion, but rather the murder of Barry's mother as an intrinsic motivator.

The potential for Barry being injured, e.g. the cold gun or the loss of his powers, makes him fret.

He's been shown killing people.

Also, after Joe West confronts him about his coincidental arrival, he covers his tracks, but then entirely coincidentally as well - Joe gets a visit telling him to stop investigating.
 
Awesome crossover episodes, liked the Flash's more than Arrow but man, it was just so much fun seeing these two big characters coming together on screen. The banter between them was great.
 
Could anyone with GIF making experience make a GIF of Barry catching two boomerangs .. ? That was the most epic scene from both crossovers
 
Seriously, that promo looks intense.

Reverse Flash looks legitimately terrifying.

What is that final line at the end?
It is your destiny... something
 
I think the show runners have got to be smarter than making Wells into Prof. Zoom.

I honestly think he plays such an important part of the team dynamic at STAR that I can't imagine him completely out of the picture.

They've also taken a character named after Barry's rival (Thawne) and dating the girl he loves (Iris) and made him into a likable, almost hilariously oblivious character that seems to be completely disarming.

I'm not really sure what's going to happen, since it seems to obvious that either Eddie or Wells is Reverse-Flash at this point. But I also hope the series doesn't go deus ex machina with the villain and just pull him out of nowhere.

Also, quick theory: What if Wells is Barry, from the future? Really long stretch I know, but what if Barry grows up to be a brilliant scientist (his mother never dies, so he doesn't grow close to Joe and doesn't go into police work) who finds a way to tap into the Speed Force. He does so, and creates Professor Zoom, who somehow causes the crisis. Barry/Wells decides the only way to stop Zoom is to go back in time (using Zoom's ability to time travel somehow) and turn young Barry into The Flash.

Wells shares enough physical characteristics with Barry that he could be him, just 20-30 years older.

Why does Wells see young Flash (Grant) in the newspaper, in the future? Simple. He goes back in time, makes his younger self into the Flash, and at some point Barry goes forward in time and stops it from happening. Now, that would be a twist.
 
I'm kind of hoping that Eddie is Reverse Flash. Like, right now, he's a genuine hero, but something horrible happens that drives him insane and gives him Flash-esque abilities.
 
CuckFupertino said:
I think the show runners have got to be smarter than making Wells into Prof. Zoom.

I honestly think he plays such an important part of the team dynamic at STAR that I can't imagine him completely out of the picture.

They've also taken a character named after Barry's rival (Thawne) and dating the girl he loves (Iris) and made him into a likable, almost hilariously oblivious character that seems to be completely disarming.

I'm not really sure what's going to happen, since it seems to obvious that either Eddie or Wells is Reverse-Flash at this point. But I also hope the series doesn't go deus ex machina with the villain and just pull him out of nowhere.

Also, quick theory: What if Wells is Barry, from the future? Really long stretch I know, but what if Barry grows up to be a brilliant scientist (his mother never dies, so he doesn't grow close to Joe and doesn't go into police work) who finds a way to tap into the Speed Force. He does so, and creates Professor Zoom, who somehow causes the crisis. Barry/Wells decides the only way to stop Zoom is to go back in time (using Zoom's ability to time travel somehow) and turn young Barry into The Flash.

Wells shares enough physical characteristics with Barry that he could be him, just 20-30 years older.

Why does Wells see young Flash (Grant) in the newspaper, in the future? Simple. He goes back in time, makes his younger self into the Flash, and at some point Barry goes forward in time and stops it from happening. Now, that would be a twist.
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None of these "Wells is Barry from the future" theories line up for me. The Newspaper headline of Flash Gone Missing doesn't work with it unless you pull some insane timey wimey stuff that is way beyond paradox creating. I mean I know it's a comic show but I don't think any TV Show is going to go THAT far.
 
Jest Chillin said:
None of these "Wells is Barry from the future" theories line up for me. The Newspaper headline of Flash Gone Missing doesn't work with it unless you pull some insane timey wimey stuff that is way beyond paradox creating. I mean I know it's a comic show but I don't think any TV Show is going to go THAT far.
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Well, let's think. Wells is trying to prevent Infinite Crisis which happens in 2024. That's only a decade away. Unless he got radical plastic surgery OR they survived Infinite Crisis and Barry lives another two decades, I don't think he's Barry.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I'm kind of hoping that Eddie is Reverse Flash. Like, right now, he's a genuine hero, but something horrible happens that drives him insane and gives him Flash-esque abilities.
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I have a feeling it will be Eddie, but not yet. Eddie seems like he will do anything to catch flash. This show is so hard to predict what will happen. Wells is the most interesting character to kw
Know what his game plan is.
 
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