Are remasters going to count in GAF's GOTY voting?
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Haunted
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Like what?
Rogue Legacy springs immediately to my mind.
I guess we'll know once the new rules are posted.
Skellig Gra
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Can't wait to vote for final fantasy 7 next year
ShockingAlberto
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I wonder if Marvel Heroes 2015 counts.
Effigenius
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Because they're not new games? Should resident evil one count next year when the remake comes out just because some people haven't played it? The award should be for games that were new in 2014 only.
You're forgetting the MCC.
Are risks more important than the quality of the game though? There are games that have taken risks and/or were creative but just simply weren't good games. Should those games be considered for top 10 lists more than remasters of great games, with some of those remasters doing more to the original game than some actual sequels that get released during a year?
Like I said before, I think there's enough people here who wouldn't vote for remasters and/or feel they shouldn't be eligible to the point in which making them ineligible probably isn't worth the effort in the first place. I say just let people here vote for what they want/enjoyed the most this year.
thecouncil
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You didn't play a lot of games or do you don't own a Nintendo?
Haunted
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Obviously not feasible as that would disqualify most sequels as well.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Its still the same game though. No matter how good it is, its just an added gimmick.
Of course, I shouldn't be so adamant about it. I basically consider Mario Kart and Smash Bros to be ports, even with new stages/characters. Just more of the same. Incidentally this isn't just a slam against Nintendo. I feel the same about Forza/Gran Turismo games, and many sequels/series.
Of course it doesn't. Nor will Shovel Knight next year.
Shining Sunshine
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TLOU game of the years
It released on PC in 2013. I can't see how you'd allow an identical game on a different platform, but disallow an enhanced version of a game on a different platform.
As I said though, I'm sure it'll be clarified when the rules are posted.
The rules are changing this year.
You think my argument was for bad games? Obviously not when discussing GOTY, I think it's implied that the game should be good/great.
Sequels can bring something new/changes for the better though. Think ME2 to ME1.
Depends on the nature of the remaster. The MCC at its core is a collection of ports, however it also contains a bunch of new stuff. Something like TLOU is just a straight up port.
orthodoxy1095
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One could make a semantic argument about what constitutes the dividing line between new and old. Does a "new" resolution, "new" framerate etc count as new stuff? What exactly makes a new game? The disc that is GTAV Remastered or TLoUR was not on shelves last year and the content therein could not, in specificity, be in played last year. You could have played GTAV, but you didn't play GTA V Remastered. I mean, really you get into issues of what constitutes a significant enough change to count as "new." Should we count GTA V but discount the Halo MCC? I don't think the MCC collection should be thrown out by any stretch of the imagination because while it's a port, it has tons of stuff you have never touched before.
I'm leaning towards them counting. I didn't play TLoU last year, played it last month, and it certainly is on my GOTY list.
timetokill
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The reason for the port rule was to allow games that were getting split releases around the holiday to be eligible for all voters. The goal is for the rules to be straightforward and clear, and to emphasize new game software that defines the 2014 year for the forum. In general we frown on older titles being voted on because it goes against the spirit of the thing, which is to recognize the best new titles of the year. The LTTP voting was a stopgap, implemented as a way to allow those who were late to playing a game to register their satisfaction. The way that is handled may be changed as well.
Some people noted a contradiction between a title's eligibility between being ported to a new platform, and to remasters. Those are the kinds of issues I want to avoid with the updated rules.
Thanks to everyone weighing in on this. Obviously there's no way to make everyone happy. I'm going to do my best to put forward the best implementation I can, though.
Haha, you guys are ridiculous. Those were deserving winners. I don't have a problem with them. I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen them personally, but the board did.
Actually one of the catalysts for looking at updating the rules last year was because of Wind Waker HD.
Some people noted a contradiction between a title's eligibility between being ported to a new platform, and to remasters. Those are the kinds of issues I want to avoid with the updated rules.
Thanks to everyone weighing in on this. Obviously there's no way to make everyone happy. I'm going to do my best to put forward the best implementation I can, though.
Haha, you guys are ridiculous. Those were deserving winners. I don't have a problem with them. I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen them personally, but the board did.
Actually one of the catalysts for looking at updating the rules last year was because of Wind Waker HD.
d00d3n
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Yes, Rebirth should be eligible. On the other hand, I enjoyed TLOU: remastered and current gen GTAV, but it would be awful if they pushed other stuff out of the list (which seems likely considering how weak a gaming year 2014 has been). It seems hard to argue for making Rebirth eligible while not allowing TLOU and GTAV. A difficult problem to solve, really, and I hope that someone comes up with an intellectually satisfying reason for "doing the right thing".
Ain't nobody gonna rob Unity of that honor.
Haunted
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If you hadn't voted for it before, I mean.
While with remasters it might be eligible to be voted for "twice".
So I can vote for any PC game any year? Neat.
I don't think the usual "remasters" should be eligible. Something like Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, which has a huge amount of changes and tons of new content is different. Perhaps it should be like journal submissions of conference papers: at least 30% completely new content
Shining Sunshine
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So I can vote for any PC game any year? Neat.
I don't think the usual "remasters" should be eligible. Something like Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, which has a huge amount of changes and tons of new content is different. Perhaps it should be like journal submissions of conference papers: at least 30% completely new content
There goes all of EA's sports games.
Good riddance I say.There goes all of EA's sports games.
orthodoxy1095
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Way to take semantics to the next extreme.So I can vote for any PC game any year? Neat.
I don't think the usual "remasters" should be eligible. Something like Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, which has a huge amount of changes and tons of new content is different. Perhaps it should be like journal submissions of conference papers: at least 30% completely new content
The point I was making was that TLoUR and GTA V Remastered, as buyable in stores, were not the exact games you could have played next year. As far as I'm concerned if the version of the game you played has a release date of 2014, you should be able to vote for it. That includes ports, remasters, or whatever. BoI:R, Valkyria Chronciles (PC), FF XIII (PC), TLoUR, SMT 4 (Eur.), Halo: MCC should be eligible. If they push other games out of the list, that sucks, but the games that got pushed out should have been able to speak for themselves.
I'm not really concerned at the end of the day. I'll take part in the thread and post a list that conforms to the rules, but I'm also well aware that the list won't be reflective of my actual GOTYs.
TheRedSnifit
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The problem here is that this turns it into a Game of All Time award, with a completely arbitrary "must have a re-release in X year" rule that seems to be in place specifically to allow two certain games to get another year of eligibility. I mean, I think Super Metroid was the best game I played this year, so why shouldn't that qualify?
I also think that people are ignoring the logistical issues with re-releases. Under the old rules, you could only vote for a previous year's game if you didn't vote for it that year - meaning that somebody would have to go back into last year's GOTY thread and make sure that the people voting TLoU and GTA V aren't repeating themselves.
ArkkAngel007
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While I wouldn't care either way, that would be the best route for now.
Gully State
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If remastered are going to count based on content argument, then I might as well vote for dota 2 since it received a huge amount of content change last year.
entremet
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Probably a clarification on ports/remasters.
TLOU/GTAV are still ports. Sure they added a 1st Person mode, but this isn't a Resident Evil 1 jump from PS1 to GC.
Benzychenz
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Stuff like GTA V and TLoU? Absolutely not.
But something like Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix that hasn't been released in English before? I'm not sure where to stand tbh.
But something like Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix that hasn't been released in English before? I'm not sure where to stand tbh.
AntiFacebook
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Well,there is no voting for worst game of the year,so KH2 shouldn't be considered either way.
RocketRacoon
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Ice cold.
OT I think it should just be a separate category.
Metro Redux
Binding of Isaac Rebirth
The Last of Us Ps4
GTA5 NG
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition
Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition
There's been enough on ps4 alone to warrant it. Plus theres Bayonetta U, MCC, etc.
toastyToast
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People can do whatever they want. In all likelihood they won't make that big a splash.
I'm considering putting The Last of Us Remastered on mine. Probably one of my best experiences this year, played it through 3 times (Grounded was amazing) and I really got into the MP. I dunno about that game since Left Behind came out this year which some people really enjoyed along with the Grounded difficulty. It made my list last year and I barely played it through twice.
I'm considering putting The Last of Us Remastered on mine. Probably one of my best experiences this year, played it through 3 times (Grounded was amazing) and I really got into the MP. I dunno about that game since Left Behind came out this year which some people really enjoyed along with the Grounded difficulty. It made my list last year and I barely played it through twice.
MrJonnyBigBoss
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AntiFacebook
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I personally wouldn't complain if Tie Fighter(A 1994 game) wins the 2014 GOTY
d34thfrom4bov3
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Remaster should be seperate. Remakes, I dunno, depending on how well done they are I'm kind of okay with. Like Pokemon, it's been completely redone and feels fresh enough that it doesn't feel like the same game I played years ago. I dunno, that's just me. Remasters I feel are different, like GTA an Last of Us. They didn't add as much of anything other than being prettier.
LurkerPrime
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I hope not. Not even as its own category.
There's no reason to reward greed, and giving such things extra attention in this manner will only encourage more of it. In general, shutting out other, worthier games for the sake of previously-lauded remasterings will only lead to awards ceremonies and industry recognition becoming even more of an echo chamber than it already is.
There's no reason to reward greed, and giving such things extra attention in this manner will only encourage more of it. In general, shutting out other, worthier games for the sake of previously-lauded remasterings will only lead to awards ceremonies and industry recognition becoming even more of an echo chamber than it already is.
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