Agreed.
Still, I like the show, but it's almost like loving a child you know went wrong somewhere and is a disappointment, but you still love them.
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Agreed.
Still, I like the show, but it's almost like loving a child you know went wrong somewhere and is a disappointment, but you still love them.
illmatic22
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Better than us Sonic the Hedgehogs fans get.
Our fanbase is cursed, looking for fanart is a scary task.
Thank God for head canon.
JadedWriter
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There's also this one. Those appeared in my Facebook feed this morning. Kuvira is such a cute kid. Too bad she'll never be animated
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Kuviras the lamest metal bender holy shit.
outplayed so hard with these moves.
such an awesome fight
got me like
m_shortpants
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such an awesome fight
got me like
Su is the best Beifong. bataar sr is a lucky man.
Icyflamez96
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I still find the presentation and flare of this show to be much better than ATLA. Obviously this is probably an unpopular opinion, but while I acknowledge how much of a disappointment this show is to ATLA and how worse the writing is, I still find that LoK just gives me more thirlls when watching it. I caught some episodes of ATLA a week ago and it just felt less enjoyable somehow. I'm gonna rewatch the whole thing soon and see what I really think about it since I haven't seen it in a while.
So basically, i'm saying LoK is an extreme disappointment in terms of writing, characters, and overall quality, but I still find LoK more thrilling to watch for shallow reasons.
So basically, i'm saying LoK is an extreme disappointment in terms of writing, characters, and overall quality, but I still find LoK more thrilling to watch for shallow reasons.
Admiral Woofington
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I don't think their relationship was ever as sweet as these fanarts are showing. Looks to me like it was more of a mentor/apprentice relationship and she recognized her potential. Not a mother/daughter relationship.
all this thread does is complain. you make Korra sad
That's like saying, "hey, why are you complaining your friend's gonna die? He must be fine if you're still with him in his hospital room like he's gonna live!"
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Xpike
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Well we won't ever know, since all we'll be shown of Kuvira is that she's Hitler.
SilentMatthew
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I'm pretty sure Su mention Kuvira was like a daughter to her or something like that. Although... I'm having doubts that even a throw away line happened, which kinda shows how undeveloped Kuvira really is...
JadedWriter
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Considering that we barely see kids of characters interacting with their parent minus the airbending kids we can't really assume much. We barely even know how Korra gets along with her mother so who's to say anything. Suyin does seem pretty hurt and vengeful about the whole Kuvira thing since she's adamant about her being put down, so one would assume there's some kind of personal attachment there. Kuvira never tortured the Bei Fongs while they were captured and didn't even bother separating them either, plus she also mentioned what she learned in Zaofu as a reason to spread her leadership to other parts of the Earth Kingdom so I would think there's some kind of respect there.
Eh...fair enough.
I've gone back and forth on the art direction of TLA vs LoK. On one hand, the character designs of LoK are more realistic. I think everyone noticed this when Iroh came back into the show, and everyone noted how wierd he looked next to Korra and other characters. I usually prefer the more realistic aesthetics...
However, I feel that TLA was far more expressive. I don't know if it's specifically because of their slightly more cartoony aesthetic or if this is just yet another failing that LoK brought with it or what. I also think it's because LoK is far more afraid to have 'serious' characters like Korra and Mako be the butts of jokes, which allowed more exaggerated expressions for Aang and Katara and Toph. Plus just more variety in plot situations that lent the expression of character actions that wouldn't happen most of the time. And variation in costumes are more noticable in TLA than in LoK.
Plus art direction isn't limited to characters, but also environments, and I think we can agree that TLA kicks LoK's shit in in this department. Upside down temples, a city with an interconnected rail way system, the massive library with technologically advanced solar observation system, various temples in beautiful ruin, an aztec style city, etc. And again, the fact that most of those were utilized in some way by the story lends to their coolness vs if they were just there as background decorations. Nothing LoK had is remotely as impressive.
It's hard for me to tell if I just flat out prefer TLA's aesthetics or if LoK just underutilized what it had that much. I remember when I first saw TLA, and I thought Aang looked stupid as hell. The arrow tattoo was dumb and his yellow jump looking outfit with the tiny red cloak around it or whatever was very visually unappealing. Based on that alone, Korra's character model looks immensely better...but when I actually watch the shows, I question this. But either way, yes, LoK's character models are pretty good on their own, generally speaking.
Yeah, well, that's what head canon is for. You can pick up some of the slack for when the writers are lacking.
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JadedWriter
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You're also forgetting one of the best parts of ATLA. All of the kooky animal combinations. They were great sight gags and pretty creative.
Icyflamez96
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Well I know I can easily say I like Korra's art direction better in general. ATLA had way more variety since they traveled all the time, but I was never a fan of older age type settings in general. I absolutely love the aesthetic of republic city and Zaofu more than anything I remember from ATLA. The more futuristic/diesel punk vibes are straight up my alley, so naturally i'm already going to be biased towards the setting.
Astral Dog
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Hmm, i dont know, Korra has beautiful backgrounds too, the spirit festival,Zaofu, republic city at night, the spirit world, that Avatar Wan episode,even a few, like the ruined mansion were Zaheer and company were hiding left an impression, plus they are more detailed,although i haven watched the last airbender in some time...
yes the older characters were more expressive, but i still prefer the sligthy more realistic designs, sometimes they can be expressive too, the main problem is the writting.
I think its fair to say that, in production values, LoK is an improvment.
Yeah, the wildlife is also another part of it, but LoK might be more justified in that one atleast. Most of their adventures take place in industrialized cities. If anything, I always thought Naga looked very out of place in Republic City, being a giant polarbear dog made for an arctic environment walking around a brown 1920's type city. I think people would freak out.
I guess they could have gotten around this problem by just showing more domesticated animals, I suppose. I think Tenzin is the only one that keeps animals around, probably due to the Aang Act Of Protection Of Sky Bison And Bat Lemurs Or Whatever The Fuck Momo Was.
Yeah, I can't agree. I'm not saying those weren't pretty, but other than Zaofu, I don't think they imply any particular meaning or lend any assistance to the story. Like the upside down temple says a lot about how the airbenders must have viewed the function or architecture when most of their members are capable of flight. Republic city at night suggests people can't see very well in the dark. Otherwise, Omashu with it's interconnected railway system allowed for a very kickass chase sequence/bending fight between Azula and Aang that basically could not have happened anywhere else. Zaofu had potential for something like this, but all that happened was that Zaheer just infiltrated it like any other sealed fortress, via secret entrance we didn't get to see.
Again, TLA's are not only pretty but also better utilized for telling a story. I don't want to cut LoK short though, because it did utilize certain things, such as the Aang statue or even the probending arena. I just don't think it did it anywhere to the same extent or skill as TLA.
You're not wrong, but kid Kuvira is adorable and needs the characterization since she is lacking it in the show. Until there is something that contradicts the interpretation, I'd rather just pretend that both Kuvira and Suyin are eaten up inside by their ruined relationship. It's just so much less compelling if Kuvira really is nothing but a random apprentice that happened to be talented and disagreed with Suyin. Like, who cares about that?
Admiral Woofington
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There was a never point in the flashback or in their way of acting that made me think it was more personal than a mentor/apprentice relationship. Su's hurt in the same sense that a master would be hurt if their apprentice went bad. If she really considered her a daughter the 'let's sneak in and murder her' mission wouldn't have been as rashly made as it was, and she'd show emotion or try to talk with her.
Obi Wan vs Anakin seemed like more of a fight of a Master who didn't want to believe his apprentice had gone evil. There were pleas for reconsideration and hurt feelings/faces from Obi-wan throughout.
JadedWriter
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Anything raised by Toph would probably have a problem talking things out though. My biggest complaint with Suyin during the initial flashback was that she never did try to help Kuvira or offer any type of advice. It was just "do as I say or get the fuck out." Whole thing could've been avoided if she offered to try to help her in some way, but that's always just been how I read that situation.
Admiral Woofington
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To be honest I have a bigger issue with Su being a better metal bender than Lin. It would have been technically fair if Lin had the skills but the shitty personal life while Su had the great social life but she didn't stand a chance against Su.
But I guess this is what happens when you only do metal bending for the law.
But I guess this is what happens when you only do metal bending for the law.
Nah, not true at all. Suyin doesn't have the aggression/social issues that Toph had and Lin inherited. Hell, think of how last season, Suyin went out of her way multiple times to try and communicate with Lin. My interpretation is that Suyin and Kuvira's problems began with that scene and just escalated more and more until Kuvira just decided to hijack half the city guards and leave. But it'd make no sense for there to not be any attempted communications with someone who is as established to be diplomatic as Suyin.
Then again, these writers....
JadedWriter
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Yeah you do have a point. I honestly think Toph's daughters just reflect both sides of her, with Lin definitely taking after the stubborn side of her with Su getting more of the free spirited portions of her. And Kuvira does seem to be a rather obstinate person. Even when you try to negotiate with her she's just going to manipulate the situation till it fits into her plan. She's a rather extreme person that doesn't seem to believe in half measures sadly. She's probably just going to snap at the end. Azula was the same in a way.
I don't see it. Kuvira hasn't actually shown much regret or remorse for her actions, nor any mental issues that Azula had. It's important to remember that Azula never actually wanted power, for all the flair she had in obtaining and wielding it, but to be loved. Kuvira, by all indications, does want power, possibly born out of a genuine desire to do right by the earth kingdom. I want the interpretation given by fan artists of Suyin and Kuvira being close to be true and take it as my headcanon until a scene contradicts it, but there is nothing indicating what Woof is saying is inaccurate.
Kuvira is just poorly characterized as a whole, and that's part of the problem. If there are deeper reasons for Kuvira doing what she is doing, she isn't showing it. If she has deeper relationships with Suyin/Bataar Jr./etc, we don't see it. As it is, she's just the designated villain.
JadedWriter
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Yeah I'm not really doubting that one. I did blank out Azula's parental problems because she did seem to want acceptance more than actual power. We just know Kuvira wants power because she wanted to unite the earth kingdom, that's it. We don't even know why. And yeah she is poor characterized. There's a lot of potential behind her, but that's never going to be addressed. The fan bases head cannon for her is better than the story itself.
The Kuvira fanart has been great and yeah, better than the show (so far) at telling her potential story.
The next episode, titled
, has me thinking we will see a major flashback from her
, and possibly showing
At least, I hope that happens. More diving into her past. The final conflict is, after all, a battle between Korra and Kuvira, who was meant to be Korra's mirror or another version of her. They both grew up secludedly, talented and with great potential, but Korra was always destined to be great just by simply being the Avatar and suffered because of her arrogance early on, while Kuvira lived in Su and the Beifong's constant shadow but never really faced real odds until now.
On other topics (since I've got little free time now):
I enjoy LoK for different reasons from ATLA, although I can't honestly say that I would've liked LoK as much if it weren't for what ATLA sowed in terms of mythology and nostalgia. Such a great show. But Korra herself, I've grown fond off, more so than I imaged just two years ago, as well as the obvious technical reasons.
And LoK has better villains than Zhao, for example, or Ozai to a certain extent. Azula is better, of course, but as with all ATLA characters, her motivations were mostly personal, not giving much of a damn about politics or any ideology, which I like about LoK's villains. But, well, these at the same time have their own drawbacks. So whatever. ATLA's villains don't function in a vacuum, so they're "better" just by being part of the ATLA story in general.
The next episode, titled
"Kuvira's Gambit"
since the episode has her name on it
why she fell in love with Baatar Jr. or how those two empathize each other, judging from that clip.
At least, I hope that happens. More diving into her past. The final conflict is, after all, a battle between Korra and Kuvira, who was meant to be Korra's mirror or another version of her. They both grew up secludedly, talented and with great potential, but Korra was always destined to be great just by simply being the Avatar and suffered because of her arrogance early on, while Kuvira lived in Su and the Beifong's constant shadow but never really faced real odds until now.
On other topics (since I've got little free time now):
I enjoy LoK for different reasons from ATLA, although I can't honestly say that I would've liked LoK as much if it weren't for what ATLA sowed in terms of mythology and nostalgia. Such a great show. But Korra herself, I've grown fond off, more so than I imaged just two years ago, as well as the obvious technical reasons.
And LoK has better villains than Zhao, for example, or Ozai to a certain extent. Azula is better, of course, but as with all ATLA characters, her motivations were mostly personal, not giving much of a damn about politics or any ideology, which I like about LoK's villains. But, well, these at the same time have their own drawbacks. So whatever. ATLA's villains don't function in a vacuum, so they're "better" just by being part of the ATLA story in general.
Admiral Woofington
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I wouldn't hold my breath for backstory on Kuvira. Next episode is probably going to be about her use of spirit vines or in using Bataar Jr for one reason or another.
Nick being Nick
I need those soundtracks so bad.
Good thing is that Jeremy said a couple of days ago that they're slowly making progress on getting it released.
Jeremy
Slow progress? I'll take it, just as long as they see the light of day. Zuckerman deserves it and I'm too entitled to think I don't.Nick being Nick
I need those soundtracks so bad.
Good thing is that Jeremy said a couple of days ago that they're slowly making progress on getting it released.
Jeremy
Hell, we still don't have a complete release of ATLA's soundtrack. You can only find the Aang vs Ozai track from a video game rip!
I think that ship has sailed though. =(
Right now we haven't allowed the Korra Ship to leave friendly waters.
Nick being Nick
I need those soundtracks so bad.
Good thing is that Jeremy said a couple of days ago that they're slowly making progress on getting it released.
Jeremy
OMG, I hadn't seen that Tweet before! Great news that there's progress. While I would love individual albums for each Book, I would settle for a single release with tracks from all three Books.
ALTA soundtrack is long gone, according to Jeremy. He said a couple of years ago that the original recordings where lost and, while he has good quality files from the show, they aren't exactly soundtrack quality, not like the LOK ones.
Atraveller
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What?! Everyone decided to not to give a shit about archiving the assets once the show is over?
Apparently. A similar reason exist to why there's no ATLA blu-ray. The original prints aren't there or nobody gives a shit about them, and they need them in order to get high definition images for blu-ray release.
It COULD be possible to transfer the show to widescreen if the original animation is rescanned to 1080p and then cut, leaving out a lot of stuff from the top and bottoms of each frames (since the series was created in 4:3 back before HD TV's were popular) but achieving a widescreen ratio needed for Blu-ray. They've donde that for other cartoons and animes. It's not impossible for ATLA.
But yeah, it would mean sacrificing big chunks of the top and bottoms of scenes to accommodate the widescreen ratio.
IMHO, they're making a mistake. ALTA DVD's are some of the top selling animated shows, seeing them constantly both on Amazon's top selling and at Best Buy, where they're given much more prominence in shelves than Korra, for example.
That's insane! That's like... oh boy, here's my big inner geek again...
That's like when the BBC erased their only copies of the earlier episodes of Doctor Who, and they had to rely on fans and African television stations to restore them with old recordings!
Atraveller
Banned
I can't
Sucks doesn't it. One can still dream in a perfect world we'll get the ATLA bluray and ost we deserve after Bryan finds the original prints and recordings under his bed or something.
Maybe I've developed a sudden case of dementia and my memory is going, but TLA was big, wasn't it? Like, super big? And critically acclaimed? It was big enough that they made a movie out of it. And they must have been made aware of that fact by season 2 at the latest. That was the show at its peak.
I don't understand.
I don't understand.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Yeah; last season was The Legend of Zaheer and this season should have been The Legend of Toph (feat. Suyin and Lin).
It really is! Although brief, that fight between Suyin and Kuvira was possibly my favourite in all of Avatar/Korra to date.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Fanart is typically just the artist projecting their inner self.
Though that's most art really.
Tell that to Meelo.
We should get more Meelo art.
JadedWriter
Member
Or more Ikki art so I can get diabetes because of how saccharine it will be.
LupusWarrior
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rude
Felt like being blunt. There are reasons to stick around with something other than "it's in really good health."
Sometimes that reason is actually "it's in terrible health," so you make sure to be there to the end.
Avatar's starving, it's being cut up, and it's about to end as a truly creative endeavor, possibly forever. That's pretty bad shape. Not like I've been here the whole time -- I never knew how badly it's been getting treated by Nick until recently -- but I can see someone staying for that reason instead of quitting later in one of the seasons. You stay because you want to see them get better, and then you stay because they shouldn't be alone.
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