SymbiantXenos
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Sinclair pass is amazing
That is all.
That is all.
Driveclub weather update out NOW. laawwwwwd.gif
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This is actually one of the things that struck me as incredibly odd when I played the game for the first time yesterday. The a.i. just doesn't give two fucks and decides to ram into you at full speed on a straight line. One of the few gripes I have with the game so far.
Good luck online then. ;-)
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Nice to see a vid that's not in a super car. Epic.
It really is. Heavy precipitation + sunshine + controlled drifting round those long, sweeping bends through the trees, hnnnnnnnngg.
I've read quotes from a number of people who've said that the AI is "amazing".
It really isn't, it's actually pretty bad, the AI have zero situational awareness.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I think driving so often in FPS mode in GTAV was a good way to get used to that sort of view . I'm finding myself driving in cockpit view in DriveClub much more then my usual front bumper cam. But all the views offer such a different experience I find myself switching alot just to catch a view in a certain lighting. Lighting is beyond phenomenal. It makes races even on the same track completely different. You may catch a think span of shadows messing with your view of the layout of the road causing you to go wider on a turn then you may do in a different time. You may hit a section of the road on a later lap in darker lighting causing the same effect. You may turn right into the blinding setting sun and have difficulty seeing on a stretch you were just fine on before.
Such like that. But man, the hood cam is phenomenal too with the reflections of the track. My fav though would have to be Cockpit and right on the road cams. Right on the road, the sense of speed is almost too much lol. I am only going 110 through those first few circuits and finding myself slowing down into a turn I didn't even need to.
Great stuff. Will post some pics when I get home. Already taken several. The photo mode is really well done
Such like that. But man, the hood cam is phenomenal too with the reflections of the track. My fav though would have to be Cockpit and right on the road cams. Right on the road, the sense of speed is almost too much lol. I am only going 110 through those first few circuits and finding myself slowing down into a turn I didn't even need to.
Great stuff. Will post some pics when I get home. Already taken several. The photo mode is really well done
I needed my first time in the rain at night to be a gentle one.
The update itself is great but there's one really sad detail.
I am SO TIRED of shit splattering on screen when it shouldn't.
I play chase cam, I don't want the fucking rain on my screen, I am not a fucking camera and I don't have a windshield before my fucking eyes. Seriously.
Now it renders night tracks + rain almost unplayable and for no good reasons.
I am SO TIRED of shit splattering on screen when it shouldn't.
I play chase cam, I don't want the fucking rain on my screen, I am not a fucking camera and I don't have a windshield before my fucking eyes. Seriously.
Now it renders night tracks + rain almost unplayable and for no good reasons.
zephervack
Member
Agree, at least make it a toggle.
supaflyryguy
Member
It's definitely just you. Go take the Ariel Atom for a spin with and without precipitation and the difference in traction is night and day. You have to accelerate out of corners so very carefully to avoid disaster.
It's usually the player who is driving like a mad man, you really can't make the AI capable of reacting to all the crazy shit that the players do, when the players themselves aren't driving like how racers would drive IRL. And it's fun how the AI can make very human-like mistakes (that have nothing to do with what the player is doing). The AI does clearly have situational awareness, but the player can easily destroy all of that by being an asshole in races.
Define situational awareness because I'm not sure what is the problem. To me the AI is pretty human.
First, it has good racing line, and they will bump each other. They will ram into you if you brake too suddenly and they don't have time to react. In straight line, if they are faster than you they will move to the side in order to overtake you. Problem is that gamers reaction is to block them, which result in more ramming ( often the case online ). In a real life race, blocking can be dangerous for driver and there is a number of rules for overtaking.
You can deny them the interior of a corner, overtake them and get out cleanly. If you miss your corner they will take the interior. If you lost too much speed, they will draft you and take advantage of their superior cornering exit speed.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Ha oh I see, that was a very pedestrian choice of car lol.
Hmmm.....not convinced by that argument, at all.
AI appear to have super-brakes, and can stop MUCH quicker than the player can, this leads to the AI ramming you as you tend to start braking much earlier than they do.
They also turn in on you a lot.
They also ram the hell out of each other............
Bog
Junior Ace
I think it's simply trying to even the playing field with those using the dash cam.
There's a very good reason why it does that. The rain is supposed to not only affect handling, but to affect visibility to add authenticity to the rainy weather conditions (driving in heavy snow/rain is horrible in real life and DC is trying to make it feel authentic) and if one camera mode did not have that, it would be an unfair disadvantage to everyone who used the other camera angles.
And stop playing in chase cam, it's lame.
dannethmps
Neo Member
Ingueferroque
Banned
It wouldn't be fair for those that do play in cockpit.
You should play in cockpit too. Seriously.
I like how the AI is agressive and not afraid to push/nudge.
That video is ridiculous though.. this isn't GTA. There shouldn't be a situation where the player would just stay parked in the middle of the road.
I do not really like the cockpit FOV in this game. Prefer bumper cam.
DirtyLarry
Member
I usually drive in FPS mode (not sure what the proper term is for a racer, but no hood, etc.) in most driving games, I just find I am most precise when using this view, but DC I prefer cockpit, and I think I finally figured out why and I think you touched on it with your comment about slowing down into a turn you did not even need too.
THE FPS camera is ever so slightly too low to the ground in DC. It makes it every hard to judge turns as it is really hard to see them. Sure perhaps this is the more realistic approach, but I would love if we could have an FPS view where the camera was at the same eye level as Cockpit.
With that said, I find myself switching the camera view up a lot depending on the car, track and event. Which I hardly ever do. To me it actually encourages switching the view and has forced me out of my comfort zone, which is a good thing.
I need to get back to using the wheel though. I picked up the cheap T80 for this game, and clearly it is not a high end wheel, but it still brings such a massive difference over using a controller. Only problem is I am nowhere near as good with the wheel as I am with the controller. Need to fix this ASAP.
The AI is aggressive, sure, but these are pretty narrow roads and there are a lot of cars on the road so it's to be expected that they can't drive all nicely without any collisions or contact, especially when the player is sometimes driving aggressively & somewhat illogically himself. I find it fun that they are aggressive because I am pretty aggressive towards the AI drivers as well, so it's just fair that they fuck up my races from time to time when I've been a huge pain in their ass earlier.
And I personally brake a lot later than the AI, which causes another kind of problem (I'm often crashing into AI cars from behind), but one that is more easily avoidable (I'll just try to pick my driving lines in a way that even though I brake later, I won't bump into the AI cars).
AI avoiding a static car is a very different thing
I think that's a conscious decision to make all views comparable. If all the first person views, hood, dash, etc all have rain as a detriment to vision then the other cams need to as well to keep it comparable especially for online. If one view had no vision impairments they would have a huge advantage over all the others.
Okay, good. I only did a few runs last night. One with the Mono BAC and another with the one of the new faster cars. I wasn't sure if it was the same or not (didn't feel significant).
IAmRandom31
Banned
WOW
Lighting bolt even if it doesn't look like real heavy clouds are above, thats truly Dynamic weather. Causing the explosion too. That 2nd gif is just ridiculous. Thats atmosphere.
My footage from yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJNcb46hhU&list=UUTmPlK2amC3c83_1efXAbCw
India and (New Track?)
Heavy Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJNcb46hhU&list=UUTmPlK2amC3c83_1efXAbCw
India and (New Track?)
Heavy Rain
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This is still the best showcase of the weather I've seen yet. That that car in that weather is just brutal, balls to the wall action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGcsT3kTCSs&feature=youtu.be
You show that to any car fan and they'll likely start foaming at the mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGcsT3kTCSs&feature=youtu.be
You show that to any car fan and they'll likely start foaming at the mouth.
Neuromancer
Member
I don't know what I like more, playing the game or looking at other people's gifs.
He shows them avoiding a moving car as well. Again, the AI IS good and they've managed to make them relatively humanlike in their mistakes. Just like the guy says in the video, any bigger mistakes with the AI drivers is more likely to be the cause of the player driving in ways that would simply make it impossible for even the bestestest AI to avoid the player with any kind of decent success than the AI actually sucking.
Yes, the ones where it's realistic.
You can see some snow in the heights of the new Canadian track (Sinclair Pass).
It's a mountain pass, so likely to get some snow falls, even in summer time, contrary to the other Canada tracks that are located down in the valleys and plain areas.
What would be really neat for an eventual DC sequel would be to let us select our time of year on every location.
IAmRandom31
Banned
The AI is aggressive, sure, but these are pretty narrow roads and there are a lot of cars on the road so it's to be expected that they can't drive all nicely without any collisions or contact, especially when the player is sometimes driving aggressively & somewhat illogically himself. I find it fun that they are aggressive because I am pretty aggressive towards the AI drivers as well, so it's just fair that they fuck up my races from time to time when I've been a huge pain in their ass earlier.
And I personally brake a lot later than the AI, which causes another kind of problem (I'm often crashing into AI cars from behind), but one that is more easily avoidable (I'll just try to pick my driving lines in a way that even though I brake later, I won't bump into the AI cars).
Pretty much my feeling. And when the AI brake too early/too much I'm like "Damn it, you are too slow", and try to cut a bit in the corner. Some other corner I do a little drift with the rear of the car, just to poke them out.
It just show that there is no rubber banding in the game and that the AI can recalculate a line to avoid you. As I said, they do avoid you when overtaking on straight line.
The problem is that sometimes, because of the physic and/or of the driver's behaviour, well, there is no solution but ramming.
SymbiantXenos
Member
Betta Lines
Member
Press X to chase 'em
It's firmly straddling the line between arcade and sim, and there in lies the juxtaposition.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
I didn't even like racers I bought this day 1 purely because of its looks. Now I'm level 41, completed ever star in the original tour and still loving it months after release. I'd recommend you pick it up
Burnout 2 (so not 3...) was my fav racer of all time, now DC is.