No, I'd think he was making a great choice to go wherever the best trainers he could find are. It'd be a great idea to go train at Silva's or GSP's camp if they'd let him. Why would I fault him for actually putting in the work to try not to be an embarrassment to himself, UFC, and MMA in general? NO pro fighter says, "Nah, I'm not going to travel". If they do, they aren't going anywhere and are going to have a short career.
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No, I'd think he was making a great choice to go wherever the best trainers he could find are. It'd be a great idea to go train at Silva's or GSP's camp if they'd let him. Why would I fault him for actually putting in the work to try not to be an embarrassment to himself, UFC, and MMA in general? NO pro fighter says, "Nah, I'm not going to travel". If they do, they aren't going anywhere and are going to have a short career.
So he is top tier talent who should train just like the rest of the top tier talent?
He's an amateur who should train with the best he possibly can. It's the best thing that can happen for everyone involved. Best for Punk, which means he has less of a chance of embarrassing himself, his opponent, UFC, and MMA in general. You're putting words into my mouth yet I'M the one with the "agenda"?
He's being treated like top-tier because he's getting a PPV in the UFC. If he wants to train like a scrub, let him fight
If he finds a great camp in Boston, then bully for him, but if he knows there's a better camp for him somewhere else, and he doesn't go, then he's treating the UFC like a fantasy-camp instead of a serious undertaking.
You just reason in whatever direction you need to to make sure he's an asshole. He's not a fighter and has never been in a ring, but he needs to train like the best in the world otherwise he's a cocky, whining, unappreciative dick. Getting together a team of good trainers in a way and in a place that allows him to train as much as possible is only something an entitled, spoiled brat would do. He's a guy with no experience looking to start a career in another sport, and unless he only assumes he belongs in the ways you think he should assume he belongs, he's a terrible person.
You haven't reasoned into this so I doubt I'll reason you out of it.
My reasoning is pretty clear. It's reasoning that other people have as well. Dr. Acula's post about him treating it like fantasy camp is it in a nut shell. Top fighters don't get camps moving to them. Yet Punk, an amateur getting a once in a life time chance, thinks that is what is going to happen for him and isn't willing to travel other wise. He's already not taking seriously something people work for years to get a CHANCE at, while bitching about respect. I don't know if you're a mark for him and blinded or what, but he's a hypocrite. About...well, just about everything.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Coach ‏@CMPunk 38 seconds ago
I would rather choke on greatness than nibble on mediocrity. Thanks for the time @FOXSportsLive @ufc
I would rather choke on greatness than nibble on mediocrity. Thanks for the time @FOXSportsLive @ufc
It's a show business fellas.
Dem 2.3 million Twitter followers can't lie. The demand is there and the UFC is rumored to be having one of its worst years revenue wise.
They needed a major signing to draw PPV buys. Brock in the UFC was a huge success financially for the company, so they're hoping CM Punk brings back those WWE fans.
Dem 2.3 million Twitter followers can't lie. The demand is there and the UFC is rumored to be having one of its worst years revenue wise.
They needed a major signing to draw PPV buys. Brock in the UFC was a huge success financially for the company, so they're hoping CM Punk brings back those WWE fans.
So he has no experience, but can only be trained by the best. This is a position you feel makes sense.
You just want to hate the guy, and it's sad to see you contort logic to do it.
An extremely high profile amateur with an exceptional amount of money, especially for an amateur fighter. There is no excuse for him not to train with the best besides laziness. You talk about me conforming everything to some crazy agenda, but you're putting words into my mouth and then getting mad about them.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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TBF CM Punk lives in the third biggest city in America. I'm sure there are some really good MMA places in Chicago to train.
Also - Correct me if I'm wrong but Brock never left home did he? Didn't he train at his house in Minnesota like he was in a Rocky IV montage?
Also - Correct me if I'm wrong but Brock never left home did he? Didn't he train at his house in Minnesota like he was in a Rocky IV montage?
Unless he would get more training time with people fully capable of teaching him at the level he's at by going to a facility in his home state. Again though, this would only ever be done by an egotistical, entitled, lazy prima donna because reasons. You take every opportunity to remind everyone he's never fought before, but then the expectation is he trains with those who train the people who have been professional for years. Why would these trainers waste their time on someone who we're assured can do nothing but fail? I'm sure they'd rather he train with all of the teams offering to train him. I mean, unless they operate close to him. He can only pick ones far away, regardless of what would be best for him, or else he's just lazy.
Why WOULDN'T they want to train him? He's the most high profile fighter they've had in 3 years before he's even had a fight announced. Any camp training him to a victory is a huge boon for them. You're still getting mad about things you made up that I said. I didn't once say that he'd be a cocky entitled prick to train with the best. To NOT train with the best because he doesn't want to travel is what makes him a cocky, entitled prick. Thinking that he'll be okay to fight without the best training. That's what I'm talking about. Multiple times.
I don't know what your agenda is with me, but it's weird. Get mad at what I type out, not what you imagine I'm thinking as I type it out.
He started at the Minnesota Martial Arts Academy (public gym anyone can sign up to), and then after becoming champ he founded his private gym (now defunct) called Team Death Clutch which hosted mostly Heavyweights.
You're saying if he doesn't train with the best trainers in the world, he's doing it all wrong because he sucks. Why does someone with no experience require the best trainers in the world? Why can he not take the offers coming to him from other MMA trainers if they happen to be somewhere near him? How did any of these other fighters manage to make careers without starting with the best trainers? You're placing whatever arbitrary, weird requirements on him you need to to maintain that he's an asshole. And I am willing to bet that if he started this off wanting to train with whatever team was the best, the screams would be just as loud for "how dare he demand they drop everything to hold his hand while he pouts in the gym about respect?!" You started with the conclusion he's an asshole and now you're just backfilling. It's clear because nothing you're arguing makes sense otherwise.
I really don't get why the idea of "training like the best" is a mistake for anyone. That having "the best" coaches would somehow result in him performing more poorly than going to the BJJ school at the mall or something.
He's going to be on a UFC PPV. He has millions of dollars. If he doesn't get into one of the top-10 camps in the world he's an idiot.
Ok, top 10 now. Can he not do that in his home state?
No. Almost all of the top camps are on or near the west coast. At best he could go with American Top Team in Indianapolis or Roufusport in Milwaukee. Which would still include traveling.
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Anyone else been watching UFC fights since this news broke?
UFC have full length fights up on their Youtube channel which is sweet!
UFC have full length fights up on their Youtube channel which is sweet!
I'm such a sheep
Nah. I'll pay for the Punk fight event, at watch he 98% likely chance his skull gets caved in and then probably never watch again. 2% chance he wins convincingly, I mark and watch the next event with Punk.
TommyTosser
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Fair enough. I'm fed up with WWE at the moment. Fed up of seeing how many different ways they can put Cena, Rollins and Kane in the main event for Raw.
UFC is fairly entertaining though i don't know who anyone is or if they're good.
Seeing brock get squashed in the first round again some english guy was so weird to look at.
He's dutch. Assuming you're talking about Overeem? Dude is a beast striker and was roided to the gills. He was the K-1 Champion, Dream champion and Strikeforce champion. Brock was way outmatched. Both can't take a punch to save their life though so if Brock popped him just once on the chin, he would've probably ended up face down on the mat.
I was actually pretty surprised that he got past Mir the 2nd time.
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The rolling stone interview was solid. He knows what he needs to work on and hopes people underestimate him. Can't say he doesn't take chances in life.
There's a comment in there about if the Blackhawks came to him one night and said were going to put you in goal that he would do it because why not and he's not going to not do something because someone on Twitter doesn't like it.
He truly gives no fucks and he is doing what he wants to do. For that I hope he succeeds.
There's a comment in there about if the Blackhawks came to him one night and said were going to put you in goal that he would do it because why not and he's not going to not do something because someone on Twitter doesn't like it.
He truly gives no fucks and he is doing what he wants to do. For that I hope he succeeds.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...-wwe-and-getting-punched-in-the-face-20141210
Sorry if already posted.
Sorry if already posted.
RandyBobandy
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He'll still probably get the shit beat out of him, but fuck it, he's doing what he really wants to do so fair play to him.
Christberg
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The way I figure it, the guy wants to spend time with his wife on her days off without jumping through ridiculous hoops to do it if possible, and still get in 16 hours a day of training most days. I don't see a problem with that.
Punk needs a license to fight? Well good luck getting one I guess.
According to the report, top officials from the New Jersey and Nevada state athletic commissions have concerns licensing someone with no fighting experience.
“We would really have to look at this very closely,” New Jersey athletic commission head Larry Hazzard said. “We would have to take a close look at it. Normally, we require some type of background as either an amateur or a professional. This would certainly raise a red flag.”
According to the report, top officials from the New Jersey and Nevada state athletic commissions have concerns licensing someone with no fighting experience.
“We would really have to look at this very closely,” New Jersey athletic commission head Larry Hazzard said. “We would have to take a close look at it. Normally, we require some type of background as either an amateur or a professional. This would certainly raise a red flag.”
Guess he's making his debut in Europe/Asia!
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Didn't wrestlers used to need to get approved by the athletic commission until vince admitted it was fake to circumvent that? They shouldn't have a problem approving a wrestler then.
Sato Koiji
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Problem with this is that MMA is really unforgiving. Doing what a man wants to do is cool and all...but he could get popped really really badly.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
He does that.
OpinionatedCyborg
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They licensed Dana White to box Tito Ortiz. If there's one organization as scummy as MMA organizations, it's the athletic commisions.
Remember when Overeem went before them? After answering their questions, this was basically their reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDDCeoVMwKQ
I don't understand this sentiment. Punk has his personal priorities and if, for instance, being around his friends and family at home means more to him than going away somewhere for months to train with the best than that's his prerogative. How does that make him a cocky, entitled prick? No one aside from Punk and people close to him know how much this UFC stuff means to him. Maybe he is just doing it to get it out of his system. So his personal goal is to make some news by doing this and keep his name in the media while exploring other career options. We don't know. Only he truly knows. So just sit back and relax and let him do his thing.
Biggu Bosu
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Is he implying that WWE was 'mediocrity'?
Why, a fighter who is upset that some part timer publicity stunt is coming in getting a shot he doesn't deserve and making more money than the regular fighters? I wonder what his agenda is.
after looking at that crowd slap gif punk is old and reacts too slow!
he lacks training and doesn't like to take a slap, reacts from emotion rather than technique
i thought he was a tough guy, now it seems he doesn't even know how to punch!
he needed to be on plane a year ago to live right next door to a top 3 camp to get that work in asap to have even a clue what goes on in the ring.
he is gonna get kicked in the knee, stumble and throw air strikes then get knocked down from strikes and tap!
whats crazy is there are some other mid level ufc fighters that like to be buddy buddy with lackluster talent in their local gyms rather than putting the work in with top coaches. some can coast but you see the evolution elsewhere, punk is gonna go down
he lacks training and doesn't like to take a slap, reacts from emotion rather than technique
i thought he was a tough guy, now it seems he doesn't even know how to punch!
he needed to be on plane a year ago to live right next door to a top 3 camp to get that work in asap to have even a clue what goes on in the ring.
he is gonna get kicked in the knee, stumble and throw air strikes then get knocked down from strikes and tap!
whats crazy is there are some other mid level ufc fighters that like to be buddy buddy with lackluster talent in their local gyms rather than putting the work in with top coaches. some can coast but you see the evolution elsewhere, punk is gonna go down
Probably his career with them.
That OTR interview was great. Dude has been doing the press circuit for less than a month and is already frazzled the second someone makes fun of wrestling or how bad of an idea this is for him. Especially funny to me is that he was grumpy about the dude acting differently off camera, when that's been part of Punk's job for 12 years.
Also, it's not about the money, but, "I'd fight Anderson Silva tomorrow if they paid me the right amount".
Also, it's not about the money, but, "I'd fight Anderson Silva tomorrow if they paid me the right amount".
That was one of Brocks biggest downfalls. He had his own gym with his own rules. He was too comfortable and controlling there. There is interviews with fighters saying when you spar with Brock you can't go hard or even hit him in the head.
abstract alien
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I feel like that should be accompanied with ted dibiase's laugh. Everyone's gotta price.
Hypocrisy eh?
Killing_Joke
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Seems like some people are taking this a tad too serious. Unknown fighters come and go, nobody panics. One little millionaire wrestler signs on and everybody loses their mind!
Its not going to kill ufc, it's not going to save it. Is it disrespecting the sport? Who knows. He's clearly taking it pretty seriously. I also don't see how wanting to do local training makes him an entitled prick. He literally just did 10+ years of non stop traveling across the world. Hell, one year is probably more than everyone in this thread combined.
I honestly don't see him having major success at ufc. But I'm not going to hate the dude just because he has the resources to do whatever the fuck he wants.
Its not going to kill ufc, it's not going to save it. Is it disrespecting the sport? Who knows. He's clearly taking it pretty seriously. I also don't see how wanting to do local training makes him an entitled prick. He literally just did 10+ years of non stop traveling across the world. Hell, one year is probably more than everyone in this thread combined.
I honestly don't see him having major success at ufc. But I'm not going to hate the dude just because he has the resources to do whatever the fuck he wants.
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