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IGN: Nathan Drake will use identical model in cutscene and gameplay.
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FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Call Elena? Seems like the demo we saw wasn't a "flashback" before the U1 timeline, but "current" to the timelines of U1-U3, either after U3 or somewhere between U1-U3 (a flashback).
Is his brother the villain or not given this fact? ..... possibly a flashback between U1 and U2 timeline?
Rhode Island Pirates - Thomas Tew comes up but the portrait do not resemble him. Dude looks more like Sir Francis than Tew... though that's Tew's logo right there on a quick google search. Tew: creator of the "pirate route".
".....Island of emptyness and treasures of mere tales of oriental hyperbole. But he's vexed with fear. I will pursue this remnant of Captain's Avery fortune alone if I must" - note from the corpse.
1. Henry Every aka "Avery" would once raid and command Tew on a raid. Tew was killed in this very raid - Mughal raid.
2. Avery's raid of the Mughal fleet was the most profitable in history.
3. Speculation says he retired on a Caribbean island or Britain*.... with his loot? and had trouble laundering his loot to currency.
*Devon- Britain. Highly unlikely he carried majority of his loot there + the ransom on his head?
4. "Didn't he die in the attack with Avery?" Possibly a question regarding Tew? Amity was the name of Tew's ship and that's shown in Drake's Journal.
5. Speculation says Tew is one of the founders of Libertatia, pirate-safe heaven and colony east of Madagascar.
6. Definitely the island is near/close/at Madagascar like in the teaser trailer. Island name is St Mary FOUNDED by Adam Baldridge (a pirate), ALSO on Nate's journal.
7. Teaser says "Every betrayed us all"... weird, Avery left the colony to rot? or after the Mughal raid a lot of ships washed ashore w/ loot etc but no way of getting out? Maybe Avery took the loot to that island, had some crew keep watch over it, sailed to find some ways of exchanging it but never came back? Hence the betrayal?
8. Seems the villain is Drake's brother - when voice says in teaser " but some chains can never be broken" referring to a brotherhood bond? Drake's brother?...later follows..."you owe me" - as if Drake left him for dead? Is the 15-min demo the start of the retelling of this very event?
- Of note, I liked the teaser voice....had more punch than Troy Baker....
9. It leads to believe Drake and his brother are after Avery's loot. The 15-mic demo is the retelling of Drake leaving his brother rotting in the island? Why? Drake's discontent about his brother is noticeable in his voice when he says "Oh Hey, has anyone come by here? Tall, lanky, full of big, stupid ideas of pirate treasure? Plus when Drake and his brother Sam meet, Drake's sight of relief " Sam, you're OK"...
10. Going back to Avery's betrayal: The loot is perhaps the remnants of the loot/ships that washed ashore and amassed at St Mary island from the Maghal raid? Or were these pirates "betrayed" by Avery in the sense that Avery told them to keep some/majority of the loot while he found a way to get it exchanged, sailed and never came back for them? Perhaps? The fact that the English Crown had a big ransom for Avery's head nullified some of his movement and ability to get around - perhaps why Avery was never able to come back for them or make major moves considering the loot involved?
Should visit ND forums these days
Edit #505: Well I be dammned. So I searched for Mayes (Nate's journal "Mayes wants?") and got the most interesting clue to reveal the connection between Tew, Avery, Baldridge, St. Mary and the supposed "betrayal".
Thanks to this link: http://piratesofne.com/William%20Mayes%20Jr..pdf
"Again records get murky until July 1695 when Mayes, Tew and Every work together to plunder the Gunsway.
Unfortunately for Mayes, Every made off with the loot by slipping his anchor chain in the middle of the night.
Mayes stayed in the Indian Ocean until early 1696. He loot ed at least three more of the Moguls pilgrim ships
before sailing for New York with approximately 200,000 pound sterling in loot; his own share worth about
7,000 pound. Rumors say he spent time going back and forth from New York and Newport trading pirated
wares for English goods, then sailing to St. Marys to trade with the pirates."
We should make an official thread for Uncharted 4 story. I am willing to make one (properly).... (unless I am unaware of previous talks and finding on Gaf).
Q
qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Thank GOD. I don't know how I'd play the game if this wasn't the case.
This is seriously some sorcery right here. Nate's hand is undeniably the best looking hand in video games.
Also, LOL @ at a few previous posts about the Gamersyde version being the way to fully appreciate the graphics. I said so myself earlier today but it's nice to see some people actually watching it instead of the crappy Youtube video. I'm pretty sure all those people screaming downgrade have been watching the heavily compressed stream or just love drive by trolling
BTW, where is DragonFart28 to prove that there was a massive downgrade? Seems to have admitted defeat.
lukeskymac
Member
Hair, eyes, mouth, scar, no crows feet, and he looks fatter
Hair - Literally just the AA
Eyes - Actually look better in the demo
Scar - That's it. You're trolling. The scar isn't there because Drake hasn't got it yet
No crows feet - Ever heard of squinting your eyes?
Fatter - Literally a change in pose and nothing else. Also has nothing to do with "detail"
Yes, the shading artist mentioned it in the PSX talk.
which one? did he went into it or was it just a mention?
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
The main one that is being linked all the time in this thread.
And yes, they went into detail on it.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I really wish ND didn't bullshit around with that E3 trailer.
The PSX footage is so far behind it isn't even funny.
It simply raised my hopes unnecessarily. Honestly, I wasn't at all impressed with the PSX footage visuals. Bloodborne looks more impressive to me, at least visually.
But I'm sure the final game will look top notch but holy shit - the difference is staggering.
Why are you quoting this?
Please do yourself a favor and watch atleast the high quality video on gamersyde.
The Picture you quoted is nothing what the game actually looks like. Even in this thread there are tons of picture which show that the gameplay isn't that much different from the original reveal. And the quality of the cutscenes in the gameplay demo and E3 looks actually the same.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Because it shows how much of a difference exists between the two builds.
I've seen the Gamersyde footage and I wasn't wowed personally. I'd be interested to see how it compares to Uncharted 2/3 or even TLOU. It didn't look that much better to me; I expected a 'true generational leap' with Uncharted 4 but I personally don't see it.
The PSX gameplay was a different time of day and didn't have such high specular on Drake, otherwise the footage from the E3 trailer is perfectly valid.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Lighting, shadowing, DOF, and detail looks vastly superior in the E3 footage.
Jacksinthe
Banned
You have to admire this guy's persistence to talk without ever actually extrapolating his position. I'm dying to hear about the differences, outside of shaders and lighting. Yet, all I get is this.Hair, eyes, mouth, scar, no crows feet, and he looks fatter
You would do better to explain the differences instead of just randomly naming body parts. WHAT, exactly, is different about them and HOW?
I don't know dude. Everything you just listed is explained by his statement :/
dragonfart28
Banned
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because it was so jarring a difference to me that I do not believe it was a change in lighting or the other reasons you've given.
Also, this is the second time I have been unfairly accused of trolling when I am simply pointing out the graphical difference I've noticed from the two videos.
dragonfart28
Banned
This is a silly question as I am not an expert on tech or anything, but I see nothing wrong with pointing out certain features.
What would lead to more detail from a technical standpoint?
More polygons?
A higher resolution?
Better AA?
I dunno. All of the above?
I would think it would be suffice just to post pictures from both clips and anyone could take a look and decide for themselves, isn't it?
lukeskymac
Member
Both are 1080p and no one can point out geometry differences. The only difference out of those three is AA, and it's literally the one thing from that list that doesn't involve detail.
How can you tell when the ToD is not the same? See this post.
E3 was a cutscene. PSX's cutscene with Drake's bro has DoF, so I don't know what you're talking about
Again, elaborate.
dragonfart28
Banned
Well I am not sure if that's true because there appears to be a significant difference in detail - both with Drake's model and the environment.
If we are going with geometry (as far as I could understand such a concept), his face appears to have a much higher quality in the E3 reveal, whereas the impression I got from the PSX demo was that it looks on par with other games from this generation.
I am sure I cannot be the only one who has this impression, which really is the focal point.
I mean, we can talk about technical jargon until we are blue in the face, but what is important is the general impression someone has when presented with both videos.
Maybe there is some visual trickery, like time of day, but I cannot imagine it would equate to such a difference in appearance.
lukeskymac
Member
Then point it out.
Comparing cutscene to cutscene, there are no differences in DoF, Geometry, Textures, and possibly even AA. It's all down to ToD and the shaders used.
Now, if you want to keep comparing apples to oranges...
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
I've seen the gamersyde video, and even then it's not all that impressive. There are just better looking games than Uncharted 4 on both consoles. I mean have people forgotten about Killzone? It looks considerably better than Uncharted 4.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
I have full faith in Naughty Dog doing what Evolution did when the weather patch hit Driveclub and make a lot of the doubters eat some crow. Most people were saying that the weather looked too good with all the realistic lighting going on as well and would get downgraded, it hit and sales of the game rocketed, it was as good as what they showed with no noticeable downgrade and STILL a rock solid framerate.
Yeah, Killzone looks fantastic. I was more talking about the characters (it isn't very obvious from my statement). And the characters do look significantly better than Killzone's imo. Speaking of the environment Killzone could look better than UC4, but I can't remember too well right now but that might probably be true. And it is always easier to make incredible looking environments without too much foliage, but the density of the foliage in the gameplay still impressed me a lot personally.
I don't think hiding the url to said banned site was what people had in mind when giving you advice...
lukeskymac
Member
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Killzone looks amazing. As do other games on both systems.
They don't touch UC4 though. It's not even close.
Is this a joke?
Currently, no game out on any console looks better than Uncharted 4 (Art style preferences aside, of course).
Dictator93
Member
Play some more FPS games or games with good graphics, this sounds absurd.
Oh, there you are. Decided to post when I wasn't around, eh? And here you go with your trolling again(which you are NOT unfairly accused of). Have you by any chance watched the Gamersyde video? If you have, you are really persistent in convincing others there is a major downgrade when there isn't. If not, you are wasting your time and effort. You yourself admitted you know little of tech and you still debate with others with more knowledge? Good luck with that
Ok, you are trying way too hard...
Well, it is my opinion, so it may sound absurd to you. How about you post a photo of hands in video games you think look better?
dragonfart28
Banned
I don't know why you are so hostile about a simple opinion. I already said the game looks great, so I'm not sure how that makes me a troll either.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
There must be some of that wrapping around the eyes rather than just the face. Or cocaineisonehellofadrug.gif
I don't have to be hostile at all if you stated these "differences" you claim you see. And don't give me a repeat of the "eyes, mouth, scar and fatter" crap which has nothing to do with graphics. If that's not trolling, I don't know what is. If you want a serious debate, list down the significant differences you see. But your previous posts have proven you can't really tell the differences. You claimed higher resolution earlier, but both builds are running at 1080p. If you think the difference lies in geometry, list it.
Jacksinthe
Banned
So you're saying you cannot accurately explain the differences you see, but you see them, yet you would prefer running around in circles citing "because" as your reason instead if a detailed response.
Got it.
We are looking at geometry and see no blatant discrepancies as you claim to see. Shaders, lighting, etc - yes. Higher resolution? 1080p for both. More polygons? I don't see a discrepancy. Better AA? Hard to tell without native uncompressed, uncorrected shots.
But hey - you'd rather waste everyone's time than contribute to the thread. I get it. Explaining your position via explicit language is rough, I suppose.
Thank you, dude. This is what I am also arguing with him about. He can't see differences but he insists there are major differences anyway.
Primethius
Banned
Saying there are other games on both systems that look as good or better seems far fetched at best. The only games that come close/look better (pick whichever one you prefer) are The Order: 1886 and Ryse.
Dictator93
Member
Metro games (tesselated geometry)
Far Cry 3 and 4:
Thief 2014:
Heck even games like Doom 3 have really nice hand models... This game attracts all sort of hyperbole that seems to forget that other games and devs also have competent tech and art.
I always thought the Metro games are one of best looking games in the market and never understood why people downplayed the graphics. So, I'll admit that hand looks as good as Drake's hand. But Far Cry 3 and Thief? Are you serious with those two? Ain't sure about Far Cry 4 but I'm confident the hands look better than its predecessor.
Dictator93
Member
Thief 2014 has very highly detailed hands atually. And Far Cry4s shading is better on the hand model.. but you are pretty much always wearing full gloves... so it is hard to show.
lukeskymac
Member
For someone that's supposedly in this thread to contain hyperbole, you're stating a big one as well when you suggest any of those are close to UC4's.
Dictator93
Member
Considering they ona technical level have textures and shaders which are basically the same (2K maps and some rudimentary sub surface scattering).. it is absurd t conclude that UC4s are that much better. It is not hyperbolic...