Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows

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-Deimos said:
Speaking of Justice League, I'm rewatching it now. Just started Unlimited and I totally forgot how epic the intro is.
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Justice League's is unnecessarily epic. Amazing, but unnecessary. Unlimited is perfect. Honestly, combined they're my favorite comic show of all time. Although Young Justice is damn close.

Kinvara said:
Good write up.

*thumbs up*
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Prof. Bathtub said:
My sentiments as well.
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Appreciate it.

I'm fairly new, but I've lurked for awhile (wasn't able to post due to lack of account), but I've always felt like this group had solid discussions. A bit hyper critical, but never overly negative, like a lot of posters seem to just pop in and say, then leave and not come back. Drive-by postings, I believe is what they're referred to.

The one major complaint I'm not getting from some people, though is the lack of addressing her past lives. I'm not sure how any of you can think they even still exist. Raava got exploded and then reassembled. She was the reason those lives got carried from person to person and then she got destroyed: Those lives are gone. The beginning of Book 3 had Korra attempting to contact them, and it had even been implied that she had been trying for awhile. I mean, how much time was there between the end of Book 2 and the beginning of Book 3? A month? Two months? A few weeks? That's quite a bit of trying, assuming she attempted every day. A major point of Books 3 and 4 seemed to be that Korra was a new beginning. Hell, Book 2's finale implied that same sentiment just in Korra's closing speech about the portals. It always seemed clear to me that those lives were not coming back.
 
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TacticalFox88 said:
I'm having a discussion with my friends on the phone and they're seriously trying to tell me Korra's character arc is superior to Zuko's.

I fucking can't.
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I can see where their coming from. Korra has had a fantastic character arch. Personally I like The last Airbender and The Legend of Korra equally. Both show had things they they did better then the other.

I think Korra was the more interesting Avatar but Aang had a better supporting cast.
 
BKatastrophe said:
The one major complaint I'm not getting from some people, though is the lack of addressing her past lives. I'm not sure how any of you can think they even still exist. Raava got exploded and then reassembled. She was the reason those lives got carried from person to person and then she got destroyed: Those lives are gone. The beginning of Book 3 had Korra attempting to contact them, and it had even been implied that she had been trying for awhile. I mean, how much time was there between the end of Book 2 and the beginning of Book 3? A month? Two months? A few weeks? That's quite a bit of trying, assuming she attempted every day. A major point of Books 3 and 4 seemed to be that Korra was a new beginning. Hell, Book 2's finale implied that same sentiment just in Korra's closing speech about the portals. It always seemed clear to me that those lives were not coming back.
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Why wouldn't they exist? They were only cut off from Raava. They would just be in the spirit world. Book 2 and Book 3 have a two week gap and Korra isn't the greatest spiritual medium. People wanted it addressed because getting rid of them permanently was pointless for her character and just an excuse to continue writing her as alone. It was a waste for her and the franchise as she had only interacted with her past lives all of three times in the entire series and one of the most unique aspects of the Avatar character is the whole idea of being part of this grand legacy and being able to contact the predecessors.

The whole idea of a new beginning would be pretty compelling if she had interacted with them more. But she didn't, and then we had two more seasons to look forward to. So people thinking or wanting her to reconnect doesn't seem that outlandish at all.
 
What a crap finale. Shipping in the midst of battle is so damn awful. The whole Varrick Zhi Li is cringe worthy.

I will never understand why Mako does not use lightning against metal benders. Metal is a good conductor to electricity and the battle would be over in one zap.

I can´t believe that they went with Korrasami lol. Not bad.

Kuvira and her motivation are both shitty. That was so bad. The ending for the third season should have been the ending of the series. Blah blah i see the error of my ways now!!!! WTF?
 
Hm so apparently according to the storyboarder, Will Ruzicka, the holding hands and looking at each other with Asami and Korra wasn't in the animatic for the finale.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
Same. I always found Korra to be more interesting than Aang.
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Honestly it was like Korra and Aang had their missions switched. Korra would have wreaked Ozi's shit but I think Aang was more suited to deal with Korra challenges. Fortunately they both rose to the occasion to deal with their respective missions.
 
Wanderer5 said:
Hm so apparently according to the storyboarder, Will Ruzicka, the holding hands and looking at each other with Asami and Korra wasn't in the animatic for the finale.
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At least to me, the question of the day is WHO made that change? Who added in the holding hands scene? Will be interesting to find out in a behind the scenes clip...
 
googleplex said:
Honestly it was like Korra and Aang had their missions switched. Korra would have wreaked Ozi's shit but I think Aang was more suited to deal with Korra challenges. Fortunately they both rose to the occasion to deal with their respective missions.
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I wouldn't be so sure.

Korra never performed any of the feats that Aang did when he started curb stomping Ozai to hell and back.
 
WrenchNinja said:
Why wouldn't they exist? They were only cut off from Raava. They would just be in the spirit world. Book 2 and Book 3 have a two week gap and Korra isn't the greatest spiritual medium. People wanted it addressed because getting rid of them permanently was pointless for her character and just an excuse to continue writing her as alone. It was a waste for her and the franchise as she had only interacted with her past lives all of three times in the entire series and one of the most unique aspects of the Avatar character is the whole idea of being part of this grand legacy and being able to contact the predecessors.

The whole idea of a new beginning would be pretty compelling if she had interacted with them more. But she didn't, and then we had two more seasons to look forward to. So people thinking or wanting her to reconnect doesn't seem that outlandish at all.
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It clearly wasn't pointless if it had an intent. The intent was to have Korra alone and as a new beginning. She had to stop and think on her own now. Yes, they should have shown her going to those lives more, I don't disagree, but there was clearly a point to what they did, even if it was just for her character and not so much for a central plot point.

I always took it that they resided within Raava. Kind of the whole point of the reincarnation bit, no? You are your past lives? Or is that some vast misinterpretation I'm having? I look at it like a jar of water. It falls on the ground and water spills out. Maybe it breaks, and if it does, let's say you fix it. The water that spilled out is gone and you can't get it back. Maybe if Korra had gotten away from Unavaatu before he destroyed Raava, I'm sure she would have retained some of them. Plus, there's nothing to say that those lives are in the Spirit World and can be communicated with thusly. I don't recall seeing any of them on any of the times we went there for the story and I don't recall anyone mentioning that they were there.
 
I guess... For me the reason I am not a fan of Korrasami because in a way it's everything wrong with this
show. Let me explain, basically since Season 1 the Legend of Korra has been plagued with issues, these
only got worse in Season 2 when character arcs reverted back. In Season 1 we had a love triangle
between Korra, Mako, and Asami, then we had Bolin who had feelings for Korra. Then we had
Season 2 with the breakup, briefly Asami and Mako getting back- GAH. Just really terrible romance stuff.

If the ultimate goal of the entire show was to Korrasami, fine. I accept that. But it's just indictivie of
how much Nick screwed over the writers in the first couple of seasons since it was all over the place. Korrasami
just makes looking back at Season 1 and 2 like: "What was the point if this was the end game?" Also what the point of hinting
at Makorra stuff in season 4 if it was just a fake out?

Just... I like Korra, but it just seems like compared to TLA, there's just a seeming lack of overall planning. I know
that Nick dicked around with them but instead of just retconing and forcing things to happen they should have
just worked with what they had... Instead of having a season 2 situation where Korra seemingly lost character development at the start of the season...

Pains me to imagine what the show would have been like if it had 3 24 (22?) episodes seasons like the original.
 
BKatastrophe said:
It clearly wasn't pointless if it had an intent. The intent was to have Korra alone and as a new beginning. She had to stop and think on her own now. Yes, they should have shown her going to those lives more, I don't disagree, but there was clearly a point to what they did, even if it was just for her character and not so much for a central plot point.

I always took it that they resided within Raava. Kind of the whole point of the reincarnation bit, no? You are your past lives? Or is that some vast misinterpretation I'm having? I look at it like a jar of water. It falls on the ground and water spills out. Maybe it breaks, and if it does, let's say you fix it. The water that spilled out is gone and you can't get it back. Maybe if Korra had gotten away from Unavaatu before he destroyed Raava, I'm sure she would have retained some of them. Plus, there's nothing to say that those lives are in the Spirit World and can be communicated with thusly. I don't recall seeing any of them on any of the times we went there for the story and I don't recall anyone mentioning that they were there.
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It was overall pointless for the series as she was already alone and having to stop and think on her own for most of the series even before the connection was severed. It was just really blatant emotional manipulation as we were just introduced to Wan and playing on our memories of Aang and the others and it just comes off poorly. Having intent is great, but execution matters more.

That's your interpretation but that doesn't fit with the universe established. Aang met his past lives in the spirit world when his connection was severed. The spirits are all doing their own thing. Kuruk for example was still hunting Koh in the Spirit world.
 
Through I like korrasami heh, I think it would have been better if Bolin and Mako ended up joining them for that spirit world trip too, or whatever to end the series with team avatar and their friendship, and just have the korrasami thing when Korra and Asami are sitting looking at the remains of that part of republic city.
 
Just watched it, good finale, but god damn I wish they took care of that fucking robot sooner. I won't lie and say I know what else they could have padded it out with, but they go through like a dozen different plans and it was starting to be a chore. I don't want to be the guy complaining about how Korra didn't hit the plot armor button as soon as she got into the cockpit but come the hell on, just go Avatar state and kick some ass for once. Also really liked that everyone was able to play a role in the fight in a relatively significant way, it's hard to avoid the rest of the characters becoming cheerleaders in the big climactic fight, and this show has been guilty of it before, so I'm glad they did that.

As for the Korrasami thing, well, I'm not too sure about it. I'm not opposed to it at all, in fact I've been calling it since the end of season 2, but just the way they did it left me thinking "Oh, okay, I guess if that's the note you want to leave the entire series on." Like, they have this whole big sentimental (and meta) thing about changing the world and she feels like there's so much more to do and she finally understands her role in helping the world that really had those tears starting to jerk, and then right in the last couple of seconds they just kind of snuck in "lol btw she's a lesbian, have fun tumblr. FADE TO BLACK." As soon as I saw the wedding setting I knew it was actually REALLY going to go down and I was fully prepared for it, I just wish they went about placing when it happened differently. I know it mirrors the ending of TLA, but still.

Edit: I guess I'll just take off my spoilers since we're jut throwing it out there, I firmly believe if you really don't want something spoiled then you should go into a discussion with people who have seen something you haven't anyway.
 
I liked The Legend of Korra overall. Not amazing like it's predecessor, but I felt it was serviceable, even if there are still plenty of loose threads and missed potential here and there.

I enjoyed Zhu-li and Varrick's moments. Zhu-li is actually one of the reasons why I'm kind of bummed that the series had to come to an end. I didn't think too much of her when she was introduced back in season 2, but she quickly became one of my favorite characters this season. So I wish we could have had the chance to see more of her, but I think I'm satisfied with her and Varrick's marriage.

Also thought Meelo was going to fart when saving Tenzin. I expected it and I was ready to groan so hard. But he didn't, and for that I am grateful.

This being a finale and all, I was prepared for characters to start dropping like flies. I saw Sato's death coming, but for a moment I thought Mako was going to sacrifice himself too. I was actually kind of surprised he didn't die. When Korra and Kuvira got shot with the spirit gun, I thought that was it for Korra, and that what ended up being the portal was some sort of symbolic light indicating her death and that her spirit would be taking on a new life. And, honestly, I'm kind of surprised she survived too.

And then there was Korrasami.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I did not see that coming. I did not think for a second that they'd have the balls to actually go there, even if it was the end of the series. I freaked out at that closing scene. I'm still reeling over it, but I've calmed down a bit. And I've noticed some people say that they found it forced. Me? Well...I...actually buy it.

I look back at the series as a whole, and Korra and Asami got along with each other better than they did with Mako and Bolin. Of course, that's more evidence of friendship than anything romantic, but don't most relationships start out that way? At the end of season 3, we see Asami assisting Korra when she was bound to her wheelchair. It could have just as easily been Mako, Bolin, Tenzin, or possibly even Lin or Pema if feminine privacy had to do with her situation. I didn't think much of it at the time, but looking at it now, I feel that the reason it was Asami helping her was because they had more of a bond. And of course there is the fact that Korra only wrote to Asami in the 3 years she was by herself, which has already been brought up.

Could they have alluded to this outcome better? Of course. Even though I can accept it, with admittedly little if not completely ambiguous at best foreshadowing, I still think it would have given the ending scene much more of an impact had they put more hints at their eventual relationship. Hints that are more obvious, while still being subtle. That way, the ending would not only have more credence, but it would still be a shocker because, let's be honest, even they had alluded to it more evenly through the show, we still wouldn't think that they'd ever go through with it. But that is unfortunately one of their many missed opportunities.
Atraveller said:
Mako: Both of my ex girlfriends started going out with each other.
Zuko: That's rough buddy.
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Wanderer5 said:
Through I like korrasami heh, I think it would have been better if Bolin and Mako ended up joining them for that spirit world trip too, or whatever to end the series with team avatar and their friendship, and just have the korrasami thing when Korra and Asami are sitting looking at the remains of that part of republic city.
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You know while I'm also okay with Korrasami. I agree with you, they should have had Team Avatar go into the spirit world would've made for a much kinder ending.

On the other hand, Why do I feel GAF ruined the ending for me XD
 
Finally got to see it, no thanks to Nick .com, and it was incredible. It honestly tops the endings of the original series book 3. I like that
Wuu actually chose to step down and start a democracy, instead of continuing the monarchy. It was actually really fun to see him grow
.

As for the ending,
it's going to cause some controversy for sure, but I'm fine with them being Bi-sexual, and yes, Bi-sexual, neither had any kind of struggle being with Mako, it was Mako with the issue, so maybe he's...?
.

And OMG!
VERICK PROPOSED TO JULIE! THAT ENTIRE SEEN WAS AMAZING! I LOVE THAT JULIE (which I'm probably spelling wrong) SAYS SHE ALWAYS DREAMED THEIR ENGAGEMENT WOULD BE ATTACHING ONE MACHINE TO A GIANT ROBOT! AND HOW HE PROPOSED? WOULD YOU DO THE THING WITH ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! THAT WAS THE BEST LINE EVER!
This entire spoiler is in caps, just warning you.

Also, I didn't see
Bolin and Opal together at the end, maybe there is still hope, in my brain, for Bolin to get back with Eska. Boska forever!
 
tkscz said:
Finally got to see it, no thanks to Nick .com, and it was incredible. It honestly tops the endings of the original series book 3. I like that
Wuu actually chose to step down and start a democracy, instead of continuing the monarchy. It was actually really fun to see him grow
.

As for the ending,
it's going to cause some controversy for sure, but I'm fine with them being Bi-sexual, and yes, Bi-sexual, neither had any kind of struggle being with Mako, it was Mako with the issue, so maybe he's...?
.

And OMG!
VERICK PROPOSED TO JULIE! THAT ENTIRE SEEN WAS AMAZING! I LOVE THAT JULIE (which I'm probably spelling wrong) SAYS SHE ALWAYS DREAMED THEIR ENGAGEMENT WOULD BE ATTACHING ONE MACHINE TO A GIANT ROBOT! AND HOW HE PROPOSED? WOULD YOU DO THE THING WITH ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! THAT WAS THE BEST LINE EVER!
This entire spoiler is in caps, just warning you.

Also, I didn't see
Bolin and Opal together at the end, maybe there is still hope, in my brain, for Bolin to get back with Eska. Boska forever!
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They walk out onto the dance floor together.
 
SpaceCadetKeon said:
And then there was Korrasami.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I did not see that coming. I did not think for a second that they'd have the balls to actually go there, even if it was the end of the series. I freaked out at that closing scene. I'm still reeling over it, but I've calmed down a bit. And I've noticed some people say that they found it forced. Me? Well...I...actually buy it.

I look back at the series as a whole, and Korra and Asami got along with each other better than they did with Mako and Bolin. Of course, that's more evidence of friendship than anything romantic, but don't most relationships start out that way? At the end of season 3, we see Asami assisting Korra when she was bound to her wheelchair. It could have just as easily been Mako, Bolin, Tenzin, or possibly even Lin or Pema if feminine privacy had to do with her situation. I didn't think much of it at the time, but looking at it now, I feel that the reason it was Asami helping her was because they had more of a bond. And of course there is the fact that Korra only wrote to Asami in the 3 years she was by herself, which has already been brought up.
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Thank you for elucidating my thoughts on why Korrasami seems legit in such elegant prose! Works for me!
 
Atraveller said:
Mako: Both of my ex girlfriends started going out with each other.
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Can't help hearing that line in Zuko's voice now...
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brickarts295 said:
You know while I'm also okay with Korrasami. I agree with you, they should have had Team Avatar go into the spirit world would've made for a much kinder ending.

On the other hand, Why do I feel GAF ruined the ending for me XD
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I'd say because both probably would have been good, it was good as is but I also rather like this idea, I would have enjoyed one more last Team Avatar moment to end on, showing how far they'd come and that they were going to spend their off-time together this time, would have made it kind of the opposite of ATLA where they ended on Aang and Katara. That would have seemed like a great note to end on after they had to split up to take on many of their large scale missions.

googleplex said:
I can see where their coming from. Korra has had a fantastic character arch. Personally I like The last Airbender and The Legend of Korra equally. Both show had things they they did better then the other.

I think Korra was the more interesting Avatar but Aang had a better supporting cast.
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Yeah, I think so too.

I really liked both shows a ton.
 
okay final episode, props for making Korrasami canon.

Kuvira ended up being a pretty weak villain, her motivation for conquering the Earth Kingdom and attacking Zaofu/Republic City was rather lacking. Dark Korra would have made for a better end boss - and is still undefeated

my final ranking:
S2 Beginnings and spirit stuff - S1 Amon stuff > S3 > rest of S1 > S4 > rest of S2

well - I guess that's it! Hopefully there will be another, somewhat improved Avatar series in a few years. I could imagine them doing a prequel series set before LoK
 
Well shucks, I loved that ending.

Yeah, loose ends, wanted more, but in the end, I think this was the best ending possible for Book 4 and a great ending for LoK. The Mako-lightning sequence was amazing, the Kuvira vs Korra fight and their moment in the Spirit World.

And Korrasami, holy hell. Haha. Kinda forced, but honestly, better than most of the romance in Book 2 and the rest of the series.

More reactions tomorrow, but I'm glad that was the finale. The only down side is that I feel the series could've been more, gone on longer and better, or yeah, could've been better, but it ended well.

I want those soundtracks NOW!
 
Hold up.

HOLD UP.

It just occurred to me.

You know those so-called "labor camps" that were alluded too?


Why the fuck weren't we shown any of them? The conditions? The psychological toll it took. Were the soldiers supporting it or just following orders?
 
Justice has been served. That was huge and awesome step and I'm proud to be a fan of this show now more than ever because of it.

Even given I got what I want is that the everything this season felt a bit rushed but given the circumstances is that I understand.

Thank You, Legend of Korra for being an awesome experience regardless.

Now an accurate representation of me after that thing happened!

LL
 
The more I think about it, the less I like the ending.
So much left out; like the camps mentioned above, more character resolutions, the state of the world aside from that potential tidbit by Wu, Kuvira's fate and more stuff on Korra's previous turmoil and connection to the past avatars.
I definitely don't blame the creators for any of that, just some musing of what could have been.

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think that this was actually a relationship beyond best friends between Korra and Asami?
Two friends who've been through a lot, running away from it all doesn't seem like a huge stretch. Girls holding hands isn't that big of an indicator, from my experiences.
Not that I'm against the relationship mind you, I just didn't interpret it that way, but everyone seems to be saying it was without a doubt, with hyperbole or not.

I did enjoy the finale overall, even with its shortcomings. It left on a high note, which as an Avatar fan since it began, is all I could want.
 
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