WrenchNinja
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If it's any consolation, I like your interpretation of the past lives better.
Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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I'm in favour of this, but I guess we should wait a while before we do it. The ending for Korra Book 4 is still quite new, obviously.
JadedWriter
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Yeah. Nobody else really has veelk syndrome. At least they're not talking about fucking eggs benedict. Don't worry veelk I'm only joking if you ever see this.
Kinvara....
I just wanted to apologize to you. I 100% did not mean any offense. I actually agree with you. I think Initially, I didn't know how to take the ending with Korrasami. My gut reaction was that, it wasn't written well (mostly because, I had issue with a lot of the writing on this show).
But the more I thought about it, the more I came around to it. Especially in the context of, Bryke having push back from the network.
I'm not just apologizing because opinions varying. More so, because I actually agree with you when it comes to "assumptions" and sexual preference being "fluid". I wasn't trying to argue against these things. It makes me sick, that it comes off that way. I was just trying to argue purely from the perspective of how plot informs people of their perception of characters. Which in itself is outdated.
But, I look back on the things I said, and it wasn't cool. So sorry. I hope you can forgive me.
I just wanted to apologize to you. I 100% did not mean any offense. I actually agree with you. I think Initially, I didn't know how to take the ending with Korrasami. My gut reaction was that, it wasn't written well (mostly because, I had issue with a lot of the writing on this show).
But the more I thought about it, the more I came around to it. Especially in the context of, Bryke having push back from the network.
I'm not just apologizing because opinions varying. More so, because I actually agree with you when it comes to "assumptions" and sexual preference being "fluid". I wasn't trying to argue against these things. It makes me sick, that it comes off that way. I was just trying to argue purely from the perspective of how plot informs people of their perception of characters. Which in itself is outdated.
But, I look back on the things I said, and it wasn't cool. So sorry. I hope you can forgive me.
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Nah, son. Something went wrong in the whole reincarnation deal and the Avatar is just straight evil. The protagonists are every-day benders and have to work to defeat him/her.
Mr Fahrenheit
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I wouldn't worry about it because it actually wasn't implemented well.
SilentMatthew
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All of these worms are gonna be canned and be reopened once the director commentaries for Season 4 hit March 2015.
<3 No offense was taken.
BKatastrophe
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I apologize if I came off as a dick, it's just that I was only really taking the show into consideration and not this game. So I wasn't sure where you were coming from, but now I know. Even the idea of that game upsets me, though. Are we expected to believe Aang had to reconnect in the short timespan from which he died to when Katara revived him? It seems like an off thing. I always appreciate more Koh, though.
JadedWriter said:
Well, it didn't even feel like a WHAM kind of thing. As people have pointed out, there was a build up. It's just that the way it was done, it fell flat for me. I mean, I think the actual event is super cool and awesome, it's just when it happened I felt like "Oh that's a thing. Cool." And I proceeded on my merry way.
But not really
Lol. I know it's just pointless debates. But there is a lot of serious issues with how Hollywood handles gay characters. A lot of discrimination and abuse. And Kinvara was making really important points about how people like to assume things about sexual preference just because of what is the majority. And that's not right.
So while I do think there might be a discussion to be had, about how the writers implemented this relationship (and that in itself is tricky, since we have to take into consideration the possibility of the writing being held back due to censorship)...I don't want people saying the romance isn't possible by making these kind of assumptions, which can be very negative.
*hugs*
Was worried. I really did not mean any offense. Sometimes you get caught up in the BS technical stuff, and you can start to trip over yourself and not see the bigger picture.
Emperor_Uriel
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I feel like Korra's issues can still be summed up using the same criticisms I've had since season 2.
1. The show really needed a central, longterm antagonist. Each season is around 5 hours, way too short to establish villains whose defeat the audience is invested in.
2. Korra herself isn't a compelling character, though she does find herself in compelling scenarios. She lacks significant moments of levity, and comes off as too self-serious to really enjoy as an MC. The show never really gave us an idea of what she does when she's not kicking butt/searching for more butts to kick.
3. Villains aren't complex enough. Every villain starts off in an intriguing grey-area before jumping head-first into crazyland. Unalaq went from Spirit-Rights-Activist to Satan, the Red Lotus went from freedom fighters to nomad beaters and Kuvira went from power-hungry uniter to Hitler.
4. The subplots are a huge mixed bag. The Pro-bending stuff in season 1 was lame, Kai was lame, most romances were lame. The best romance in the show by far was between a greedy madman and the woman he forces to clean his feet.
Agree?
1. The show really needed a central, longterm antagonist. Each season is around 5 hours, way too short to establish villains whose defeat the audience is invested in.
2. Korra herself isn't a compelling character, though she does find herself in compelling scenarios. She lacks significant moments of levity, and comes off as too self-serious to really enjoy as an MC. The show never really gave us an idea of what she does when she's not kicking butt/searching for more butts to kick.
3. Villains aren't complex enough. Every villain starts off in an intriguing grey-area before jumping head-first into crazyland. Unalaq went from Spirit-Rights-Activist to Satan, the Red Lotus went from freedom fighters to nomad beaters and Kuvira went from power-hungry uniter to Hitler.
4. The subplots are a huge mixed bag. The Pro-bending stuff in season 1 was lame, Kai was lame, most romances were lame. The best romance in the show by far was between a greedy madman and the woman he forces to clean his feet.
Agree?
Let's do a community watch of that.
We will. Probably going to start an ATLA live re-watch around January. And then lead up into a Korra re-watch. Although if Book 4 is out in march, people might want to watch the commentary stuff right away. So not sure how to do this. Hmmm.
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Oh sorry I meant that in the context of people referring to the argument between Veelk and myself where we talked about the meaning of canon. I didn't mean in relation to the actual topic you were talking about.
Oh I got you. I was just poking fun. Actually, I should apologize. I've made a couple jabs at your Cannon conversation several times. And in fact, it was a very fascinating and interesting conversation. It just went over my head because I didn't get into it on an intellectual level. But just because I didn't, doesnt mean it was pointless.
I like to poke fun at Veelk. BUT...yeah sorry man. That wasn't cool. Wasn't really paying attention to what I was saying.
lol me and Tak are going to hit over 2k posts in this thread. Insane.
EDIT: Actually prob not. I'll be creating the Community OT prob next week? Was going to wait so people could talk and get everything out about this finale here. But I think things are dying down pretty quickly. So I might make it sooner.
Gotdatmoney
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I didn't really enjoy the Korra and Asami ending personally for the same reason I generally don't enjoy romance in most animation. Nothing in the show really hinted that Korra and Asami had romantic interest in each other. Shows often fail to build a spark and blossom it into a full flame. Asami is barely a character past season 1 and barely has anything useful to say. What I saw throughout the season was just them being close friends especially since Korra didn't have any close female friends. She says as much.
The pairing to me felt forced because it didn't build anything suggesting they should get together or they wanted to be together. I also for the record don't see what issue people had initially about Mako and Korra. Yeah, it was attraction based off of looks but it's just silly to say looks alone make it shallow. That's a huge part of attraction for almost everybody. The reason Mako and Korra sucked is because the show showed them with no real chemistry or positive interactions. They just looked awkward and toxic together.
The fact that Korra and Asami were implied straight isn't really a big deal imo, it's that I was left scratching my head as to why they were together in the end. I think it's more of a writing error than anything else. I was expecting everyone to keep status quo from season 3 based on how the story was put together.
The pairing to me felt forced because it didn't build anything suggesting they should get together or they wanted to be together. I also for the record don't see what issue people had initially about Mako and Korra. Yeah, it was attraction based off of looks but it's just silly to say looks alone make it shallow. That's a huge part of attraction for almost everybody. The reason Mako and Korra sucked is because the show showed them with no real chemistry or positive interactions. They just looked awkward and toxic together.
The fact that Korra and Asami were implied straight isn't really a big deal imo, it's that I was left scratching my head as to why they were together in the end. I think it's more of a writing error than anything else. I was expecting everyone to keep status quo from season 3 based on how the story was put together.
Spring-Loaded
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Who had that yearlong avatar bet?
And I hope people didn't seriously miss the hints/subtext to possible Korasami/Korrsami/whatever
And I hope people didn't seriously miss the hints/subtext to possible Korasami/Korrsami/whatever
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Oh I got you. I was just poking fun. Actually, I should apologize. I've made a couple jabs at your Cannon conversation several times. And in fact, it was a very fascinating and interesting conversation. It just went over my head because I didn't get into it on an intellectual level. But just because I didn't, doesnt mean it was pointless.
I like to poke fun at Veelk. BUT...yeah sorry man. That wasn't cool. Wasn't really paying attention to what I was saying.
I am in no way upset about that at all so don't worry. It's all good natured ribbing, I just like having an excuse to post reaction gifs (I did it in reaction to earlier comments too). It was a derail and since it was just a back and forth between Veelk and myself I should have taken it to PM earlier.
JadedWriter
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YeYeah I have nothing against gay people or characters in general it just kind of felt like "hey Korrasami shippers we did a thing for you." Just felt like pandering. Meanwhile the ignored villain got 1/5 of a paragraph of background. At least with the Buffy villains there was good back story and they were entertaining.
RIP Roman Reign.
Icyflamez96
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/TheLegendOfKorra
Yes there are a few super stretches like maybe the train stuff, but
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/TheLegendOfKorra
Hmm. You have a point. I think my issue with Mako and Korra was just how slap dash and thrown together it was. Like go back and watch the Book 1 finale. How quickly Mako goes from being with Asami, to their romance at the end. Granted, they were going into the season thinking it was only going to have one season. That, it was the end of the show.
So that informed their writing. You are right though, to suggest that people being physically attracted, is shallow is not fair. I guess what I meant to say was, with Korra and Asami, they established this close relationship. They slowly showed how they became closer. So me, that foundation felt like more depth, then a typical romance in these kind of shows that happen based on attraction. But you are right, there is nothing wrong with that.
I think a better example is prob Bolins romance that kind of just happened.
Seems some did. I think, fans had a hard time knowing if it was just shipper fuel, shippers just reading into things, or just a very close friendship.
But I do think in hindsight, the romantic tone was there. People need to realize that, romantic tone isn't always just kissing and hugging. Or saying you like someone. It can be the way you look at someone. The way you act around them (body language). I do think all of those things were there.
Shouta
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It's kind of the wrong interpretation because the hands, the gaze, and the sequence of events, (specifically Mako's proclamation and then the Korra/Asami) scene heavily points towards more than friends. It wouldn't be the wrong interpretation of their relationship as a whole across the series because that's what most people thought, well other than the shippers.
But even if they were friends, I think the only way the "Walk into the spirit portal" ending works for is if all 4 of them did it together. It's just a weird ending. Even if you paired Korra with Mako or Bolin, I don't think it works well and both Bolin and Mako spent WAY more time with Korra throughout the series, lol.
The ending itself was bad. No doubt. I mean, even if you loved Korrasami, there wasn't enough there to end the entire show on it. Katara and Aang being together made sense, because they were on this journey together. They had reached the end. They were finally able to resolve their long lasting plot about their feelings for one another.
So emotionally, it earned that ending. The let's go take a vacation and be lovers ending, was just weird. Especially when the finale just kind of ended, and we got no closure for everyone else.
The more I think about it, the more I do think Korrasami was well written. But it really did not IMO earn that ending. And I do think, they were kind of lazy trying to mirror Aang and Katara. They were also lazy trying to mirror that spirit portal opening with Aang and Ozai's energy beam (same shot, same music). But the portal had no emotional weight behind it.
EDIT: To be clear, I think the scene with Korra and Asami was beautiful. The scene itself was fine. I just mean, the ending (the last 5 min overall) to me was bad in context of the season/series ending.
I'd rather jump straight to the commentary. The show should still be fresh in our minds in March.
That gaze at the very end was a heavy implication. It would had been much more subtle without it. Hell, even the hand holding could have been interpret as platonic.
Nah. It was about even in season 1, Mako had more time with her in season 2, but Asami was with Korra the majority of the time in season 3. 4 is also about even, but the group was rarely ever together.
Maybe we should just hold off on a full Korra re-watch. Plus, it would be kind of soon. Maybe we'll do the ATLA live re-watch. Then just go straight into Book 4's commentary. I'm not sure people would want to do a front to back Korra re-watch right away anyways.
Nah lets hit 2k first bro
Icyflamez96
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Ayy that'll be fun =D Hopefully a sizable amount of us stay for this
Sounds good to me.
lol don't make community thread, delay for 1 month just to get 2k posts.
Brawndo Addict
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Yeah like I mentioned earlier, if this stuff was all they could get in because of the censors or their equivalents that's fine (I didn't really find that list very persuasive or even very long but that's beside the point). The issue is when you consider it in the context of female friendships, what's the difference between building a platonic versus romantic relationship if they're being censored such that they can't put in the signals that would let us know how and when to interpret the same actions differently? The problem is the censors presumably remove the ability to create the proper context for actions and behaviors that would otherwise exist.
Shouta
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Yeah, see what I mean? lol Bolin might get a little less time comparatively but that's because he was never apart of the shipping wars.
S3 had Mako and Bolin together because they were exploring their family which Korra didn't really fit in with, storyline-wise. That left her with Asami to work with in the group.
we're only 1300 posts away. Post some snazzy Kuvira art and TAK alone could cover that gap in a day or two. Then you have Veelk's imminent essays and other stragglers talking about Korrasami. Mike and Bryan probably will say something soon which will broach further discussion.
Emperor_Uriel
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It's also worth noting that the reason why we might not have seen a buildup is because there was none, as in this is actually the first time Korra and Asami are showing any affection for each other at all. People act like there's been some huge, secret offscreen romantic development between these characters. In my opinion, it feels more like the beginning of a romance than the culmination of one. The feelings were there for a while, but this might be the first time they've had a chance to express them.
Basically: Spirit-vacation is more first date than marriage.
On top of everything else, Korra and Asami might end up as unsuccessful as other relationships in the series, it's only because the series is over that people are going so nuts over it. Remember that super-poopy Korra and Mako were in legit frequent makeout totally unambiguous love back when Korra was only supposed to be one season.
Basically: Spirit-vacation is more first date than marriage.
On top of everything else, Korra and Asami might end up as unsuccessful as other relationships in the series, it's only because the series is over that people are going so nuts over it. Remember that super-poopy Korra and Mako were in legit frequent makeout totally unambiguous love back when Korra was only supposed to be one season.
How would it be structured? A couple episodes a week for discussion?
Damn straight. 2k posts dedicated to the glory that is Kuvira.
And how wrong everyone else is about the Good Hitler.
Makorra was horrible for a bunch of reasons that (thankfully) Korrasami is not afflicted with.
WrenchNinja
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He was doing it during his coma between Crossroads of Destiny and Awakening. And you don't need to apologise.
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