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googleplex you've been in denial about Korrasami since yesterday, just give it up and accept we actually have a romantic lesbian relationship in a kid's tv show
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I'm saying there isn't a lot of wiggle room for a kids show. Look at the shitstorm that happened after it was implied Marceline and Princess Bubblegum were an item.
SilentMatthew
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I don't mind the Korrasami ending myself, I actually kinda like it even without the taking the piss on Mako. Like many many things about lok it COULD have been better written, but it wasn't and at least not terribad as Makorra and had more development than most of the other couples( Kai/Jino & Opal/Bolin). Of course varrick/zhu are ze best couple everah because of a myriad of reasons.
Gotdatmoney
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I think we understand that because of the level of tolerance in for this sort of thing in media especially aimed at younger audience is low, it's hard to do. It still doesn't mean that it fits in the context of this show though (considering how they wrote it anyway). I found it really odd and out of place personally. Each season ends kind of implying a new theme or new era. This was a really strange way to end the entire series. There wasn't really any commentary on the changing world nor was there any real . . . anything. It was just fluff.
Admiral Woofington
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Was it the intention of the writers to make them lesbians but they had to switch out their plans because CN wouldn't allow it? I'm curious here I remember hearing about this but never investigated it.
Regardless in that situation I wouldn't doubt that a chunk of the complains stemmed from a "but finn will get back together with her" place.
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pretty sure pb and marcy are confirmed as having been in a relationship that didn't work out
SilentMatthew
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I dunno, the way LOK and ATLA ended are pretty much the same, a couple gazing at eachother and bam a "The End" in traditional Chinese. Albeit, the character "goodbyes/final words" are not as compelling or mentioned in LOK. If you might how the FRANCHISE should end rather than a individual Avatar series, then I get ya.
googleplex
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Not confirmed by any of the shows writers or creators but very heavily implied in the comic.
googleplex
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The difference is that Aang and Katara was a thing that was build up since episode 1.
SoulUnison
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http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/arti...s-marceline-and-princess-bubblegum-once-dated
That's about as confirmed it gets unless you think she's flat-out lying.
Gotdatmoney
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They end similarly but the context is different. TLA is a series but the seasons are interconnected so the final end is culmination of everything they worked towards. Say what you want about TLA romance but Katara and Aang are clealry built up through the series and they grow close throw experiences. Since korra is self contained each season needs to sort of have it's own theme and the end of each season should represent growth and the start of something new. Season 1 was korra becoming more spiritually inclined, season 2 was the reintroduction of the spirits, 3 was about korra getting better and the new air nations goal. I guess you could say season 4 was about a new spirit portal but I don't think that actually said anything about the world. The last 3 minutes is pure shipping. Asami and Korra really aren't explored well as friends even imo. Now they are blossoming a romantic relationship. That's why I don't like it. Doesn't feel natural.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I have to admit. The last scene made me cry. Both joy and sadness. Joy in that everyone who has been with us for the past 4 books got a happy ending. Bolin has Opal, Tenzin has a new Air Nation, Lin reconciled with her family, Varrick and Zhu Li got married, Mako was a badass, Asami forgave her father, Korra believes in herself and the role of the Avatar again.
Korra and Asami have each other.
Sadness in that it's over, we may never see another Avatar show on TV again. Unlike ATLA it still feels like there are more stories to be told for Korra.
I'm not a shipper, but looking back in retrospect I can see how easy it would be to see Korrasami be a thing the last two seasons. I do think that Korrasami was something that Bryke planned since at least the beginning of book 4.
Korra and Asami have each other.
Sadness in that it's over, we may never see another Avatar show on TV again. Unlike ATLA it still feels like there are more stories to be told for Korra.
I'm not a shipper, but looking back in retrospect I can see how easy it would be to see Korrasami be a thing the last two seasons. I do think that Korrasami was something that Bryke planned since at least the beginning of book 4.
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So now people have to be attracted to each other since the first episode in order for it to be legit? What happened to slowly developing romantic feelings?
googleplex
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Shes not a writer or creator and that statement was said to be a joke later.
Basically it was reconed to stay out of a shit storm.
SilentMatthew
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True and Korrasami only had hints starting from Season 3 to 4 with less airtime. Also, a great many different circumstance of which I won't bother to bring because it has been dissected to death already. To reiterate, same end, much much less effective due to the aforementioned circumstances.
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bearythebear
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Is there a good playlist floating around with some of the best Korra music?
Jeremy Zuckerman's soundcloud has quite a few pieces from the show on it. https://soundcloud.com/jeremy-zuckerman/sets/from-the-legend-of-korra
googleplex
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I have no ideal where you're getting this stuff. I was responding to a comparison of Aang and Katara's relationship development to the fever dream that is Korrasami.
Korra and Asami suddenly getting together would be like Zuko and Katara getting together. Sure a rabbid and vocal part of the fan base would love it. But it would make zero sense in the context of the show we watched.
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Alright, so now explain how it makes zero sense in the context of the show we watched.
googleplex
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No they aren't at least not from what was shown. But I would equally have a issue with Korra and Bolin dating. It wouldn't make any sense. And come out of nowhere.
Same issue I had with digimon02. Matt and Sora out of nowhere!
where were these feelings? in the letters? complimenting someone when they cut their hair?
googleplex
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It must have been when Asami was emotionally supportive of Korra when she was.going through a tough time. Its not like there were each other's best friends or anything. Obviously they really want to go to the spirit world and snog.
What a mediocre series ending. Villain went out with a whimper and a shitty fight, too many damn lasers in the span of 40 minutes, only one line said about Mr Sato dying, shoe-horned relationship with no build up at all. The writing is completely awful and the worst part is that we might never get anything else in this universe again but after how LoK turned out maybe that's not a bad thing.
Korra's short haircut should have been a big indicator that she was going lez. JK?
For those that don't see Korra x Asami as earned, you don't have to. It's an ambiguous bond. They're Thelma and Louise 2.0. Friends until the very end... or sapphic friends until the very end.
For those that don't see Korra x Asami as earned, you don't have to. It's an ambiguous bond. They're Thelma and Louise 2.0. Friends until the very end... or sapphic friends until the very end.
TacticalFox88
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AWWW YEAAH GIRL
m_shortpants
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The GOAT
Azula, what's the deal with avatar bets? We can't let Satch get away scot free
Call me a masochist but I lost my bet too. Maybe I was too optimistic but I thought Bryke would try to resolve open plot points from Korras journey. I guess I was naïve.
SilentMatthew
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I already gave out my suggestion and was thoroughly rejected. C'est la vie. Someone needs to step up the plate to make a Mako avatar.
what was it?
what, that these two care alot for eachother? I'd call that a pretty easy way to jump into a relationship
googleplex
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Again this is the weirdest thing with Korrasami. Just because they good friend doesn't mean they want to start scissoring. It is not common at all for friends to want to start sexing each other. Particularly when nether one has show any romantic feeling towards to other.
"Look two woman they care about each other. They must be totally doing it ."
SilentMatthew
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get rid of the "random Mako" bit and I think we have a winner.
SpaceCadetKeon
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Dude, so many people, myself included, are convinced that they have romantic feelings for another. And we have the scene's presentation to thank for that.
The people behind the show know their viewers. So they had to have known damn well that, if they showed us the scene that we did see, many of us would interpret Korra and Asami's interactions as romantic. If we were meant to see it as platonic, and it still baffles me how people can see the final scene that way, then they would have stuck with the more subtle way it was originally portrayed in the cinematic. But they didn't. To me, that means something.
Just finished watching it... That's it? I almost wish this LoK never existed. After ATLA ended I was enamoured with the world and mythos the stories created. Classic in every sense. This isnt nostalgia talking either, I recently rewatched the whole thing.
Korra ruined a lot of that. And we're left with so many unanswered questions on a scale that is not forgivable. Red Lotus, Spirit co-existing, Equalists and more I can't think of right now. Unlike ATLA where I loved the adventures of the gAang and how they grew from them, in Korra, I don't care much for the main cast and find the agendas more interesting but not the focus or given time to be fully fleshed out.
I've said it before but the format was unfortunate for the writers. I think in the end Korra had more episodes but being locked into 1 arc per season as opposed to 1 arc for the entire series really hurt the grand scheme.
In the end, I still want more... but I don't know if that's a good thing.
Korra ruined a lot of that. And we're left with so many unanswered questions on a scale that is not forgivable. Red Lotus, Spirit co-existing, Equalists and more I can't think of right now. Unlike ATLA where I loved the adventures of the gAang and how they grew from them, in Korra, I don't care much for the main cast and find the agendas more interesting but not the focus or given time to be fully fleshed out.
I've said it before but the format was unfortunate for the writers. I think in the end Korra had more episodes but being locked into 1 arc per season as opposed to 1 arc for the entire series really hurt the grand scheme.
In the end, I still want more... but I don't know if that's a good thing.
DangerMouse
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Hmm, since you mention it, I agree about the theme of her conversation with Zaheer, so rather than forgiving perhaps Korra's words were also supposed to be about Kuvira accepting that her past had those hurtful issues but moving on from them and not letting them continue to push her to go as far as she was going? Also, either way I agree that was never really Korra's flaw though. While hotheaded I never felt she was lacking compassion for people.
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Damn, I loved that move no matter how many times I see it.
So much this. One of my favorite shows.
Do they need to be overtly obvious with suggesting romantic feelings? Does one need to be bumbling in shyness when around the other before you can believe that there might be something there?
Maybe the writers tried being more obvious and the network got on their case? This isn't just "they hung out acouple times," making this feel out of nowhere. They've had little beats in both the later seasons, and more significant signs of their relationship (romantic or otherwise) like Korra only ever choosing to mail Asami, and wanting it kept a secret. This has been a pretty natural pairing for a while, unlike most internet fan-shipping nonsense.
What is weird about this debate is that the lesbianism you seem so offended by doesn't actually occur in the story. It's implied with the subtext of a brick to the face, but it's not explicit. If you want to believe they are just good friends, okay. You have that option. But if others want to believe the subtext is just a message for something greater, who cares? Who cares if 'it's not common' for friends to start sexing each other? Then Korra and Asami will do the uncommon thing and start sexing each other if they want...
or hell, why are you even making this about sex? Maybe they just want to start dating. Just because they're bisexual doesn't mean they're sex fiends all of a sudden. It's not like the relationship they had with Mako was defined by sex by either of them. Why would it be with each other?
I agree with you insofar as the writing goes. But you're not coming off as someone who is offended by this at the writing level with comments like "it was born from some broken ass bechdel test" (which is an especially ignorant statement considering the bechdel test has nothing at all to do with lesbianism or even romance). You just seem mad at the implied possible beginnings of a relationship that has been developing in the background. Badly, but developing. And if this really is about the writing, then the show has far bigger problems than who Korra's bae is.
For what it's worth, that's basically how every single onscreen pairing in the entire series has gone so far. It's been extremely obvious, if not outright stated without an ounce of subtlety or ambiguity.
SilentMatthew
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Eh... my paint skills are still shite, but here it is:
Hopefully other contenders would appear.
Honestly as I have said before, is that... damn subtlety because half of the things that fans cry out that shows they're getting feelings for each other can easily be interperted as nothing more than friends. Then you got the season 1 and 2 love triangle. This whole thing just stinks of trying to fix past mistakes and bad writing.
SilentMatthew
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LoK in a nutshell mate. Having it as this series' finale is fitting in that ironic sense... I guess.
Edit: Actually, the word would be 'appropriate'.
grandjedi6
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I'd give this critism more credit if Avatar and Korra didn't pass the Bechdel Test every episode. It's not that they choose the only female relationship to make into a romantic pairing. They choose one of many female relationships to make romantic. So it works.
As the final scene was going, I was sitting thinking "it's obvious where this is going... They are going to walk into the portal together to visit the spirit world. If they walk merely side by side the writers intend for the relationship to be platonic, if they grab hands and walk hand in hand then they intend it to be romantic"
obviously they grabbed hands shortly after I had that thought and thus I can't really see that final scene as anything but the start of a romance.
On top of that, I imagine if it wasn't important for them to be alone because of something more than friendship, they would have just invited team avatar, as it wasn't just asami korra didn't have a chance to catch up with, but everyone.
You might recall, I was actually hoping korra would die in this fight so I wasn't shipping korra and asami, but given the network that it was on it's not like they could have gone any father with a girl on girl relationship... I mean heck when naruto started airing in english years ago (I think that was CN not nick but nick has the same mindset) the accidental kiss between naruto and sasuke was censored out... thus there is no way in hell a network like that would ever confirm a girl on girl relationship with something like a kiss at the end.
The only way we will likely ever see anything confirming this is if the creators get the rights for the avatar series away from nick and thus are then free to do what they want with it. If I recall right the avatar comics are still through nick so they still wouldn't be able to go farther with a relationship like that, as it is likely 10 years early before we would even see an openly gay/bi character in a kids cartoon on nick or disney, let alone an actual relationship between the main character and someone else of the same gender.
we screwed up with korra and we need to reboot her. Lets make up some crap and actually make her somewhat likeable after the reboot instead of the insufferable bitch she was before she was rebooted.
the first half of season two is the low point of korra for me... the reboot was the first really exciting part of korra for me, and then I just roll with the second half of season two as at least korra is somewhat likeable from there on out unlike everything up to that point.
No one (I think) is really debating if it's canon or not, but more so if they actually earned it and if it was forced. For me, it was lousy writing, they didn't earn it, and it was forced.
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