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[Log4Girlz]

Everyone looks better with their natural hair imo. Except me, I have the worst fucking hair.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Thread clearly needs more pictures of my imaginary wife and one of my favorite artists.

For me, she defines,

Put her picture next to the Oxford Dictionary definition. Such a beautiful spirit. And of course that hair...every one of those styles makes me weak in the knees.

Yo who is this?

 

[ishibear]

I don't think. I know. Whoever says otherwise must get their exposure through Television.

Black girls have many different types of hair styles.

Yes, black women have different types of hair, but predominantly, we are born with kinky hair. I'm a black woman and my natural hair is this kinky demon that makes me cry...

If your siblings have different hair texture, that's fine, there's no arguing because it's fact that we all have different hair types. However, it's also possible for some black women to train their hair to be less kinky. My sister has done it. Boy do I envy her skills at hair care...

Fact is, the hair styles on TV for black women are no more exaggerated than they are for women of any other races. It's to be expected that media wants to show the best look. It's always pretty far from the natural one.

 

[royalan]

Yo who is this?

Esperanza Spalding, Jazz musician out of Seattle who, if not known for her great music, should be known as the girl who famously came out of nowhere and beat Justin Bieber for the Best New Artist Grammy in 2012.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Esperanza Spalding, Jazz musician out of Seattle who, if not known for her great music, should be known as the girl who famously came out of nowhere and beat Justin Bieber for the Best New Artist Grammy in 2012.

Damn I have no idea why I remember her looking so much different

 

[Puppet Shadow]

You won't see me separate them, because I'm not going to give you the black explanation. I'm going to refrain from using a lot of the lingo, as well as avoid the base assumptions that I would if I were having this conversation with another black person, or someone who grew up around black people and knew enough about black hair to understand.

Too keep it brief as possible, black women wear weaves largely because black people (but especially black women) are raised in a society where they're told that black hair is...for lack of a better term, ugly. The kinks, the matte texture...all ugly. And we're not just told that black hair is ugly from a beauty standpoint, we're also told that it's improper, unprofessional, unclean, and just all-in-all not corporate. This is why many companies today still have policies against twists, cornrows, dreds and, yes, even afros, despite the fact that these are all the hairstyles best-suited for a black person's natural hair. This is also the reason why most black men keep no length whatsoever.

So if a black woman wants to be seen as adhering to society's standards of beauty, and if she wants to get a corporate job or just be taken seriously by society in general, she gets a weave.

Now, you may be wondering why black women don't just style their natural hair in a way typically seen with weaves, or if they're just using the weave a shortcut. No. It's simple, black hair doesn't just "straighten" on its own. To straighten black hair, you have to use ungodly amounts of damaging heat and/or scalp-injuring chemicals. The treatments are expensive if you go to a salon, and you SHOULD go to a salon, because if you don't and you have a novice do you hair you risk damaging it to the point of turning it into straw or, worse, having it all fall out. For a lot of women, it's just all-around cheaper and less damaging to get a weave.

Thanks for taking the time to make this post, always cool to learn stuff I never really understood before.

 

[Mesousa]

Alot have that hair type? I don't think so. You're assuming things again. Please show me proof of this majority. Maby in you're experience and the black girls you've seen. There is no weighted result. There's just many different types of hair. That's it.

Most African American women have naturally curly hair. There is no thinking required in this.

Are there a few who don't? Of course, but the exceptions prove the rule.

 

[AtomskEater]

I brought them up to show that not ALL black girls hair are like that. That's my main point of all this.


Is their kinky hair? Yes? Soft hair? Yes. More than one another? No. There's too many different hair typs for anyone to say one is dominant over another.

Who said all black girls have the same hair?!

I think you're getting confused over some terminology because while the looseness of curl patterns varies greatly among black women, our hair does tend to have some kind of curl pattern (or what many people call "kink"). I'm not really sure how you're using softness, because when I hear that I think you're literally talking about how soft someone's hair is, and you can definitely have kinky hair and yet it will be soft (exceptionally so when well taken care of). I have a tightly coiled hair curl pattern (mostly in the 4s with some patches of 3c), as does my mom. My sister has hair that is much straighter naturally. Her sons have very curly hair. Among the chart posted, I'd say when I see a black woman wearing a natural hairstyle that has not been tampered with via chemicals or heat, it tends to be in the 3 or 4 sections. Do black women with straighter hair exist? Yes, of course. I don't think anyone has said otherwise! But I have no problem confidently stating that it is much more common for our hair to have some type of curl/kink to it.

 

[On Demand]

Look at that chart again. While there are indeed many different types of black hair, MOST of them have a level of kink to them. Sorry, but this is just irrefutable at this point. "Kinky" is not a hardline description that exists on a island of it's own. There are less kinky hair textures, and more kinky hair textures.

And yes, I used those photos to give people in this thread an idea of what natural black hair is like, but in no way did I intend for those few photos I posted to represent the full gamut of black hair types. I would have had to flood this thread with dozens of photos to even attempt to do that. But guess what? Had I done that, most of the photos I posted with have been of hair with some level of kink present in the texture.

There are black girls hair without any kink to them at all. If you were to post pictures of many different kinds and not selectively choose you would see this.

We're going in circles with this.

 

[royalan]

Damn I have no idea why I remember her looking so much different

Esperanza is the truth.

Here's her nailing a cover of MJ's "I Can't Help It" (and cutely jamming out on a guitar that's almost bigger than she is).

There are black girls hair without any kink to them at all. If you were to post pictures of many different kinds and not selectively choose you would see this.

We're going in circles with this.

Instead of judging the photos I posted and stuffing claims down my throat, why don't you post some photos?

 

[Overdoziz]

More black women should wear their hair naturally, it's beautiful.

Seems like that eagle went a bit overboard with its nest.

 

[LQX]

Ugh, I didn't think that was funny at all, worse he is not much of a looker himself, in fact he is damn ugly, so no matter how she looks he should be thankful. Stop trying to humiliate women you assholes, especially when you share the same features.

 

[The Adder]

There are black girls hair without any kink to them at all. If you were to post pictures of many different kinds and not selectively choose you would see this.

We're going in circles with this.

Well you're just a brick wall of willful ignorance, ain'cha.

Seriously, let's stop and evaluate.

You are in this topic insisting that you know more about how black women's hair works than a rather large group of black folk. Including, and this is where it becomes insane, actual black women.

 

[On Demand]

Who said all black girls have the same hair?!

I think you're getting confused over some terminology because while the looseness of curl patterns varies greatly among black women, our hair does tend to have some kind of curl pattern (or what many people call "kink"). I'm not really sure how you're using softness, because when I hear that I think you're literally talking about how soft someone's hair is, and you can definitely have kinky hair and yet it will be soft (exceptionally so when well taken care of). I have a tightly coiled hair curl pattern (mostly in the 4s with some patches of 3c), as does my mom. My sister has hair that is much straighter naturally. Her sons have very curly hair. Among the chart posted, I'd say when I see a black woman wearing a natural hairstyle that has not been tampered with via chemicals or heat, it tends to be in the 3 or 4 sections. Do black women with straighter hair exist? Yes, of course. I don't think anyone has said otherwise! But I have no problem confidently stating that it is much more common for our hair to have some type of curl/kink to it.

When i said soft, i'm talking about hair naturally hanging down your back. Soft as in not being able to make your hair styled like the pics above. I've seen too many different kinds of hair to just say that black girls mostly have one main style.

It's the same to me with skin color for black people. But that's a whole other discussion.

 

["God's Beard!"]

So as an Asian with perfectly smooth, straight natural hair, does that make me more genetically fit for today's workplace?

 

[Samara]

Unless you mean wavy like Alicia Keys or Mariah Carey, I have never in my life seen a black woman with naturally straight hair. Even those with Latin descent.

Indians, yes.

 

[John Kowalski]

this exif is extremely dubious

 

[On Demand]

Well you're just a brick wall of willful ignorance, ain'cha.

Seriously, let's stop and evaluate.

You are in this topic insisting that you know more about how black women's hair works than a rather large group of black folk. Including, and this is where it becomes insane, actual black women.

Uhhhh i'm black if you couldn't tell from my post mentioning my family.

I didn't know the person who i was originally responding to was a girl though. Still, it doesn't make my argument any less valid.

 

[The Adder]

Uhhhh i'm black if you couldn't tell from my post mentioning my family.

I didn't know the person who i was originally responding to was a girl though.

You are black.

You are not, however, a large group of black folk.

You are literally saying that your limited experience trumps everyone else's, including actual black women who have posted.

 

[AtomskEater]

When i said soft, i'm talking about hair naturally hanging down your back. Soft as in not being able to make your hair styled like the pics above. I've seen too many different kinds of hair to just say that black girls mostly have one main style.

It's the same to me with skin color for black people. But that's a whole other discussion.

Okay, that makes a bit more sense. Even in the pictures royalan posted, those women don't all have the same curl patterns or hairstyle. Many of then even have hair that hangs (although the "down the back" part is difficult for me and I've heard it as a complaint from a lot of other black women due to the dreaded "shrinkage", where your hair can look much, much shorter than it really is because of how curly it is).

 

[Kimaka]

Unless you mean wavy like Alicia Keys or Mariah Carey, I have never in my life seen a black woman with naturally straight hair. Even those with Latin descent.

Indians, yes.

Neither have I. I was going to say Zoe Saldana, but she has kinky hair too. I mean, it probably happens, but it is really rare.

 

[Kreed]

There are black girls hair without any kink to them at all. If you were to post pictures of many different kinds and not selectively choose you would see this.

We're going in circles with this.

Royalan made a general statement about black women, that you are right, does not apply to all black women. However you as well have been making general statements in response to his general statement:

You said-



Which is just wrong. Black women, african americans in general, don't need to do anything to keep their hair straight. It can be styled yes, that's the beautiful thing about about black hair, but most just have to comb it and that's it. I have plenty of females in my family that prove this.

And i'm not saying what you said was criticism. I just don't think what you said is correct.

Which is why you've been going in circles. You both agree that not all black women have the same hair texture. Besides that, there was nothing else wrong with what royalan said since it does apply to a LOT of black women.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I ask for a link for some statistics that show most black women have straightish hair...haven't gotten shit yet.

Black women in general don't need to do anything to straighten their hair except a comb.

Totally ignore the multibillion dollar black hair straighting chemicals industry (and the multibillion dollar weave industry)

 

[On Demand]

You are black.

You are not, however, a large group of black folk.

You are literally saying that your limited experience trumps everyone else's, including actual black women who have posted.

Limited experience? Ok.

No i'm not saying that. All i'm saying is there are different typs of hair. I don't believe there's any main hair types for black girls.

Neither have I. I was going to say Zoe Saldana, but she has kinky hair too. I mean, it probably happens, but it is really rare.

Zoe Saldana's hair is not kinky.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Zoe Saldana's hair is not kinky.

I know you think we all look alike, but she's not African American. She's African Dominican (s/o to her making it out that hell hole)...

 

[royalan]

Zoe Saldana's hair is not kinky.

Uh, yeah it is:

These girls be havin you fooled with a good press-n-curl.

EDIT: Beaten...like something explicit I'm not gonna say here...

 

[.GqueB.]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

 

[Atraveller]

Thread clearly needs more pictures of my imaginary wife and one of my favorite artists.

This shot looks like a CG render from a Final Fantasy game.

Man, she's hot.

 

[thesoapster]

Here's some examples of black hair styled without heat:

Good lord.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Esperanza is the truth.

Here's her nailing a cover of MJ's "I Can't Help It" (and cutely jamming out on a guitar that's almost bigger than she is).

<3

every time I see her sing I get hypnotized. and her kind spirit shines really brightly in interviews as well.

everything about her makes me weak.

This shot looks like a CG render from a Final Fantasy game.

Man, she's hot.

yes, she is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xbHWp1KfSE

look at that. what's not to like. so much talent, so lovely, so sweet. hnnnnng.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Zoe Saldana's hair is not kinky.

Her natural hair is curly.

Garren chose to keep Saldana's natural curly texture, which she confessed to preferring over her usual salon-straightened strands.

Source: http://www.allure.com/celebrity-trends/cover-shoot/2013/zoe-saldana?slide=5

And though I can't find the full interview, around the same time in InStyle magazine, she admitted that for a long time she straightened her hair, which is why that's the most common look she has in media and press photos.

As for her hair, she admits that, after using a Japanese straightener for the past 10 years, she is now missing her curls.

&#8220;It&#8217;s been eight months since my last straightening treatment, and I&#8217;m going to let it all grow out. I miss feeling the thickness. It&#8217;s been a long time since I&#8217;ve woken up with my hair looking like an Afro. I want to have that again,&#8221; says Saldana.

Source: http://mycurlymane.com/zoe-saldana-curly-mane/

This was all from a quick google search btw.

 

[On Demand]

I know you think we all look alike, but she's not African American. She's African Dominican (s/o to her making it out that hell hole)...

http://deecrowseer.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/goizs001.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

I know what she is.

[quote="royalan, post: 144704296"]Uh, yeah it is:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Z9YfUpZ.jpg

These girls be havin you fooled with a good press-n-curl.

EDIT: Beaten...like something explicit I'm not gonna say here...

Ok cool. But her hair is naturally softer than any of girls from your pictures. Which gets back to my point.

 

[royalan]

Ok cool. But her hair is naturally softer than any of girls from your pictures. Which gets back to my point.

But there's STILL a kink! That's MY point.

 

[On Demand]

But there's STILL a kink! That's MY point.

Yeah......on one girl. That's MY point.

 

[Kraftwerk]

 

[Dreams-Visions]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xfG-dJFbxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6slTIEI6I

look at this woman, GAF.

*faints*

Yeah......on one girl. That's MY point.

my head hurts.


edit: well played, kraftwerk.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Well since we're on the subject.

Andy Allo...like Esperanza rocks the natural and her music is super dope, she is Prince's protege (please purchase Super Conductor from Amazon, iTunes or listen for free on Spotify). And check out her new single 'Tongue Tied' on Spotify

 

[Angelus Errare]

Yeah......on one girl. That's MY point.

You're confusing yourself so much. You poor soul.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Hi is this the Skin Diamond thread?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Andy Allo...

*takes notes*

 

[XenodudeX]

Esperanza Spalding.

I am fucking in love

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Esperanza Spalding.

I am fucking in love

BACK OF THE LINE, BUDDY!

(and commended for excellent taste, sir)

 

[On Demand]

You're confusing yourself so much. You poor soul.

I made my point pretty clear since the beginning.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I made my point pretty clear since the beginning.

CLEARLY.

 

[Boombox On]

Yeah......on one girl. That's MY point.

And with that girl... you were horribly wrong. You're not servicing your own argument very well.

 

[Samara]

What is soft hair? These girl look like they have soft hair....or do you mean hair you can run your finger through?

 

[FyreWulff]

I don't think. I know. Whoever says otherwise must get their exposure through Television.

Black girls have many different types of hair styles.

Yes, most black women don't have kinky hair. That's why there's a giant fucking industry of hair products aimed directly at black women centered around kinky hair, it's just one giant collusion myth

 

[Trojan X]

My gosh she is gorgeous!

 

[Dreams-Visions]

My gosh she is gorgeous!

why yes she is my friend. and she's one of those rare women that are pretty in motion than in stills.

 

[foodtaster]

are people in this thread really trying to argue that black people (including women) don't have curly hair? oh lawd.