lmao this made me laugh for some reason. Dat face.
Is it wrong to look if someone is showing cleavage?
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lmao this made me laugh for some reason. Dat face.
Bronetta
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If people gonna put words in my mouth, I can do the same as well.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I see what they're talking about. I do not see anything close to what you said others are saying.
smokeandmirrors
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reading comprehension how does it work?
1) Both of these posts were in reference to men starring. Not just looking.
2) The first post was clearly making a connection to similar "I can't help it" arguments being used to excuse things like racism. Not implying that staring at boobs...makes you racist.
ExplodingKetchup
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Maybe only allow yourself to look once every few days, because more than it's kind of odd.
And to those saying that they can't control their glances, lol what? I'm bi and I see cute girls with low cut tops all the time, and I can control myself enough to not look at their while I'm talking to them. It's when they look away that you can steal a glance tbh
Also the argument that they're expecting it is... weird. I mean, maybe sometimes, but if I catch a guy who's twice my age looking at my boobs even once I feel pretty uncomfortable.
And to those saying that they can't control their glances, lol what? I'm bi and I see cute girls with low cut tops all the time, and I can control myself enough to not look at their while I'm talking to them. It's when they look away that you can steal a glance tbh
Also the argument that they're expecting it is... weird. I mean, maybe sometimes, but if I catch a guy who's twice my age looking at my boobs even once I feel pretty uncomfortable.
terrisus
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Freudian?
Pai Pai Master
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You keep saying words are being put in your mouth, but no one said that looking at cleavage once means you're probably a rapist.
Using biology as an excuse for ogling women is straight up weird. You're not the one doing that and you're not who I was referring to.
But you can't get defensive if you make a thread claiming that every time you talk to a coworker, you can't help but look at her boobs. I think we are in universal agreement in this thread that it's very much okay to look. But you're asking for trouble if you stare or you can't avert your gaze at least once for a simple conversation.
She may not even know what she's doing, but in a work environment it's the polite thing to do to not tell her breasts that they need to turn in their report before they leave.
Fenderputty
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They should just name "auto-correct" that.
fuzzyreactor
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I find nothing wrong with it and I really don't care if someone notices and gets offended.
terrisus
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Auto-correct: Replacing one thing with your mother since 1995.
BreezyLimbo
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I just make like an infant and stare at the most attractive bosom. But of course, theres moments where I ask permission if I can stare. Its only proper.
But seriously, wanting to look at breasts or hips or what have you is natural for heterosexual men. Personally I prefer to check out bone structure, nothing more attractive than a woman with a beautiful skull. I mean face.
But seriously, wanting to look at breasts or hips or what have you is natural for heterosexual men. Personally I prefer to check out bone structure, nothing more attractive than a woman with a beautiful skull. I mean face.
Ok of the top of my head:
1) creep is such a gendered word. In the same way female promiscuity is shamed with words like slut, certain male behaviour is discouraged with a word like creep. Whether its a guy who's too forward and can't take a hint, a guy who stares at a girl's breasts and makes her uncomfortable or for some girls if he's just ugly.
2) if women act sexually forward it's not seen as a bad thing and considering general strength disparity between the genders I get it. So if girl ogles a muscular guy in a tank top in a club, or palms his crotch, puts her hand on his chest, generally, no flying fucks are given. If a man did the same... You get the idea.
Everyone knows what they are doing when they choose an outfit. I know many women with both small, and large breasts. None of the women with the large breasts seem to have any issue finding very attractive looking clothing without showing any cleavege. There are plenty of different types of clothes out there.
That's like saying that women are forced to wear those yoga pants. They aren't. Its a choice and of course EVERYONE wants some level or attention and approval. Of course they want some people to look or admire them.
I'd say look if you want, to a point that you won't get reprimanded or fired for it.
If you think someone likes you, pay less attention. It will get you much further with them on average. Just not in the work place.
That's like saying that women are forced to wear those yoga pants. They aren't. Its a choice and of course EVERYONE wants some level or attention and approval. Of course they want some people to look or admire them.
I'd say look if you want, to a point that you won't get reprimanded or fired for it.
If you think someone likes you, pay less attention. It will get you much further with them on average. Just not in the work place.
terrisus
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Don't forget to wink.
Yes; it's as natural as when a woman feels uncomfortable because they are getting unwanted attention.
Being civilized is about caring about the nature of those around you, not just your own nature.
It's why looking within reason isn't being lambasted by anyone in this thread; very few expect people to shield their eyes or not glance.. and even staring isn't being called out as some horrible immoral act.
It's just something you should avoid out of care for how it makes people feel. Honestly aside from having no clue if the person you are staring at will feel uncomfortable from it, it can make other people uncomfortable to notice you staring as well.
I sometimes find myself struggling against the urge to look more.. to find a better viewpoint, etc.. sometimes I fail against these struggles.. but I'm not going to sit around justifying my actions. I don't consider myself morally wrong; just socially impolite when I act that way.
My point still stands, women may be judged for being promiscuous but for behaviour that would be deemed creepy there's not really a female equivalent. If a girl behaved in ways I described she wouldn't be called a creep.
It also feels good to touch my wiener, but I don't do it publicly.
I don't see how either of those two points relates to anything I said.
Sure, I used the word creep a lot, but not in a gendered way. I think women are very much capable of being "creeps" as well, but the subject of this thread specifically is men who "can't help" but leer at a woman's breasts. Although, I will admit that I never considered that "creep" might be a gendered word at this point. There may be something to that...
As for your second point, I think there's a huge difference between women being "creepy" and men (some men, not ALL men) just not feeling threatened by it; and making the claim that some in this thread are making, that men should be given license to be creepy because they just can't help it.
ultraspank
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If you can control it, try and avoid the following:
Eyes popping out to two to three feet in front of head
"Aoooooogah" sound
Hitting self in head with shoe repeatedly
Panting with wolf-head
Beware - if trombone-based "You must have been a beautiful baby" is playing, check if your target is actually a bunny.
Eyes popping out to two to three feet in front of head
"Aoooooogah" sound
Hitting self in head with shoe repeatedly
Panting with wolf-head
Beware - if trombone-based "You must have been a beautiful baby" is playing, check if your target is actually a bunny.
This is my curse. No matter the situation, I find women are sexy. In business attire, in bikinis, baggy cloths, no cloths, jeans, a towel, whatever. My lust for women is fucking strong.
Too much confidence and testosterone. Luckily I'm handsome, young, rich and interesting otherwise my behavior would be considered lewd instead of desired.
Let me clarify, I have more tact than what I'm leading on here. I do not oogle women at the gym, for example.
the fuck
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I was waiting for that last sentence. Of course it's there.
There's some merit to this; if you have a lot of experience with women desiring your attention, you actually aren't being as rude "in general" being more forward with your attention. As long as you are taking into account their reaction and acting appropriately of course.
However plenty of guys and girls think everyone wants them and have their head up their asses.
terrisus
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Pai Pai Master
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Wouldn't be surprised if that was his excuse too, "she's wearing a low cut dress and talking to me, she must want me to look repeatedly."
Absolutely. My sister just set me up with this beautiful, talented and smart, young southern bell and naturally, I stole her heart in one fucking night. It's all experience and knowing how to be a gentleman and asking yourself constantly, what does SHE want, and then delivering,
BreezyLimbo
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Well, theres definitely a difference between taking a stare and well, staring. If you're looking for a vantage point to get a better view, than you'd be a voyeur which isnt socially accepted. If you just look and they're in front of you...thats fine, really. As long as you're not trying to get close or well, following the person, which would be creepy..its fine to look. Will society ever reach a point where nobody ever stares at another person sexually, in public ever again? I hope not, that'd be boring. Being able to look and appreciate another persons physicality is half the fun of living.
As for the weiner guy, (on phone atm) thats a false equivalence.
terrisus
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hot
Sicko, that's one of the baby Bells.
He could probably assertain my preference.
I'll start from the beginning:
I gave reasons why I think that's not the case. That behaviours in men that would be viewed as creepy would not be seen as creepy in women. Also, a point I forgot to mention, the fact that Seinfeld video exists shows that there is a social pressure to not be creepy.
I wasnt arguing that men are incapable of not looking. My point was that it's not true that society doesn't put pressure on men to not be "creepy".
The guy is a known creep. Is married, but still stares and makes comments at women. I was called a tart one time by him as well. I guess my point is that young guys who think its acceptable to ogle women grow up to be old men who ogle women.
hot
The first thing I did upon meeting her was the top, down scan, and I made it obvious. She then laughed, brought it up and I looked at her like, "fuck yeah I'm checking you out, btw hot shoes, we are going to get along great!"
"I'll ask you again sir, WHAT CITY?"
It's certainly a fine balance between being too boring and being gross.
I agree in general; it's about moderation though. Hitting on people for instance; sometimes it might make someone uncomfortable.. but if nobody ever hit on anybody, what kind of world is that?
John Kowalski
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A tart? Like a strawberry tart? That's weird.
Edit, just looked it up and he probably didn't mean to call you a food item! The more you learn.
This post with that avatar. Oh god I'm dying.
RatskyWatsky
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I didn't say men face no social pressure, I said they don't face a lot. May sound a bit defensive but honestly there's an important distinction there.
Yeah, obviously a man can be creepy enough to a point that society just acknowledges him as creepy. But look at popular media just in the US going back decades: straight men openly displaying their sexuality and attraction to females is often encouraged (typically by other men), thought of as flattering, and often even when it's derided it's only done so comically or half-hearted (an "Oh, you boys!" sort of reaction).
You have a point that women can behave the same way and not be seen as creepy, but there are other reasons for that (nor is this universally true) and, again, this is unrelated to anything I said.
BreezyLimbo
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Thats the key. Too much of anything is bad. Seriously. Except sex. Never enough intercourse.
Ahem. But yeah, obviously if the person asks you to atop, you stop. If they make a physical sign that they're uncomfortable, you stop. But you shouldnt assume that all women DON'T want to be stared at. The opposite is true too. Moderation is key.
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