Is it wrong to look if someone is showing cleavage?

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CosmicSmash said:
There aren't nearly enough pics of boob cleavage in this thread.
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I completely agree. After all,

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Eh. Just assume that they're dressing not to impress you or anyone else, but because they like the style. In tandem with this, assume that they would appreciate a little bit of actual restraint, coupled with basic human dignity.
 
I agree with what has been said already - looking is fine, staring is really not okay. Don't be a rude jerk, plenty of guys aren't.
 
Reminds me of that Wedding I went to, my friend's brother GF has big breast and was wearing a dress that had her breast pretty damn exposed, she was sitting at the opposite end of the table, so yeah shit was difficult not trying to look. It's like an instinct thing, the harder to try not to look your body insistingly forces you to take a look. By the end of it, my eyes were crossed eyed.
 
Opiate said:
In my opinion:

As noted, the complicated element here is that some women like to be noticed -- even stared or gawked at -- and some women very much do not. Further, it's not as simple as "these women want to be gawked at all the time, while these other women never want to be gawked at." It depends on situation and mood, as well as on the woman generally.

Figuring out who is who takes a modicum of contextual understanding, but not too much. For example, a woman wearing a low cut shirt in winter is much more likely to be seeking attention than a woman who is wearing a low cut shirt in summer. A woman wearing a low cut shirt at a bar is much more likely to want to be noticed than a girl wearing a lower cut shirt at work. Even something like camera angle on Twitch matters; a woman wearing a low cut day shirt with the camera clearly angled at her breasts is far more likely to be seeking attention than a woman who has a more straightforward camera angle or who is wearing her pajamas on twitch but which may show a little cleavage anyway.

I know this is frustrating, as it's far easier to have a simple formula, or to have someone explicitly tell you that behavior X is okay in these situations or here is a list of situations where behavior Y is not okay. Unfortunately, human interaction relies on context and body language to produce a full understanding.
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We need the cleavage equivalent of the Nash Equilibrium.
 
I don't stare but I will sneak a few glances and make use of my peripheral vision.

I find large breasts extremely attractive so not looking at all is very difficult for me.

When a well endowed woman wearing a loose low cut shirt bends over within view I have to put forth an effort to not let my eyes linger.

I always try to be respectful and maintain eye contact during conversation though.
 
Opiate said:
I know this is frustrating, as it's far easier to have a simple formula, or to have someone explicitly tell you that behavior X is okay in these situations or here is a list of situations where behavior Y is not okay. Unfortunately, human interaction relies on context and body language to produce a full understanding.
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thinking about getting this tattooed on my forehead
 
ShyGuy0504 said:
I don't stare but I will sneak a few glances and make use of my peripheral vision.

I find large breasts extremely attractive so not looking at all is very difficult for me.

When a well endowed woman wearing a loose low cut shirt bends over within view I have to put forth an effort to not let my eyes linger.

I always try to be respectful and maintain eye contact during conversation though.
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I love Vert too, I just couldn''t miss this chance to avatar quote you!
 
The polite thing to do is be obvious about it. Look in a woman's eyes when she's speaking to you, but as you respond and your gaze naturally wanders, don't fight to hold on to what you're saying. Just trail off as you stare openly at her breasts, and say "...I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought. You have spectacular breasts."

This also works for girls/guys in tight pants, but never say it about a girl's lips, tongue or teeth (too sexually aggressive), eyes (too cheesy), nose (she'll think it's a lie), hands (she'll be nonplussed), or feet (she'll view you like a whale views those gross little fish that eat the garbage that gets stuck to its whale-skin).
 
ldcommando said:
If the woman notices you are doing it wrong
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I think that's the real takeaway here. I'm always stealing glances when eye contact is broken and I do it on the sly. Do I get caught sometimes? Sure, but not very often.

I do find that if the view is nice enough, I DO have to fight my urge to look. And I sometimes do fail. I can understand what some guys mean when they say it's part of their "nature". Sometimes, you just don't even realize. It actually takes some effort not to look but I don't even think it's a sexual or "creepy" (I fucking hate that word). It's pure desire. The feeling you have as a human being to simply look at something you are fundamentally interested in. Some are just better at not giving into that.
 
royalan said:
But we weren't talking about his post. We're talking about yours.

And the main point here, that still stands btw, is that there are plenty of reasons a woman would wear a low-cut top other than "HERE GUYS! LOOK AT ME!"
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Name one.

edit: oh you did

royalan said:
Just off the top of my head:

1) It's popular. Just go to the women's section of pretty much any department/retail store. Unless it's Fall/Winter attire a lot of the clothing for women feature cuts that show some cleavage. It's more socially acceptable for women to show cleavage for a multitude of reasons, and because of that it's popular. For that reason you can have a lot of women buying low-cut tops and never once thinking it's for a man's benefit. It's just what they see other women wearing.

2) It's comfortable.

3) It cooling in the summertime.

4) They like it. And whether or not a woman likes something often has no basis in what the men around her like.
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1) I dunno. Plenty of things are fashionable that don't require showing some skin.

2) Plenty of things are comfortable that don't put your boobs on display.

3) Wear a t-shirt? For males, the only time a guy wears something like speedos is if he wants people to notice that he's wearing a speedo (that or he's part of a swim team or something)

4) Again, there's plenty of things women can like which wouldn't result if exposed boob flesh.
 
It shouldn't be wrong, but it is.

We don't live in a perfect world where sexualization and objectification are equal for men and women. Because women tend to deal with that much more often, and some women deal with that every day of their lives, looking at a woman's breasts is not the same as looking at a guy's haircut, or looking at a woman's knees.

Just like how the N-word carries more weight than other words, because of history and inequality, looking at cleavage carries more weight than looking at any other body part.
 
So wait.

Exactly how many seconds can I stare at a massive miscellany of mammaries before I'm considered creepy?

This is important.
 
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