LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

Septimius said:
You're completely contradicting yourself. You're saying it's OK for some contingencies not to be accounted for, but at the same time, it's not OK. What.

I work with networking. I deal with DDOSes. You can't just "fix it". This is nothing Sony can be held responsible for. What you're saying is that they should have an internet connection that is bigger than all other internet connections in the world. Combined. Because that's how you completely eliminate DDOS. When no one has the capacity to fill up your links, you can't be DDOSed. But that can't happen. So it won't happen. The internet will always be prone to DDOS, just like a highway will get congested if someone has an accident. Yelling "it shouldn't" doesn't change anything.
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I'm contradicting myself. I don't expect there never to be down time. I expect their system to be more resilient than this. The PSN service going down from time to time is fine. It being down for prolonged periods of time during 4 straight days is not.
 
Those expecting compensation will be greatly disappointed. Sony dont care, the only reason they gave goodies that one time is because people had to change credit cards.

Laws00 said:
So is the ps store up yet on PS4 or website store?

i heard that a few select have gotten in
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It worked for about an hour last night but that's it. This morning it was giving a maintanence error but now its completely fucked again.


psn said:
So now we buy the console that gets less attacked by immature kids?
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Microsoft got attacked but they can handle it. Sonys network is a joke, even when not being attacked service is bad quite often. People expect working products.
 
elco said:
I understand the silence at the moment, but I will lose a bit of faith if they attempt to just sweep this under the rug. Many other large organizations would release some sort of report detailing either what happened and/or how it will be handled better in the future. I seem to recall reddit being DDoS'd a year or two ago, and them writing about it in their blog. I would imagine if somebody like netflix went down for 3 days, there would be more than some tweets saying "we have received reports of..." Maybe Sony is a bit too corporatey for something like that, but I think transparency is warranted about now.

BTW, someone resurrect GameSpy, let's take this back to p2p
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Reddit is nowhere near a corporation like Sony.
 
Caja 117 said:
Read my post that I just quoted you , Sony isnt liable when something like this Happens, They are not obligated to compensate anyone. They can choose to as a Thank you to the customer, but they are not in any obligation to do it.

You are talking about a Network that had a serious Hack some years ago, and back then they updated their TOS to protect themselves legally. Tech pages have this article, look it up.
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Who is saying Sony OWES us anything? At least for me, all I've said is it would be a good customer service move on their end to do so.
 
Lakerchick4life said:
Seeing this on XBOX LIVE SERVICE STATUS

Social and Gaming Limited

does that mean its back to being down again..UGH..and my controller just finished charging too..since this is my first time even turning on the XBOX ONE I obviously dont want any problems
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Actually, the status page is rarely ever accurate. Check the Xbox one sub reddit, there's some wonky stuff but XBL is up and running.

Go ahead and try, should work.
 
DudeWithNoName said:
No, they both get attacked. However, one had a robust enough infrastructure to better withstand the attacks.
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It wouldnt surprise me if they're attacking Sony at a different scale. They seem to have a bigger problem with Sony considering they even grounded the flight of the SOE President John Smedley. And if the interview is real, it get's even clearer.

Microsoft still has more servers and can withstand those attacks a bit better.
 
gregor7777 said:
Try to follow along.

If one company can fix their shit within hours, one should be able to expect a similar response from Sony. Basically WTF Sony.
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If you knew anything about the two following things, you'd understand why this doesn't apply:

1) Size difference between Sony and MS. Server size difference between Sony and MS. Service size difference between MS (Windows, Live, Azure, +++++++++) and Sony (SEN, PSN)

2) Networks
 
As I said on the PSN thread. If Sony came with a in depth article as to what problems there are and what they are doing. I doubt many will be as pissed as they are.
 
SDCowboy said:
Who is saying Sony OWES us anything? At least for me, all I've said is it would be a good customer service move on their end to do so.
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I wasnt quoting you, my apologies.


Copen said:
You're crazy if you truly believe they can't or won't be held accountable legally even in the event that PSN never comes back up. It can say whatever they want it to say and it doesn't matter legally they will be held accountable and probably sued over this the longer it stays down the worse it gets for Sony.
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Read my post before,

And know you went from "the TOS doent say anything about compensation" to "that TOS doesnt matter legally"?

read this:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/240204/psn_update_tos_protects_sony_from_lawsuits.html
 
Septimius said:
You're completely contradicting yourself. You're saying it's OK for some contingencies not to be accounted for, but at the same time, it's not OK. What.

I work with networking. I deal with DDOSes. You can't just "fix it". This is nothing Sony can be held responsible for. What you're saying is that they should have an internet connection that is bigger than all other internet connections in the world. Combined. Because that's how you completely eliminate DDOS. When no one has the capacity to fill up your links, you can't be DDOSed. But that can't happen. So it won't happen. The internet will always be prone to DDOS, just like a highway will get congested if someone has an accident. Yelling "it shouldn't" doesn't change anything.
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A mod show go back an edit this into the top of every page in this thread lol
 
Beefy said:
As I said on the PSN thread. If Sony came with a in depth article as to what problems there are and what they are doing. I doubt many will be as pissed as they are.
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Yeah, leaving people in the dark is just flat out annoying, and it makes me wonder why I even bother paying for PS+.
 
VinFTW said:
Actually, the status page is rarely ever accurate. Check the Xbox one sub reddit, there's some wonky stuff but XBL is up and running.

Go ahead and try, should work.
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Yeah just kind of nervous to try..should have tried it last night when it appeared that everything was back up and running..I guess if it doesnt work and I cant download any system firmware updates I Can always turn it off and try again later..doesnt do any damage to the XBOX ONE
 
Beefy said:
As I said on the PSN thread. If Sony came with a in depth article as to what problems there are and what they are doing. I doubt many will be as pissed as they are.
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This is what I'm upset about most. Sony's complete and deafening silence on these issues now and in the past. It would go a long fucking way for them to say anything at all.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
Being a PSN user since it began I guess I just have thick skin. Its annoying as fuck but its not the apocalypse.
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It's not the end of the world, I'm not even annoyed at Sony at the moment (whoever did this all is scum) but it's definitely not absurd to demand some kind of compensation for not having our services provided for 3 days straight regardless of who or what caused it.

Asking for a free game is too much. But we should all have a week extended on our subscription.
 
PSN was working fine this morning and I even played GTA online. As of right now, I no longer can access the store nor play any online games, but I can log in into my account.

I guess I'll just play Persona 4 for the first time :( :)
 
abuC said:
Yeah, leaving people in the dark is just flat out annoying, and it makes me wonder why I even bother paying for PS+.
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They just did a blog post. Pretty much saying it's due to high traffic. The same thing their twitter has been saying.

I told people this is all you're gonna get.
 
Beefy said:
As I said on the PSN thread. If Sony came with a in depth article as to what problems there are and what they are doing. I doubt many will be as pissed as they are.
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You cant acknowledge that you were taken down by some pissy teenie boppers from DDOS attacks. Thats like getting beat up by the weakest person at school when nobody was around to see it and telling everybody what happened. You would lose all tough guy credibility.
 
big_z said:
Sonys network is a joke, even when not being attacked service is bad quite often. People expect working products.
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I never have problems with the PSN aside from those DDOS kids.

But I guess you're right, Sony's network must be a joke. Because they should invest billions of $ just to be prepared for an attack that might never happen and lasts a few hours or days.
 
I get that we don't know the whole situation...

HOWEVA

It does seem like XBL is up for more dudes/dudettes than PSN is right now...and thats nooooo gooood

and the average person isn't going to care about the specifics.
 
Welp, time to start the drinking game...again
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http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/12/27/playstation-network-update-3/#sf6590558


The video game industry has been experiencing high levels of traffic designed to disrupt connectivity and online gameplay. Multiple networks, including PSN, have been affected over the last 48 hours. PSN engineers are working hard to restore full network access and online gameplay as quickly as possible.

From time to time there may be disruptions in service due to surges in traffic, but our engineers will be working to restore service as quickly as possible.

If you received a PlayStation console over the holidays and have been unable to log onto the network, know that this problem is temporary and is not caused by your game console. We’ll continue to keep you posted on Twitter at @AskPlayStation and we’ll update this post once the problems subside.

Thanks again for your patience.
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Reading that first line.
"DESIGNED TO DISRUPT TRAFFIC"

There. Can we go now?
 
Mik317 said:
I get that we don't know the whole situation...

HOWEVA

It does seem like XBL is up for more dudes/dudettes than PSN is right now...and thats nooooo gooood

and the average person isn't going to care about the specifics.
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Microsoft are at an advantageous situation. They have a cloud network in place. Their azure infrastructure means it's much harder to attack them, and that you need a much bigger attack. They likely have a bigger team that can counter it, too. It's advantage Microsoft, and it will be a difference that will make a difference in attack like this. Forever. So if it's important for you that DDOSes impede your services for the shortest amount of time possible, which is a totally fair request, then MS is a better alternative. Sony doesn't run a network anywhere near the size of MS's.
 
Mik317 said:
I get that we don't know the whole situation...

HOWEVA

It does seem like XBL is up for more dudes/dudettes than PSN is right now...and thats nooooo gooood

and the average person isn't going to care about the specifics.
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PSN survived that nasty hack with the credit cards, they will survive this. Not saying its not bad but its not the end of the world either.
 
Septimius said:
Hahaha. Wow. You're being utterly silly, now.



This has NOTHING to do with "always". This has to do with now. What's going on now is not something that can be upheld indefinitely. Even if it's just one guy manually entering IPs to block, the attack will slowly die. All of the world's botnet won't be able to grow fast enough to uphold it indefinitely. The TOS state that the service may be down. They are down. That's what I've said. That's what happened. If this had PSN go down forever, I'd expect people to get their PSN+ time back, and be compensated for their digital downloads. But that's a completely different matter. It has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Trying to reduce my argument to the absurd isn't doing anyone any favors. We're trying to understand what this attack is, and what we should hold Sony accountable for.
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You're contradicting yourself you know that right? You specifically said the TOS states Sony isn't responsible for downtime so in light of that you don't then get to say and I quote " If this had PSN go down forever, I'd expect people to get their PSN+ time back, and be compensated for their digital downloads. But that's a completely different matter" no it's NOT a completely different matter because according to the TOS Sony isn't responsible right? Now just think how ridiculous that sounds for a minute..........Down time is down time be it a day or forever it's all the same according to the contract. So in one breath you say Sony isn't responsible and shouldn't be accountable yet in another you say they SHOULD compensate customers something in the event it drags on forever. You said this not me. Please make up your mind.
 
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