Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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jhmtehgamr20xx
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I guess we'll see this fall. Trends can easily change.
You actually think they're lying? Lol.
First Microsoft, now Sony looks suspect.
Well obviously it could happen. But I don't think it will. Too much headscratching over at Nintendo right now over what went wrong with the Wii U.
What are you talking about? Sony has always been about diversity. Even in the early PS3 days they pushed games like Everyday Shooter, Flow, Stardust HD, and Warhawk to the front. This "AAA" or die mentality has only recently arisen from console war nonsense.
So much this.
And they sold to a demographic that were never console buyers before buying a Wii and are now no longer console buyers. Nintendo Wii sold to a market that never existed for consoles and so sales were huge. Now that that particular market is no longer buying consoles, no other console will probably ever touch those numbers again.
For Wii-U, Nintendo saw casual gamers moving to tablets and so they pretty much abandoned waggle for touchscreen and failed to really grasp WHY these people enjoy gaming on their iPads.
That "blue ocean" sure dried up pretty quickly. Maybe the "red ocean" wasn't so dangerous after all.
maybe the vita, wii, and the psp? you're right though. it's actually a fairly difficult thing when it happens. the same is true of the dreamcast. what americans experienced was really the second wave of games hitting immediately after their launch, but for japanese gamers, it was kind of a dry first year.
What if I buy a AAA game at $15 6 months after release?
AAA publisher being kind out of the goodness of their heart. Cherish that moment.
Nightengale
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Sly? Puppeteer? Rain? Ratchet Nexus? And those are the recent ones.
Just because Sony abandoned some of their mid-tier IPs doesn't mean they killed their mid-tier offerings. It just means the money goes to different games, instead of Wipeout.
Possibly - altho my guess is they'll try and create something similar to PSNow and make it device-neutral where possible. You're right about the ecosystem - one experience of Windows on whatever you're running it on.
Agreed. If they can push the X-box brand as an entertainment content space rather than just gaming, it might carry it over into other platforms.
Given MS' moves to deeper integration between Server, Azure and W10 (which I think they're going to run into anti-trust trouble again, in the same way they did with IE being integrated into Windows); extending X-box as a brand onto PC; the coming of the 'internet of things' I think they're going to attempt to stay relevant in the non-OS consumer space as long as they can afford to.
so i guess that means it never actually happened at all.
travisbickle
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18.5 million is crazy. I said they'd announce 20 million by the end of Feb, half joking, I'll probably be right!!
I also don't believe MS are above 10 million, because of the wording in their mid-November PR. If they were shipping 11 or even 12 million as some suggest for Christmas, why would they release PR in the middle of November saying they'll "soon be shipping 10 million"?
I also don't believe MS are above 10 million, because of the wording in their mid-November PR. If they were shipping 11 or even 12 million as some suggest for Christmas, why would they release PR in the middle of November saying they'll "soon be shipping 10 million"?
JordanN
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That's what she said.
Dragonborn
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The Wii was also $250 which was pretty cheap compared to the competition and had pretty revolutionary motion controls that brough in people who would never have gamed otherwise. Comparing the PS4 to the Wii is a fruitless endeavor, as it's not entirely comparable.
Ravage_Hydra
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Congrats Sony.
Amentallica
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And what would be the point in differentiating AAA and mid-tier games from indie games in this instance? Do people really dislike indies that much?
Tallshortman
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No company randomly spins off a successful and core part of their business. Spin offs usually come because the division is unsuccessful or no longer fits with the company's business direction.
first, it's not like the wii was considered a slam dunk when people first heard ol' gamecubey nintendo talking about a remote control as the revolution of the game industry. the idea that nintendo could challenge on price alone had been run with the gamecube and xbox/ps2 and they lost big time, aside from a brief moment when the system dropped to $100 a couple years after it launched.
second, the response is to the contention that no one really played the wii, that it was apparently popular for some reason instead. i think that the amount of hardware purchased and the amount of software purchased in that time showed that quite a lot of people enjoyed the wii. in fact, i think these people enjoyed the wii so much that they wound up staying fans of games and got that kind of experience wherever they could find it. unfortunately for nintendo, it was not on the successor to that platform, nor any other, except the 360+kinect for a couple of years.
Excuse me but what in the actual fuck? When exactly has Sony ever given us reason to doubt the numbers they release? Who is more likely to be correct the company responsible for selling the product or some random forum poster? I think I'd rather side with the official source on this one and say you are just full of shit.
Whoa Ami I totally did not recognize you without your old avatar.
How are they selling in the present?
serversurfer
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Apparently, scarcity has led to hoarding.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
PS4 is 'touching' those numbers. It's not far off in total sales. Very impressive considering that Wii was both cheaper and also a phenomenon of sorts.
And we're cheaper
I see you are still have no idea what you are talking about
And wile it's true the Wii is still top dog sales wise it is totally irrelevant today with the WiiU.
Thunder Monkey
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We won't really know until the generation has ended, but I'd wager PS4 is taking the vast bulk of PS3/360 gamers in most western territories barring NA and UK. In NA it could end in a pretty even split.
I personally think MS is playing a dangerous game in NA though. One sales might crater by a significant amount with their recent price shenanigans. Consolidating around two months Nov and Dec in such a drastic way that it begins to represent an even larger portion of their sales than they initially stated. Spurred by drastic price cuts and incentives. Because of the preceding ten months of lackluster sales. They could get in a dangerous trap doing it. Like the Dreamcast in nonhilday months and Wii in the seasonal.
Conjecture until we've got more than one data point. We haven't even seen what kind of effect their pricing is going to have on One for the year ahead yet.
But I'd wager that PS4 is the go to console for the vast bulk of gamers by the end of this generation. Cresting 100 million units or just over in six years. A heavy chunk of that in Europe. Just about total domination seems likely there.
Good show Sony. Not opening the market to new gamers, but consolidating the remaining into your ecosystem is very smart. Very safe. But very smart in these turbulent times.
I personally think MS is playing a dangerous game in NA though. One sales might crater by a significant amount with their recent price shenanigans. Consolidating around two months Nov and Dec in such a drastic way that it begins to represent an even larger portion of their sales than they initially stated. Spurred by drastic price cuts and incentives. Because of the preceding ten months of lackluster sales. They could get in a dangerous trap doing it. Like the Dreamcast in nonhilday months and Wii in the seasonal.
Conjecture until we've got more than one data point. We haven't even seen what kind of effect their pricing is going to have on One for the year ahead yet.
But I'd wager that PS4 is the go to console for the vast bulk of gamers by the end of this generation. Cresting 100 million units or just over in six years. A heavy chunk of that in Europe. Just about total domination seems likely there.
Good show Sony. Not opening the market to new gamers, but consolidating the remaining into your ecosystem is very smart. Very safe. But very smart in these turbulent times.
Omnistalgic
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yeah, this is probably a really important money generator for Sony going forward. They are going to want adoption of all there services to shoot up. Problem is, Sony's services are still too fragmented and some need some UI overhauls.
Music Unlimited
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Definitely needs an umbrella for this stuff. And yes, 20 mil consoles shipped is very impressive this early. But if they want to own the gaming market and get anywhere close to PS2 levels of domination, I think more casual gamers need to become a part of the equation. And with how they treated Singstar, not off to a good start.
Morpheus needs to knock it out of the park.
wicked burn
The PS2 era domination will never happen but if Sony plays its cards correctly there is a possiblity of a PS1 kind of domination this gen.
BaraSailey
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Wow, those are some pretty impressive numbers. Well done, Sony!
Lmao we haven't received sold to consumer numbers since 2013
The number accounts for all active users. The influx of new users during the holiday inflates the number because they get a free trial. Sony would have to release numbers during the slow part of the year for a more accurate subscriber number. Still it seems like theyre on par with xbox live percentages. I'm sure they have no regrets about charging for online and probably regret not doing it earlier.
I never said they were lying. Sold to stores numbers are what matter to Sony because that's what they've sold. PR announcements from all three companies have a long history of not being the most accurate with consumer sales. Not claiming these are sold to stores numbers but the breakdown indicates it might be possible.
Microsoft is on track for at least 2.5 million sold nov/dec in the US alone. To think they haven't passed 10 million is foolish.
EmptySpace
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it can if they get morpheus out the door earlier that oculus and with the software that will take advantagr of it.
imagine them offering virtual tourism or live courtside viewing of a game. that shit will be huuuuuge. install a 360-degree view camera and stream that thing to millions of people. sitting beside the it actor/actress during oscar night, etc.
anexanhume
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Nintendo had no subscription revenue, lower ASP, no digital revenue, no free software, etc. Sony is also up against a severely contracted market in Japan. The situations are quite different despite being only a single generation apart.
This reminds me of something i read in another forum. People claiming that Sony was lying with their numbers to make it look that they have passed the WiiU in sales (this was like in June, back then when the PS4 and the WiiU were close in sales). I wonder if they think the same now.
the point wasn't that 'man the wii was sooooo much better than the ps4 because the ps4 sucks.' the point was that people were buying the wii in droves and probably enjoying it too.
SkeptiMism
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Wow. Sold to consumers. That's seriously impressive.
I do still wonder though if it'll be like console sales usually, that the sales curve will see a rise towards and at middle of the console's life cycle, or will it be more front loaded than usually. Either way, it'll sell very well of course.
I don't see why people feel the need to "but-but" his counter to such a silly argument. Yeah, there's a lot of things to point out about Wii (not in this thread though), but they're not related to what he was arguing about.
I do still wonder though if it'll be like console sales usually, that the sales curve will see a rise towards and at middle of the console's life cycle, or will it be more front loaded than usually. Either way, it'll sell very well of course.
Irrelevant. AniHawk responded to the argument that people supposedly put their Wiis in their closets immediately. It's a silly argument that needs to go away. As the stats show, people enjoyed Wii as much as any other console. The audience just moved to other places.
I don't see why people feel the need to "but-but" his counter to such a silly argument. Yeah, there's a lot of things to point out about Wii (not in this thread though), but they're not related to what he was arguing about.
Thunder Monkey
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I could really see something on that level.
One I have a pretty open field with. I need more data points before I can say anything. Because I can see it's LTD at year six being as high as 50+ million units (resting heavily on NA and the UK with a modest resurgence in other western countries) or as low as the high 30 million unit range. This time resting completely on NA and the UK. I have to see how much if any blowback exists from their recent moves.
PS4 will increase marketshare over the PS3. By how much I'm not certain. I know it's going to be the ubiquitous console of most of Europe this generation. And it's consistent sales in NA are going to get it to the 30 million unit mark at the minimum. WiiU I firmly believe will sit at right around the 13 million unit sold mark. It will sell around 7 million units in NA by year six with the other 5.5-6 million units coming from the rest of the world.
Just making roll call for RealPic GAF haha
The Artisan
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except the xbone did better than it last month.
i'll admit I don't knw too much about it.
okay, fine. so it sounds more glorified than it is practical. but doesn't the xbone have a cpu advantage over the Ps4 anyway?
so there's no hope for the xbone. that's basically what you're saying. what everyone's saying.
Nintendo has no idea how to sell home consoles. Sony did great with the ps1, ps2, they turned the ps3 around at high cost and have returned to great, almost effortless sales. Nintendo has had a severe downward spiral of sales since the NES with the exception of the Wii that sold mainly due to the novelty of motion controls. Now that novelty is gone. Here's to hoping for better luck next time.
Gonzo The Great
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Outstanding number, especially when you consider all of the "CONSOLE GAMING IS DEAD" rhetoric. I can't say I understand the appeal, but they deserve all of the success in the world.
Unless they've stuffed the channel sold to stores is all that matters. Is there any indication they've stuffed the channel which will take a long time until they're sold through to customers?
Welfare
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It's called guessing.
Also if the PS4 was selling 2:1 compared to the One in 2014, then the One sold around 7 million units to equal 10 million. Could be higher.