There are plenty of caveats when working on GPGPU code, but you don't have to have 100% efficiency for it to still be a win wrt frame times.
Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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There are plenty of caveats when working on GPGPU code, but you don't have to have 100% efficiency for it to still be a win wrt frame times.
yurinka
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PS4 is on Wii numbers (over PS2) until now but unlike it still didn't released any major exclusives. PS4 will sell way more than 80 million specially if WiiU and XBO doesn't make something that boost permanently their sales (big price drops, buy major publishers).
For this year there are exclusives announced like Uncharted, The Order, Bloodborne, No Man's Sky, Rime, Persona, multiplatform games like Metal Gear, The Witcher 3, Evolve, Batman, AC or The Division and console exclusive from important indies like Devolver, Jonathan Blow or the creators or Dear Esther to name a few.
And for later we also know there's stuff coming from Sony like GT7, a new GoW, TLG and new IPs from Guerrilla, Quantic Dream, Media Molecule, Bend or Sony Japan. Plus other exclusive games like Street Fighter V.
The first year may have been light in terms of exclusives and high quality games, but this won't last. In any case, PS4 sold has a tie ratio of 4.42 games per console, an insane number more typical of mid generation than from a year after release. So maybe you didn't like the game released these year, but the people who owned a PS4 bought an average of more than 4 games.
Not a huge deal when it's the place-to-be for multiplat titles.
ConanTheKing
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More than that now, according to a statement on November 12th they will have soon shipped over 10 million. I imagine the Christmas sales gave a huge spike.
http://news.xbox.com/2014/11/xbox-one-sales-on-the-rise
10.5, although it did launch late in Europe.
Lightning Count
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Doubtful, the PS2 sold 150 million units....
Don't see that record falling anytime soon.
jimbobsmells
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Yeah my (complete nonsense finger in the air job) guess would be about 12 million shipped.
No idea. There are things a CPU should be good at like branch prediction which was terrible on Cell.
yurinka
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This demo was from the AC Unity guys, a game that unlikely the other AAA devs in this gen struggled with major performance issues.
Stuff like cloth simulation can be done in the way faster GPU to avoid this issue. CPU isn't a bottleneck specially in PS4, at least for the other AAA devs.
81.8 million, attach rate of 4.42 games/console.Chû Totoro;146175275 said:
Darth Ghandi
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The PS4 is the first sony console I have bought. Always done PC/Nintendo but since moving into my tiny apartment i couldn't spare the extra space.
Very happy with my PS4 and stoked that they are doing well.
Very happy with my PS4 and stoked that they are doing well.
King Beyond the wall
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Killzone shadowfall, Resogun, Infamous second son (and first light), The Last of Us Remastered, Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3 is, in my view, a better line up than what you posted.
Additionally all the multiplat and indie games on PS4 are better than the technically poor multiplats that ps3 had in its first year.
How come? It's selling much more comparatively in a more competitive market.
Grinchy
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That's the problem with that announcement, though. "Soon" could have meant anything at that point. It could have meant after the holiday season. Hell, it could have even meant that they planned on having 10 million shipped to retailers after stuffing the shit out of the channel. We have no idea based on that quote.
I'm not saying I think that's true, I'm just saying they were being purposely vague. We'll have to wait until they announce their next milestone.
Mass_Pincup
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It's already behind the Wii iirc.
Well, considering not even the Wii could surpass the PS2 it is indeed impossible.
People take this "10M" as granted, but we do know that they shipped 7.x units at the end of their last published report (end of September), so it's extremely unlikely that they were actually all that close to 10M when that news was published. It was likely a projection including the entire holiday season.
Not saying that PS4 can reach PS2 sales, but I think 1 year PS2 sales are behind 1 year Wii sales too, so it doesn't necessarily guarantee anything.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
A smaller user base means higher tie ratio. The early adopters are people who are hardcore. I'm guessing people who picked up a PS4 at launch (or near launch) have a higher tie ratio than those who pick one up during Black Friday or get one for Christmas.
Do we have just numbers for retail titles on 360? PS4 number is retail + download, so it isn't a completely fair comparison.
But, to be honest, I don't remember if XBL was already big enough in 2006 (right) to influence overall numbers that much.
Bananajama
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Should get a MS update towards tail end of January.
Last year published on 23rd January.
Last year published on 23rd January.
we'll likely only get a X1 + X360 number
Yeah well, it's gonna be XB1+360 all over again.
Zeuanimals
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Same here. As far as I know, the PS4 sales are all a lie and I'm the only person in the world who owns one...
Phoenician_Viking
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Not according to the majority of gamers. It's ridiculous that people are still saying this.
Yeah, shipped almost 10 mil. But how many they have sold trough, 7 or 8 mil. at that time???
The Wii cost $250.
I just wanted to chime in and point out some of the disbelief over how many people ACTUALLY have PS+. There was some concerning comments about that earlier in this thread...
...Not everyone thinks PS+ is a bargain, or a great value. There are plenty who think the PS3 was the better console last gen because multiplayer was still free. There's also still a lot of happy PS3 owners in general.
For many across the world, PS+ was never perceived to be the 'value' many Americans believe it to be. Americans pay $60 a year and think they're getting free stuff... The rest of the world looks at it is, "Uh, free stuff? Um, can we have the drugs those guys are sniffing, because you're clearly not getting free stuff... and your value decreases with each and every month that goes by when you're not downloading a game you'd actually want..."
Throwing multiplayer behind a pay wall on the PS4 isn't helping matters of perception around the world, either.
The United States does NOT equal the rest of the world. PS+ was always held with some contempt everywhere else.
...Not everyone thinks PS+ is a bargain, or a great value. There are plenty who think the PS3 was the better console last gen because multiplayer was still free. There's also still a lot of happy PS3 owners in general.
For many across the world, PS+ was never perceived to be the 'value' many Americans believe it to be. Americans pay $60 a year and think they're getting free stuff... The rest of the world looks at it is, "Uh, free stuff? Um, can we have the drugs those guys are sniffing, because you're clearly not getting free stuff... and your value decreases with each and every month that goes by when you're not downloading a game you'd actually want..."
Throwing multiplayer behind a pay wall on the PS4 isn't helping matters of perception around the world, either.
The United States does NOT equal the rest of the world. PS+ was always held with some contempt everywhere else.
Stone Ocean
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Citation needed.
Kinda funny considering it was mostly Americans complaining about the Plus offerings on the GAF Plus topic in 2013/2014, compared to happy Europeans.
I'm French and I have always been very happy about PS+. There are satisfied and unsatisfied people everywhere, not sure how it's supposed to be a USA vs ROTW matter
PS+ costs $50 a year.
AmaterasuOni
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Middleground? PS4 being the leading console for all indies alike. Isn't that the current middleground and underground? PS4 has it all covered.
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No, indies are not middleground. A few higher budget indie titles are similar to the AA games of old but most are not. Plus you can get them all on steam and even a toaster can run them.
iceatcs
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That's because Americans likely have multi-sub > 5+ from tons of services. Hell I've heard they have to subscribe the GPS map.
EU likely have very few of them - Netflex, Amazon, maybe and local one.
AmaterasuOni
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Finn here and I think PS+ is the best thing I have on my PS3 and PS4.
samuraidino
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As someone hailing from the great nation of europia, I have no contempt for PS+ what so ever. It's a great deal wherever you are.... Except maybe the countries that don't get the bang bang violent shoot games from it.
Mass_Pincup
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Yeah no, it has nothing to do with being an american or not. A lot of people are PS+ members here in France, it's just cheap, you pay 6 for a month and you get access to several games. They were just to greedy when they put the Vita cloud safe and the Ps4 multiplayer behind paywall.
Darkstorne
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I'm British and love PS+. I agree the "free games" comments don't make much sense, but I'd definitely say the service as a whole is a fantastic value for money. Microsoft set the standard with Live last gen, locking multiplayer behind a paywall for server upkeep costs and what-have-you. Sony have just said "We'll match that, and you can download some games every month on top."
I'm fine with that. I pay yearly, so the cost is low. I get a fantastic online network that allows me to play with friends and family, share images and videos, stream games, watch low-priced movies, get regular discounts on purchases, all with zero hassle unlike last-gen (DDOS attacks not-withstanding). I'm fine paying a small amount each year for that upkeep, and the monthly games just sweeten the deal even more. Without income from PS+, I doubt they could keep the network running so smoothly.
GarciaHotspur
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" almost 10 millions " means nothing, it could be 9.8 millions or 8 millions....
AmaterasuOni
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So tell me what are the "middleground" games then. I've thought they're the "indies" like it has been for 30 years now. Games like No Man's Sky, Remember Me, Journey, Rime, FEZ and so on.
AnthonypUK
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As much as a i love Gabe, he doesn't speak for all of europe in his contempt of PS+
Australian here and i love PS+. Can confirm you have no idea what you're talking about and do not speak for "the rest of the world".
What on earth are you smoking... ? EuroGAF has always been very happy with PS+ offering afaik. I know I am, as well as nearly everyone I know around me that actually play video games... Even if I think it's somehow declining, I still believe it is a GREAT offer.
And BTW, what does this have to do with anything ?
AnthonypUK
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to get them in stores for the holiday period they'll have already been shipped by the time the press release goes out. this number has to include their holiday shipments.
freeofgreed
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I am American but I do somewhat agree with this. My issue with PS+ is that its a good service for those who want it. People always try to justify Sony putting Multiplayer behind a pay wall by saying you're getting a value that's worth more than your sub, but that's only true if you actually want the games you get from PS+. I rarely buy games from the PS store and even if I do download the "free" games I'am only downloading them because they are free, not necessarily because I'd like to play them. To me if PS+ was truly the value people say it was, Sony wouldn't have had put multiplayer behind the pay wall.
HazySaiyan
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Jesus Christ, 18.5 million in a year... That's impressive!