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[timetokill]

And a largely insufferable fanbase is going to be even more so if they do this.

USC got worse for paying Reggie fucking Bush than Penn St. will have gotten for harboring a serial pedophile.

NCAA is a fucking joke

USC wasn't paying Reggie Bush, they got in trouble for NOT KNOWING that a rogue agent was trying to get Reggie Bush to leave USC, and was giving his parents money hundreds of miles away for a house

For this ignorance, USC also got 30 scholarships taken away over three years, several years of being banned from bowls, and vacated wins

Penn State allows a child rapist to prey on kids and they get fewer banned bowls, fewer scholarships taken away, and now they might get their wins back

NCAA justice

 

[computers putin']

Those little children really don't matter to the NCAA huh?

 

[Westonian]

Did Paterno know about Sandusky and or the allegations? If yes, did he only report that info to the president and AD and then wash his hands of it? If yes, then eff that guy for eternity. He should lose his win record and statues and hero worship.

 

[whytemyke]

I'd be ok with the wins being allowed if the program was given a three year death penalty. I'd accept that.

 

[DominoKid]

at this point they may as well give em back. im sure they'd give the money back too if it didn't require coming out pocket.

 

[charlequin]

NCAA justice

In fairness FIFA, the IOC, and the NFL have all been doing some really innovative work in the "worthless garbage shitstains that make a mockery of all that's good in the world" category this past year so I'm not surprised the NCAA felt a little pressure to step their game up.

 

[davepoobond]

Vacating wins is kind of dumb anyway, but the NCAA is super corrupt so why wouldn't they repeal something like that if there is a benefit to them to do so at this point? No one is going to care anymore and football matters a lot more to some people than it should

 

[Stet]

why not just dig him up and parade his corpse around wearing a crown every homecoming

 

[SmackDaddy]

I called this guy dying within a year of this news coming out.

Man, some of you guys are crazy over this. He reported to his higher-ups, and is cleared of responsibility past this. Where's the "fuck athletic director guy" chants? Because he didn't go on a personal campaign against someone he was very close to, you all want him to suffer forever

I always thought it was weird that the fallout had to be felt by the entire team and school. Never made sense to me. The NCAA is realizing a man's name shouldn't be tarnished based on one thing he didn't do, but be remembered for many things he did do.

 

[whatsinaname]

I called this guy dying within a year of this news coming out.

Man, some of you guys are crazy over this. He reported to his higher-ups, and is cleared of responsibility past this. Where's the "fuck athletic director guy" chants? Because he didn't go on a personal campaign against someone he was very close to, you all want him to suffer forever

I always thought it was weird that the fallout had to be felt by the entire team and school. Never made sense to me. The NCAA is realizing a man's name shouldn't be tarnished based on one thing he didn't do, but be remembered for many things he did do.

If you find out that your colleague at work is raping children, please go tell HR and then go home to have a good night's sleep. It is HR's duty to report it to the police. And that way, your next month's paycheck won't be affected.

 

[Cyan]

Did Paterno know about Sandusky and or the allegations? If yes, did he only report that info to the president and AD and then wash his hands of it? If yes, then eff that guy for eternity. He should lose his win record and statues and hero worship.

This appears to be what happened, yes. He was told what was happening, he reported it upwards and then left it at that.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Man, some of you guys are crazy over this. He reported to his higher-ups, and is cleared of responsibility past this. Where's the "fuck athletic director guy" chants? Because he didn't go on a personal campaign against someone he was very close to, you all want him to suffer forever

I always thought it was weird that the fallout had to be felt by the entire team and school. Never made sense to me. The NCAA is realizing a man's name shouldn't be tarnished based on one thing he didn't do, but be remembered for many things he did do.

So you're cool with the fact that he reported it, saw nothing being done about it, and threw his hands up and said "Not my problem!" while kids were being raped?

:lol

Also, no one gives a shit about the AD or the school president because there isn't an entire cult trying to deify them after the fact.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

It's been awhile, but my understanding was that The Freeh Report was a rushed, panicked face-saving move by the NCAA. Clearly Sandusky is guilty of the crimes and some in PSU organization did not follow through on their information about Sandusky. But The Freeh Report was not necessary to establish that and jumped to some unsubstantiated conclusions. It's not clear if that report correctly assigned blame to the proper people at PSU.

With Paterno, it's unfortunate that he died so soon after and was not able to testify as we don't know if he did anything beyond reporting the incident to university faculty. It's tough, based upon what we know, he deserved to be indicted and to have his records stripped. But we don't even have the outcome of the trial against PSU staff and Paterno never had the opportunity to describe who knew what at what time. I'd say that they should at least take a fresh look at the decision to strip Paterno's records after the PSU trial and if new information comes out.

 

[robochimp]

I called this guy dying within a year of this news coming out.

Man, some of you guys are crazy over this. He reported to his higher-ups, and is cleared of responsibility past this. Where's the "fuck athletic director guy" chants? Because he didn't go on a personal campaign against someone he was very close to, you all want him to suffer forever

I always thought it was weird that the fallout had to be felt by the entire team and school. Never made sense to me. The NCAA is realizing a man's name shouldn't be tarnished based on one thing he didn't do, but be remembered for many things he did do.

As an educator, by law he has to report child abuse to law enforcement.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

To me it just seems petty and unfitting. Like punishing a child rapist by taking his bowling trophy.

I think the idea is that, following this analogy, the child rapist was getting away with it because he was good at bowling. Like everyone who knew let him keep raping kids because he was helping the bowling league win. In that situation, I'm a little more sympathetic to the idea of taking away the wins because it serves to send the message that you shouldn't cover these things up, because then you won't get the trophy anyway.

 

[SmackDaddy]

If you find out that your colleague at work is raping children, please go tell HR and then go home to have a good night's sleep. It is HR's duty to report it to the police. And that way, your next month's paycheck won't be affected.

Yeah, I agree it was wrong of him to not go further. That definitely would have been the right thing to do. I guess it just weirds me out the amount of aggression is getting directed his way and the craziness in erasing his legacy. I suppose I've been a fan of his since childhood

 

[kingkitty]

go

fuck

yourself NCAA

 

[AntoneM]

Penn state hasn't learned anything.

 

[GameGuru59]

Why vacate the wins in the first place? Its not like you can take the fact he won the games away.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Yeah, I agree it was wrong of him to not go further. That definitely would have been the right thing to do. I guess it just weirds me out the amount of aggression is getting directed his way and the craziness in erasing his legacy. I suppose I've been a fan of his since childhood

His legacy is the only thing you can take away to punish those involved.

 

[KHarvey16]

I wonder if they would show him any mercy if he did something really terrible, like using the school's water to wash his car without paying.

 

[Dragon]

Yeah, I agree it was wrong of him to not go further. That definitely would have been the right thing to do. I guess it just weirds me out the amount of aggression is getting directed his way and the craziness in erasing his legacy. I suppose I've been a fan of his since childhood

It's weird to be aggressive against an administration that hid child rape? Seriously?

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

You could kind of see this coming when they dropped the bowl ban early (which was bullshit). The cult of personality they run up there has a lot of sway

I think the idea is that, following this analogy, the child rapist was getting away with it because he was good at bowling. Like everyone who knew let him keep raping kids because he was helping the bowling league win. In that situation, I'm a little more sympathetic to the idea of taking away the wins because it serves to send the message that you shouldn't cover these things up, because then you won't get the trophy anyway.

yup

 

[DuffDry]

To me it just seems petty and unfitting. Like punishing a child rapist by taking his bowling trophy.

It's a symbolic punishment more than anything. Penn State put their football program's legacy before innocent children. They cared about those wins so much that they were willing to look the other way on that shit. So, it's a pretty fitting punishment to take away the legacy they prioritized over protecting kids from a guy like that. I honestly found it to be the best part of the hammer they laid down on them. It'd be a shame for them to change their minds, imo.

 

[whytemyke]

I don't get how being a fan of the guy is accepted everywhere as an excuse.

You guys' hero helped permanently hurt children. He was told about it and continued to let it happen. Fuck him. Burn in hell, JoePa

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Why vacate the wins in the first place? Its not like you can take the fact he won the games away.

You're right. They should have left his wins alone and banned Penn State from playing football for 5 years.

NCAA brought this on themselves by not using the death penalty in a situation where it should have been applied, instead they invented other lesser punishments just to avoid using it.

 

[whatsinaname]

Yeah, I agree it was wrong of him to not go further. That definitely would have been the right thing to do. I guess it just weirds me out the amount of aggression is getting directed his way and the craziness in erasing his legacy. I suppose I've been a fan of his since childhood

If his "legacy" is victories won by the football program, why shouldn't the heinous things the football program did be attributed to him too?

 

[SmackDaddy]

So you're cool with the fact that he reported it, saw nothing being done about it, and threw his hands up and said "Not my problem!" while kids were being raped?

:lol

Also, no one gives a shit about the AD or the school president because there isn't an entire cult trying to deify them after the fact.

Yeah, that's a hard one. I'm not saying what you're implying- there's a difference between doing what is required, what one is held lawfully accountable for- and what SHOULD be done. He did the first thing.

I dunno, I think I'm trying to empathize with someone who I've liked for most of my life. The people directly involved are monsters, and he acted in a terrible manner surrounding this. I don't think that makes him a terrible person is all.

 

[GameGuru59]

I don't get how being a fan of the guy is accepted everywhere as an excuse.

You guys' hero helped permanently hurt children. He was told about it and continued to let it happen. Fuck him. Burn in hell, JoePa

He reported it to higher ups, and its not like he did it himself. A lapse in judgment that has nothing to do with the fact he won games.

 

[HK-47]

Yeah, I agree it was wrong of him to not go further. That definitely would have been the right thing to do. I guess it just weirds me out the amount of aggression is getting directed his way and the craziness in erasing his legacy. I suppose I've been a fan of his since childhood

He deserves to have his legacy erased. He failed when it came to the important things.

 

[SmackDaddy]

It's weird to be aggressive against an administration that hid child rape? Seriously?

I think the guy directly involved should get fucked over for life, I agree. But ruining the players, the school, and Joe's life seems a little far-reaching. Man, GAF thinks im a child rape apologist now.

 

[JABEE]

Paterno kept quiet about child rape to protect his program. Those wins were obtained through the suppression and silencing of sexual abuse victims. Paterno harbored a rapist within his athletic program. He gave Sandusky access to more children and turned the other way in the name of winning and prestige.

Also, Joe Paterno was the most powerful and respected person at Penn State. The buck stopped with him.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I'm not sure "lapse in judgment" can be applied to covering up serial child rape for years.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Yeah, that's a hard one. I'm not saying what you're implying- there's a difference between doing what is required, what one is held lawfully accountable for- and what SHOULD be done. He did the first thing.

I dunno, I think I'm trying to empathize with someone who I've liked for most of my life. The people directly involved are monsters, and he acted in a terrible manner surrounding this. I don't think that makes him a terrible person is all.

Even if he wasn't a terrible person overall (debatable, but it doesn't matter), he still fucked up BAD with this situation. That's all that matters.

He reported it to higher ups, and its not like he did it himself. A lapse in judgment that has nothing to do with the fact he won games.

Sure it does. This doesn't get covered up and players no longer want to go to that school, so they stop winning games.

 

[GameGuru59]

You're right. They should have left his wins alone and banned Penn State from playing football for 5 years.

NCAA brought this on themselves by not using the death penalty in a situation where it should have been applied, instead they invented other lesser punishments just to avoid using it.

To me, this has nothing to do with the NCAA. Child rape (or rape on campus in general) is a law enforcement issue. These institutions should stop trying to deal with it because it makes them look stupid and inept. Its not their wheelhouse. Goes for the NFL too.

Sure it does. This doesn't get covered up and players no longer want to go to that school, so they stop winning games.

The NCAA has no way of determining what games would have been won retroactively. That's impossible to know.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

College football really exposes the NCAA and the universities.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

I think the guy directly involved should get fucked over for life, I agree. But ruining the players, the school, and Joe's life seems a little far-reaching. Man, GAF thinks im a child rape apologist now.

You're, like, the only person saying that.

 

[SmackDaddy]

He deserves to have his legacy erased. He failed when it came to the important things.

That's a good point. Put succinctly too

 

[xbhaskarx]

NCAA is getting tough with Penn State, under new guidelines their football coaches will only be allowed to rape two (2) little kids per season. Three kids if they're ranked in the top ten.

 

[SmackDaddy]

You're, like, the only person saying that.

*phew*

 

[Plinko]

NCAA fans are the worst in sports, and the NCAA is just as bad.

 

[cdyhybrid]

The NCAA has no way of determining what games would have been won retroactively. That's impossible to know.

That has literally never stopped them before.

 

[Ingueferroque]

I don't understand.

 

[nateeasy]

Vacating wins always seemed pretty pointless.

 

[crowphoenix]

Alabama had to vacate wins because some players sold back too many textbooks.

Child rape, mre, it's not as bad as selling books.

 

[GameGuru59]

That has literally never stopped them before.

They shouldn't be doing it at all because its stupid.

 

[TimorousPanda]

That's gross if true.

 

[Neuromancer]

He reported it to higher ups, and its not like he did it himself. A lapse in judgment that has nothing to do with the fact he won games.

'Lapse in judgement'? Are you being serious right now?

 

[metalslimer]

For anyone that opposes the vacated wins, you do realize that giving him those wins validates his reasoning for letting Sandusky get away with this?

 

[cdyhybrid]

They shouldn't be doing it at all because its stupid.

It's not. The cult-like atmosphere and putting the program above all else is why this was allowed to happen for so long. Throwing a handful of people in jail isn't going to change that.