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[michaelius]

^^ that's some nice hardware porn

8GB+ for the next Titan card is practically a given, but I wouldn't exactly say it's intended for consumers.

6 or 12 - they can't get 8GB from 384 bit card

 

[ashecitism]

http://wccftech.com/tsmcs-16nm-finfet-faces-delays-qualcomm-jumps-ship-samsung/

If you remember a month ago we reported that Nvidia is listed under TSMC’s partners list for 16FF while AMD was suspiciously absent. On the GPU front this development means that AMD’s decision to make FinFET GPUs at Globalfoundries will soon pay dividends. As the delays faced by TSMC will not affect AMD’s schedule with Globalfoundries. We’ll continue to follow this closely as it’s interesting to see how this plays out and if it leads to any competitive advantage or disadvantage between AMD and Nvidia.

 

[Ocho]

Have you tried overclocking/overvolting it and benchmarking it? That has helped me get my G1's coil whine to manageable levels.

Too bad mine seems to be on the losing end of the silicon/BIOS lottery. I can only add 60Mhz to the core clock and 299Mhz to the VRAM, but that might be due to the voltage scaling being terrible. If someone is a member of Overclocker.net, there's a nice set of custom BIOS on there that might help, but are totally unavailable to nonmembers.

I'll try this during the weekend. How much are you overvotling it?

 

[AmyS]

Almost forgot, the Titan Z (two GK110s) already has 12GB, even though it's 2x 6GB for SLI on a single card.

 

[JaseC]

6 or 12 - they can't get 8GB from 384 bit card

Ah, misread it as 512-bit.

 

[Kezen]

I would be shocked if the GM200 equipped Geforce cards (not talking about the quadro line) feature 12gb of VRAM.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

Guys I need some help.

I have had my MSI GTX 980 for months now and thought I have had a stable overclock time and time again.

I ran it for hours at a time on Uniengine, furmark, OCCT you name it and it has been stable but then I will play certain games and BOOM I get a solid colour screen crash (it will literally go a solid colour for 15-30 seconds before coming back into the game)

After this solid colour crash happens my clocks go back to stock so then I have to exit then game, exit MSI afterburner and then readjust my clock settings and hope and pray it doesn't happen again.

Currently I am sat at 122% power limit, 160+ on the core and 200 + on the memory.

I have had it running stable (hours of testing on numerous benchmarks) at much higher clocks (500+ on the mem and 190+ on the core) with no artifacta or errors showing in OCCT or other benchmarks.

The problem is fo example, today I have been playing minecraft with shaders, hardly taxing on the card but I have got solid colour crashes and have had to lower my memory clock, it seems stable again now but I doubt it is.

This keeps happening and it is f'n frustrating because everytime I seem to have a stable clock even after 3-4 hours of solid gaming I can get these solid colour crashes that throw up the display driver has stopped responding and my clocks go back to stock.

Also at this rate I am going to be at stock and my performance would have dropped so much I may as well of just not bothered overclocking in the first place.

My ASIC quality is 72% which is not fantastic but I would assume I could and should be getting better clocks than I am surely?

Could it be a faulty card? Or my power supply?

Somone help me it's driving me crazy!

The sensible thing here is to lower your OC until it no longer crashes or even run at stock. You keep saying "stable" but apparently it is not.

You have a 980, that OC is not worth it with that kind of trouble.

Don't get obsessed.

 

[Catrollinginthewind]

Is worth it to upgrade to a 970 even though there's a lot of problems? I was on a 560 ti and the VRAM went bad and now i'm on a GTX 275 on a 4790k. I know i need to upgrade but i don't know if its worth it.

 

[Various Artists]

Is worth it to upgrade to a 970 even though there's a lot of problems? I was on a 560 ti and the VRAM went bad and now i'm on a GTX 275 on a 4790k. I know i need to upgrade but i don't know if its worth it.

I think its most people being nit picky about coil whine. Id say its worth it.

 

[Catrollinginthewind]

I think its most people being nit picky about coil whine. Id say its worth it.

There are other issues such as the gpu only using 3.5 gb of VRAM instead of the full 4gb.

 

[Mad Season]

I think its most people being nit picky about coil whine. Id say its worth it.

coil whine on all 970 brands?

 

[Phinor]

The problem is fo example, today I have been playing minecraft with shaders, hardly taxing on the card but I have got solid colour crashes and have had to lower my memory clock, it seems stable again now but I doubt it is.

This has been posted before and it's still a relevant issue (low GPU usage on an overclocked 900 series causing crashes because while Boost drops clocks, it also drops voltage - but it drops too much voltage compared to clocks). Although I don't know if every card suffers from that particular issue.

Anyway, your symptoms go hand in hand with that problem. I fixed my issue by changing bios settings and flashing a new bios. It's not a fun fix but if it works.. (also I think you can force Boost feature completely off using some software)

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

Doesn't that make the point of me having the MSI null and void? I might as well have just got the standard card if I wanted to run at stock tbh.

Yes. These things are like lotteries, sometimes you lose. I bought a 4670k and it can't overclock for shits. I spent days tweaking and testing it but finally gave up. On the other hand my msi 970 overclock beautifully. So yeah, sometimes you just lose.

But of course there is a chance your parts might be faulty, in which case the only way you can test is to test it extensively at stock first. Then overclock ever so slightly, 10mhz at a time. But yeah. Bad luck either way dude.

Edit: ^ maybe try and fix that problem first.

 

[TC McQueen]

I'll try this during the weekend. How much are you overvotling it?

I've gone up as far as +50, but it doesn't really help. I'm currently at +15, which is why I think the voltage table scaling is part of the problem, because I had a lot of driver crashes before I altered the lower P00 and P02 from ~800Mve or whatever the value is for to 1100.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

Yeah I know what you mean, problem is the MSI is overclocked even at stock so it still happens.

I have disabled TDR now and am running kboost as a temp fix as I don't feel confident enough to go fucking with my bios for fear of breaking it all together lol!

Thank you for the help though.

No problem dude, I know how frustrating it can be so just want to save you the headache. I once got up 3 times in a night just because I heard my PC rebooting when doing stress test, fucked up shit.

I know that the MSI cards only got that new BIOS which fixed the fans spinning randomly, not sure if your card already got that. But the process is easy, take like 5 mins and that is it, maybe try scanning for it in the official MSI update. But there is always risk involved when updating BIOS so you can never be 100% sure.

Yeah, true about the overclock but my MSI 970 is also factory OC'ed like yours and I have no problem whatsoever. So probably you do actually got a worse luck.

But good luck with it and report back

 

[dgrdsv]

I would be shocked if the GM200 equipped Geforce cards (not talking about the quadro line) feature 12gb of VRAM.

I wouldn't. I would be shocked by its price though.

 

[Kezen]

I wouldn't. I would be shocked by its price though.

1.000$ Titan II incoming.

 

[BennyBlanco]

FTW+ 970 is up on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487090

$390. I'm pumping my brakes on this one. Might just wait for the 20nm cards or at least see what AMD is doing.

Guessing these won't be in stock long.

 

[Phinor]

Yup, just checked the voltages and this is the problem....so...how do I go about fixing this? MSI Don't have a new bios. How can I edit the bios so my voltages stay higher when not being used?

That's the big question. As far as I know Nvidia has not recognized this being an issue but as I said, it's been a while since I looked into the issue at all. Back when I did, there were guides in the Internet as to how to a) dump your bios b) edit a specific value so that your voltage never drops below certain threshold when the card is using Boost and c) re-flash the modified bios. Not a great solution but it works if you find a guide you can trust and actually want to do it.

Sorry, I don't have any links. I did this back in October (and initially thought that the fix didn't work but I'm pretty sure now that it does since I haven't had those crashes anymore). Hopefully there are easier ways to fix this now but as I said, I don't have any links/guides to share.

 

[TC McQueen]

FTW+ 970 is up on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814487090

$390. I'm pumping my brakes on this one. Might just wait for the 20nm cards or at least see what AMD is doing.

Guessing these won't be in stock long.

I'd just go with the EVGA SSC instead, even if it doesn't come with a backplate.

 

[jfoul]

FTW+ 970 is up on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487090

$390. I'm pumping my brakes on this one. Might just wait for the 20nm cards or at least see what AMD is doing.

Guessing these won't be in stock long.

I'm going to wait until the 22nd to decide. I think the FTW+ will drop $10 and have free ship at Newegg when it becomes more available. Might be better to just buy the new SSC since it's now $349.99. Also the $25 AMEX credit at Newegg.

Edit: The FTW+ backplate seems to be different from the 970 backplate offered by EVGA. I know the FTW+ has thermal pads on the backplate to cool the memory.

 

[The Janitor]

1.000$ Titan II incoming.

I've been waiting a long time for a single GPU that can do 4K DSR @ 60 fps in most games

If Titan II delivers that I'll have to to upgrade

 

[Kezen]

I've been waiting a long time for a single GPU that can do 4K DSR @ 60 fps in most games

If Titan II delivers that I'll have to to upgrade

How likely is it to deliver just that ? 4k/60fps on recent and near future games (especially if you don't want to dial down settings) is a colossal task.
I don't expect 4k to be mainstream on PC before 2017.

I'll stay at 1080p for now.

 

[jfoul]

Edit: Missed Amey's post above.

GM200 - More info and pictures here

 

[The Janitor]

How likely is it to deliver just that ? 4k/60fps on recent and near future games (especially if you don't want to dial down settings) is a colossal task.
I don't expect 4k to be mainstream on PC before 2017.

I'll stay at 1080p for now.

Twice the power of 970/titan would be enough

Right now my single Titan usually gets me between 25-40 fps at 4K, so double the power outta do it.

 

[TAJ]

Twice the power of 970/titan would be enough

970 dips as low as 17fps at 4K full ultra. And that's with FXAA. And OC'd to 1450Mhz.
And double 25fps would be 50fps. You also said "usually". If usually means sometimes under 25fps then you'd be looking at dips under 50fps on double Titan.

 

[electroflame]

FTW+ 970 is up on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487090

$390. I'm pumping my brakes on this one. Might just wait for the 20nm cards or at least see what AMD is doing.

Guessing these won't be in stock long.

Welp, there goes my upgrade plans. Probably will end up waiting until the 22nd to make sure nothing better is coming up soon, but in all likelihood I'll probably end up getting the EVGA SSC. $390 for the FTW+ is a bit nuts.

 

[The Janitor]

970 dips as low as 17fps at 4K full ultra. And that's with FXAA. And OC'd to 1450Mhz.
And double 25fps would be 50fps. You also said "usually". If usually means sometimes under 25fps then you'd be looking at dips under 50fps on double Titan.

Of course I don't expect every game to run perfect 60 fps, all I know is twice of what I have now would be enough for my needs.

 

[antitrop]

Went ahead and grabbed the 970 FTW+, even if it is a bit pricy.

I've been dying to get rid of my GTX 590.

 

[Dio Brando]

Went ahead and grabbed the 970 FTW+, even if it is a bit pricy.

I've been dying to get rid of my GTX 590.

going to sell it? or use it for phsyx just because? just curious
If i didn't need to sell my gtx 670 so i could get my 970, i would do that just for fun. seeling used cards here in brazil is so difficult, but i was lucky that a friend just had build a PC, and was interested in buying.

 

[icecold1983]

How likely is it to deliver just that ? 4k/60fps on recent and near future games (especially if you don't want to dial down settings) is a colossal task.
I don't expect 4k to be mainstream on PC before 2017.

I'll stay at 1080p for now.

you need 3x the perf of an oced 980 for solid 60 fps 4k performance at max settings without aa. We are several gpu releases away from that

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I don't think 3x performance is necessary but you probably want minimum 2x performance of a 980 to achieve a consistent 4K/60fps at max settings in most games.

I'm guessing we won't be seeing consistent 4K/60fps from a single GPU until Pascal (Volta) comes along in 2016.

 

[icecold1983]

I don't think 3x performance is necessary but you probably want minimum 2x performance of a 980 to achieve a consistent 4K/60fps at max settings in most games.

I'm guessing we won't be seeing consistent 4K/60fps from a single GPU until Pascal (Volta) comes along in 2016.

2x isnt enough, 3x really is the bare minumum

 

[AmyS]

NVIDIA GK110 vs GM200 vs GM204 comparison

 

[Unknown Soldier]

NVIDIA GK110 vs GM200 vs GM204 comparison

Yep, that's one awfully big die.

 

[AmyS]

I don't think 3x performance is necessary but you probably want minimum 2x performance of a 980 to achieve a consistent 4K/60fps at max settings in most games.

I'm guessing we won't be seeing consistent 4K/60fps from a single GPU until Pascal (Volta) comes along in 2016.

Apparently Volta will arrive in 2017 for the Telsa line just one year after Pascal.

NVIDIA Ramps Up Pascal and Volta Production – Next Generation Volta Arrives in 2017 To HPC FIrst

We have already heard about Volta coming in 2017 during the announcement of the two new supercomputers, the Summit from Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Sierra from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. This news just makes it much more official since its coming from Mr.Kenichi. While Pascal would replace Maxwell as the next generation node based on the 16FF+ process node, Volta will be launched in just a years lifespan of Pascal to update the next supercomputers with an enormous update in compute performance. While it is easy to believe that Pascal will stick with the 2 years lifespan of every new GPU at the consumer level, the HPC side will see an update one year earlier just after Pascal launches. In 2017, NVIDIA will ship both Laboratories with their new Tesla accelerators based on the Volta GPU architecture that would be based presumably on the 10nm FinFET node.

Rated at a peak performance of 150-300 PFLOPS, the Summit supercomputer will be based on more than 3400 compute nodes with each node consistin of several next generation IBM POWER9 CPUs and NVIDIA Volta architecture based Tesla GPUs. Each node will deliver around 40 TFLOPs of compute performance and is said to be enough to outperform an entire rack of top of the line Haswell based x86 CPU servers.

The most impressive feature about Summit will be that while it will consume 10% more power than the Titan supercomputer, it will also deliver an impeccable 5 times more system to application power than the previous fastest supercomputer. While Titan was rated at 25-30 PETAFLOPs, Sierra will be >100 PFlops while Summit will be 150-300 PFlops at any given circumstance.

While Pascal will aim to add 3D Stacked Memory designs with on-board and on-chip level integration, Volta will further refine this technology and support the new NVLINK tech which is the next generation Unified Virtual Memory link with Gen 2.0 Cache coherency features and 5 – 12 times the bandwidth of a regular PCIe connection. This will solve many of the bandwidth issues that high performance GPUs currently face. These supercomputers will alone amount to a major revenue generation for NVIDIA however the GeForce department still amounts to a majority of NVIDIA sales, what’s going to happen to GeForce parts during the 2015-2018 timeline.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-planning...e-tesla-line-pascal-2016-volta-arriving-2017/

So probably late 2018 for consumer graphics cards using Volta.

 

[Auto-Reply]

So that Volta stuff will deliver 4k/60fps?

 

[iceatcs]

So that Volta stuff will deliver 4k/60fps?

Three cards only.

 

[Human_me]

So i'm considering buying a GTX 970.

I came across this:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-...5mhz-boost-1317mhz-1664-cores-1x-dp-1x-dvi-d-

Its a EVGA 970 Superclocked ACX 1.0

Now it seems great for its price point and clock speeds.
However the one thing that bugs me is the cooling.

This has ACX 1.0 where as every other EVGA card I've come across has the ACX 2.0 cooling.

Is there any reason to avoid this card?
Also is there any gpu card you guys recommend?

 

[michaelius]

ACX 1 was quite bad I'd rather get this one:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-006-GX&groupid=701&catid=1914

 

[Durante]

you need 3x the perf of an oced 980 for solid 60 fps 4k performance at max settings without aa.

What a meaningless statement. There are plenty of games you can already run at 60 FPS at 4k on a single current GPU, and there will hopefully be ones where even 3 980s aren't enough at "maxed" settings.

 

[Pakoe]

So what about the VRAM limit? Any respons?

 

[icecold1983]

What a meaningless statement. There are plenty of games you can already run at 60 FPS at 4k on a single current GPU, and there will hopefully be ones where even 3 980s aren't enough at "maxed" settings.

he said for recent and upcoming games. it stands to reason hes asking what kind of horsepower he needs to run graphically advanced games.

 

[Parsnip]

Does anyone have the Gigabyte WindForce 3 variant of GTX970?
My current card is Gigabyte's gtx760 windforce variant and I've been happy with it, I'm assuming that GTX970 version is good too?

 

[Naked Snake]

Does anyone have the Gigabyte WindForce 3 variant of GTX970?
My current card is Gigabyte's gtx760 windforce variant and I've been happy with it, I'm assuming that GTX970 version is good too?

Not sure which one you're talking about. Doesn't the G1 use the WindForce 3 cooler?

 

[Branson]

So, since today is my birthday, I'm close to saying fuck it and just upgrading my video card finally. I have a $75 gift card for Amazon and was thinking about upgrading my 580 3gb to this 980:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NT9UT3M/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Any recommendations or any other card I should consider 980 wise?

 

[Catrollinginthewind]

Does anyone have the Gigabyte WindForce 3 variant of GTX970?
My current card is Gigabyte's gtx760 windforce variant and I've been happy with it, I'm assuming that GTX970 version is good too?

Yes, It's called the G1 though. It is a very very good card.

So what about the VRAM limit? Any respons?

I honestly don't think many Gafers know about this issue.

 

[Dictator93]

Has Nvidia been notified about this apparent VRAM behavior problem?
Is there a thread on their forum about it for example?

 

[Dries]

Hey guys, just benchmarked my EVGA 980! My score is 11022. My full report is here:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3825122

Is this in league with other 980 owners?

 

[opticalmace]

Hey guys, just benchmarked my EVGA 980! My score is 11022. My full report is here:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3825122

Is this in league with other 980 owners?

Your graphics score is ~14k, which is normal for a 980, yup.