ForsakenLotus
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Unfortunately I do believe the developer has a right to create the game just like KKK members have a right to civil protests, but both make me sick to my stomach and test my belief in those rights.
Hatred receives rare "Adults Only" (AO) rating from ESRB for violence and language
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Unfortunately I do believe the developer has a right to create the game just like KKK members have a right to civil protests, but both make me sick to my stomach and test my belief in those rights.
pinkurocket
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Did they really think they would get any less of a rating simply because there is no sexual content in the game? As if sexual content is worse than any violence this game puts out.
It's a violent game that involves killing people. Nothing new. This really shouldn't be 'banned from GAF' at all. :\
meanspartan
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This rating feels gross.
Yes, the game is disgusting. No doubt about that. Vile and awful subject matter that will be easy ammunition for the "games cause violence" idiots.
But we all know that an "Adult Only" rating is the kiss of death (Admittedly, perhaps less so in the digital age now). And given that other games have shown this same level of violence before, I do think the ESRB essentially just censored this game out of existence.
Don't get me wrong, this game SHOULD BE an AO rated game. But so should a few others I can think of that didn't get said rating.
Now I know the 1st amendment only applies to government trying to regulate speech and not to the ESRB which has zero association with government. But that doesn't mean I don't value free speech just because the government isnt the one doing the censoring. While the ESRB is well within it's rights to give the game this rating, I do think it is problematic.
Yes, the game is disgusting. No doubt about that. Vile and awful subject matter that will be easy ammunition for the "games cause violence" idiots.
But we all know that an "Adult Only" rating is the kiss of death (Admittedly, perhaps less so in the digital age now). And given that other games have shown this same level of violence before, I do think the ESRB essentially just censored this game out of existence.
Don't get me wrong, this game SHOULD BE an AO rated game. But so should a few others I can think of that didn't get said rating.
Now I know the 1st amendment only applies to government trying to regulate speech and not to the ESRB which has zero association with government. But that doesn't mean I don't value free speech just because the government isnt the one doing the censoring. While the ESRB is well within it's rights to give the game this rating, I do think it is problematic.
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It will be a discussion on the game no matter what. You can't discuss a rating without discussing about the game.
I personally would love to see a free discussion over the game, since the content, rating and publishing on steam are very interesting to look at and could have a bigger impact. I just wanted everyone to know what the official word is.
In so many of these debates, I'm always surprised at people seemingly being unable to reasonably deem what is acceptable and not.
It's only for the most extreme examples. And any reasonable person ought to deduce whether this is on the very extreme end of the spectrum. Just my two cents though. Why do people want to give this any oxygen of publicity at all?
You don't need to submit a game to the ESRB to release a game on PC. This is solely for the publicity of it rating it as AO. And it definitely qualifies:
"Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency."
NeoGAF is a website owned and paid for by someone. It's not the US government.
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the_batman
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it's up to Gaben.
Postal 2 is, yes.
Air Zombie Meat
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Didn't Gabe Newell apologise to the team behind this or something? It was something about it being taken down off greenlight iirc.
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Yes but so is postal and III
Riposte
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The ESRB is questionable organization, as are similar ones in other industries. Both in in their inconsistent methods and how they can be influenced. Would be nice if it didn't hold much sway.
"Obscenity" has always seemed really exploitable (and has a history of it), especially when it comes to voluntary services/products where you might think it shouldn't be relevant.
"Obscenity" has always seemed really exploitable (and has a history of it), especially when it comes to voluntary services/products where you might think it shouldn't be relevant.
My god, there is a third part? I didn't even know.
abracadaver
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yes. It's right in the OP
Postal is rated M
I play a lot of violent games.
Blood and gore, torture and beheading? Meh, just pixels.
But this game is totally different.
The game main influence is telling the player that if you hate something, and feel that the world is mistreating you, you should go on a rampage and kill people.
And if you give this game to a sick mind gamer that plays this game alone in the dark, and in a depressed stage...I don't know. The game might be a huge influence on them.
Oh boy, murder simulator will always be tied with videogame forever if this game was the reason of another school shooting or terrorist attack.
You're free to set up your own forum and enforce your own rules.
Air Zombie Meat
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oops, my apologies.
Backfoggen
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The Postal games are all rated M. I can believe that the devs thought they'd get an M too, because of how rare it is to get an AO rating for violence alone. I'm pretty sure they can't put the game on Steam with an AO rating now.
I had no idea Criminal Girls was banned from GAF. Heck, that game is even being released here with an M-rating.
The Smoking Bun
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Would Hatred be okay if all the civilians fought back with pipes, bats and guns?
Banning Criminal Girls is being a bit prudish though, it's a commercial release that will be available on the PS VITA
Banning Criminal Girls is being a bit prudish though, it's a commercial release that will be available on the PS VITA
Freedom of speech is not only in the US present. But for example in germany aswell. You could say any word on every television channel, there are no *beeps*
meanspartan
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I suppose so.
But that description can apply to a lot of M rated games too, making me think the ESRB differentiated based on WHO the violence was being directed against in the trailers.
Does shooting "bad" guys = M
Shooting who the ESRB thinks is "good" = AO?
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I thought is was always rated AO
but postal III has no rating from the ESRB. why?
It doesn't matter. You don't have the freedom on GAF, is the point.
Edit: I dispute your statement anyway. Doesn't Germany have incredibly strict laws against anti-selitism in light of WWII? I highly doubt you can say any and everything on TV.
You know people have said the same thing about movies right? And before that books. And not to mention trains! Those were way to fast and dangerous. People kill people not videogames. Your argument is like saying Islam makes people terrorists just because people kill in the name of it.
GAF is a forum owned by one person and he can do whatever he wants with it, and these are merely my opinions but going outside that, I don't think you should ban something simply because it offends you. I bet there are people who were deeply offended by the "No russian" scene from MW2, but it didn't get banned from discussion, did it?
But you can't show the cover of Charlie Hebdo on an UK tv channel. It's not banned, it's just that the channel decided to not show it. I don't like it, but people can make a certain set of rules in their own house.
Nope. No killable kids.
it's well understood that once you have realistic killable kids, it's an instant AO.
Dark Ninja
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Didn't know about any of those banned games thanks for letting me know Neogaf
meanspartan
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Freedom of Speech only means the government can't punish for, in this case, something you said on neogaf. (unless it fell into a category of unprotected speech)
Private companies, persons, etc, can run their forums as they see fit.
This is also why you can't go to work and say whatever you want then make a first amendment complaint if you get fired.
1st amendment only applies to government.
Backfoggen
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Probably because it sucked so bad it would be a waste of money to submit it.
You can kill kids in Postal 1 and Fallout and they are rated M. No kids in Hatred.
Tal Shiar Agent
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There is no Hatred within these walls.
Still, its a disgusting "game" that should get zero press.
bobawesome
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No Criminal Grills? From what I've seen of the game it doesn't look any worse than something like say, Senran Kagura. Is it due to the context of the game?
They cut content, which was probably the reason it got an M-rating. A similar example, Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude originally got an AO rating but they cut things to get an M-rating.
ElBoxyBrown
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I think it's more to do with the developer being sketchy about this game and why they made it then the game itself. If this was purely about the violence in the game then other games like Hotline Miami and GTA would have been put on the same list. And even then those examples are games that are more than just the violence.
Most of an explanation I found was
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120074281&postcount=96
Denton
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I know context matters and games like GTA or ACU are not strictly about murdering civilians as Hatred seems to be, but I still find it hypocritical giving Hatred AO when those above mentioned games allow players doing the same things, and even in much higher graphical fidelity, not to mention first person perspective in case of GTA.
Probably the fact a lot of the cast looks like they're 10.
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