See the part where you quoted me saying its not the same thing, that is my way of trying to explain that I can see how its not the same thing
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
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See the part where you quoted me saying its not the same thing, that is my way of trying to explain that I can see how its not the same thing
See the part where you quoted me saying its not the same thing, that is my way of trying to explain that I can see how its not the same thing
Okay, can you explain why it is any way analogous? If its not even close to the same thing, why bring it up at all? It makes no point. You are essentially handwaving away a problem based on the fact that there is less of a problem in a different country under different demographic circumstances.
BlazingDarkness
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Lol what the hell am I reading?
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There's no reasonable argument for this. It's still the world's 3rd largest economy and has a major presence in many industries and is one of the biggest providers of developmental aid in the world. Just because it's far less relevant in consumer electronics than it used to be does not mean it's irrelevant.
I think the problem is a little complicated. Women in Japan almost never have children out of wedlock. They can't sustain themselves or be treated well, so it just never happens. I think 30% are born out of wedlock in USA and UK...but like 2% in Japan. (Japan has low crime and poverty as well. And single moms are usually the poorest of any country because of...well, society.)
THEN, you have to think about the women's movement in Japan. Women can now have jobs and are loving it. And when they marry, they are expected to drop everything to be child raisers. None of the women want to do that. The culture is too traditional for them to want to sacrifice their careers like that. (Not to mention it's really bad to have half of your population staying at home anyways.)
So you have a bunch of women who know it's a death sentence to be pregnant without marriage, mixed with women who love their jobs and wouldn't dare give it up for a dude.
After watching the BBC special on this matter, the game "Catherine" made SOOOO much more sense. xP All they need to do is give women more incentive to have kids and a job at the same time. The work ethic is really high, but a parent needs leniency. If a women gets married and pregnant she puts a gigantic financial burden on the guy. It's just not right, the whole system needs to catch up.
Japan's population is projected to halve in 50 years. And then halve again in another 50 years. That's really bad.
THEN, you have to think about the women's movement in Japan. Women can now have jobs and are loving it. And when they marry, they are expected to drop everything to be child raisers. None of the women want to do that. The culture is too traditional for them to want to sacrifice their careers like that. (Not to mention it's really bad to have half of your population staying at home anyways.)
So you have a bunch of women who know it's a death sentence to be pregnant without marriage, mixed with women who love their jobs and wouldn't dare give it up for a dude.
After watching the BBC special on this matter, the game "Catherine" made SOOOO much more sense. xP All they need to do is give women more incentive to have kids and a job at the same time. The work ethic is really high, but a parent needs leniency. If a women gets married and pregnant she puts a gigantic financial burden on the guy. It's just not right, the whole system needs to catch up.
Japan's population is projected to halve in 50 years. And then halve again in another 50 years. That's really bad.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I would contend that being neglected by one's husband/wanting to find someone to love is a human emotion, that has no bearing on culture/race/creed. If a man neglects his wife's sexual needs/emotions based on childbearing, then that person will more often than not find someone to enjoy those things they need with.
Chinese/Japanese has nothing to do with it. When humans feel neglected by someone purported to love them, they usually seek satisfaction elsewhere, no matter what country you are from.
On the question of it being the best society in the world.
Chairmanchuck
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Actually the Sex-discussion (social) became a discussion about the economic state of the country.
It was just an example of you hear a lot of stupid shit and fear mongering about this type of subject. Yes I am hand waving away this subject, I in no way have any interest in debating it. Japan is a pretty awesome country that will self correct.
Yup, I already saw an article where Japanese companies are starting to look for top graduates in south east asia because they don't have enough Japanese workers to refill their companies. And they will have a big problem when more of their population gets older because they currently don't even have enough health care workers to take care of the elderly population.
I recall reading a blog by an American lady teaching in Japan, she lamented the fact that in Japan, Japanese guys ignored her regardless of how high she lifted her skirt or how low cut her top was. She grew very frustrated with dating cos of the constant rejection, I have to give it to her she was somewhat proactive in her dating and was actually making the first move, but it was weird to see a woman basically dating like the average guy in the west.
whatever77
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Your current argument is alot closer to the OP topic. Your original comment about Chinese married women make you sound like you just want to share some pickup tips.
Anyway I disagree with your comparison between Japanese and Chinese sex lives. What's so special about the dysfunctional sex lives of the Japanese is that many young people are not interested in sex. That's what's make it stand out compare to the other countries.
As for desperate married wives, there is a Chinese idioms says, "women like wolves in their 30s; like tigers in their 40s." It's an over-the-top saying to describe older women's sexual attitude. IMO It's quite common in different countries too.
terrisus
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She could have... Oh, I don't know... Told someone she was interested in them and asked them on a date/out to dinner or something ¯\_(ツ
_/¯We've been through this in several threads in the past on the subject. It always comes down to roughly two things: The economy making it harder for Japanese people to afford to start families (this is happening in the US in slow motion), and Japanese society basically making it impossible for mothers to work in the midst of rising female employment.
Chairmanchuck
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I still wonder why that is. I mean they have a really huge national porn industry. So you would assume they are quite interested in sex itself.
She could have... Oh, I don't know... Told someone she was interested in them and asked them on a date/out to dinner or something ¯\_(ツ
She actually did! Guys just kept turning her down
http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/
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well they probably have the industry as a substitute for actual sex for young people, i'm guessing
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airmangataosenai
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BladeoftheImmortal
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Well, they kinda tips, but that's why I focused on subtype instead of young Japanese. They have a completely different problem, which is why sunset gif GAF would be sorely disappointed. So I was only talking about neglected ones for a reason.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Your statements and opinions continue to get weirder and go further off the deep end. There is no logical direct connection between killing loads of people bombing the country and a few groups pushing to remove references to comfort women from textbooks. How does one part of this preclude the other from occurring? And that's still glossing over the fact that you think activists represent "Japan" as a whole.
And you keep referencing your classes. I can't help but think you're some kind of parody troll character trying to highlight the arrogance and self-indulgence of people fresh out of their first college courses.
airmangataosenai
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The notion that everyone in Japan is a virgin is also ridiculous. The average age of losing your virginity their is right around 20 (Or lower depending on the poll).
I also think it's stupid how the myth about Japanese textbooks still permeate (Citing Daily Mail.... really?). The textbooks that created such a controversy back in the 2000's were never seen by more than maybe 1 out of every 200 students in Japan. Reviews I have seen show that the average curriculum there does indeed teach about aggresive military tactics used in Asia during the war and comfort women. It doesn't spend much time on them perhaps, but I think if you asked most American school kids about say, the War of 1812 they probably couldn't tell you much for similar reasons. Countries may acknowledge failings but rarely concentrate on them as a focus.
I also think it's stupid how the myth about Japanese textbooks still permeate (Citing Daily Mail.... really?). The textbooks that created such a controversy back in the 2000's were never seen by more than maybe 1 out of every 200 students in Japan. Reviews I have seen show that the average curriculum there does indeed teach about aggresive military tactics used in Asia during the war and comfort women. It doesn't spend much time on them perhaps, but I think if you asked most American school kids about say, the War of 1812 they probably couldn't tell you much for similar reasons. Countries may acknowledge failings but rarely concentrate on them as a focus.
whatever77
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I can not explain that one myself. All East Asian countries including mainland China have pretty active prostitution business. Only HK make NC-17 graded soft porn movies and Japanese make pixelated hardcore pornos. I haven't come across any cultural analysis that can explain that convincingly.
Dude, respect the poli sci degree.
In my experience there are a couple of things:
1. After the war the Japanese government wanted a way to quantify achievement, a way to show that things were improving so they started emphasizing things that they could physically and easily measure. That philosophy is still very prevalent so most people judge how good a worker someone is mainly by how many hours they put in.
2. Combine that with a strong respect for hierarchy and you have a lot of companies where officially the knock off time is 5, or 6 or whatever but the employees are twiddling their thumbs waiting for their boss to go home first or some other senior employee to make the first move.
3. Little effort to be efficient and next to no internal review and improvement process in many companies. With a lot of very rigid top down management efficiency is pretty much an afterthought from what I've seen. Low level staff are not expected to be autonomous, it's all about following the rules to the letter. It creates a sort of efficiency in terms of something like a McDonald's where as long as you order something off the menu with no changes in a straightforward way then you'll get efficient service but any deviations cause the system to collapse and staff not tasked with helping will stand back and watch instead of jumping in to help where possible. There is next to no review, feedback and improvement system. It's probably too confrontational and flies in the face of the whole "don't rock the boat" style of Japan.
4. The company holds all the power. Japanese people are educated at home, at school and in the workplace to do what they are told and not question orders. Many don't even seem to come close to thinking "why" when told to do something. This is evident in so many ways. Guy comes to your door asking for money for NHK, you pay up without asking if you are legally obliged, doesn't matter if you never watch the channel or even if you don't have a TV. When the company bends the labor laws by not allowing you to take your full four weeks of holidays over the course of the year and won't let you take more than a couple of days in a row, you don't ask why, you just accept it.
5. The labor laws are similar to those in the States in terms of holidays, overtime and the rest as far as I know (limited knowledge) but the difference between having a law and enforcing it in Japan is huge. Many laws aren't even understood or known by the people who enforce them here. It works well enough due to the fact that Japanese people do what they are told without needing to be forced to.
6. Japanese companies have power due to the stigma associated with changing jobs. It makes it hard to not take any shit from your superiors in terms of the conditions of your contract when you are afraid to jump ship.
Those are my ideas on the situation as a long term resident.
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Wow, she's more than a little bitter about the situation.
I always find it funny when people take their very limited experience and then apply it to not only the entire country, but the entire damn region. So strange.
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To be fair, this is finally getting a lot better. Even in just the last 10 years, it's become far more acceptable, and even possible to change jobs. I know they don't represent the overall majority, but most of the people I interact with professionally have changed jobs at least once in their career.
CrocMother
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What do me and 50% of Japanese people have in common?
we're having sex
What industry?
whatever77
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But they also changed the temp job rules recently, companies that hire the same temp for 4? 5? years no-longer are required to converted the temps into full employees. So its like one step forward, one step backward.
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Deleted member 17706
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Entertainment/Video Games/Publishing. Also deal with a lot of retail buyers and other sales related folks.
True. The temp job laws are pretty bad unless you have highly specialized skills. At least you aren't bound by the crazy "stick around doing nothing until your boss" culture that full-time employees are. Then again, no insurance or safety net is obviously an issue.
Stereogatari
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Haha I watched the first episodeof this a few nightnights ago after a GAF recommendation.
YesNOnoNOYes
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This all rings very familiar to me *nodsnods
TheBryanJZX90
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It's also stupid because the exact same issue happens in America, with dumb Texans trying to whitewash American history and put creationism in science textbooks. (normally "but other countries do it too!" is a pretty useless comment when someone points out something bad, but this guy was specifically saying that America is somehow superior to Japan, and using the textbook thing as an example. Saying any country or culture is "superior" is a fucking stupid argument to make, btw)
I work at a major Japanese game software developer and most of the people there either came in from different backgrounds or from different companies (Sega, etc.)
The Power Of Snap
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I remember watching some doc on vice about how some women in Japan didn't care about sex but went to weird strip/husband bars.
Some of them were really hot but didn't care about relationships, kids and sex. Maybe it's what's coming next in america in 2050 lol.
Some of them were really hot but didn't care about relationships, kids and sex. Maybe it's what's coming next in america in 2050 lol.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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This thread was good, that mice video though interesting and scary at the same time
PeskyToaster
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Has this ever happened historically? A nation ended by not having enough sex. It's pretty strange to think about. It will be interesting to study for future historians and -ologists that's for sure.
As someone who's been living here for 6 years, studied here and currently works in this country, I have to say this isn't surprising at all.
The "too tired to have sex" thing might sound crazy to a lot of people (and it actually is), but when a lot of people (for example in the gaming industry) work from 10 to 23 every single day of the week for months or years at a time, and are expected to do extra hours and resign every last inch of their privacy for the sake of "society" (companies here are thought as societies, and they are actually written using the same two ideograms, only in the opposite order), being too tired to do the deed doesn't sound crazy at all.
"Pushing yourself" past the tiredness requires a great deal of effort and love that most people are not willing to do/don't have for their SO (also you need to understand that "cheating" is socially accepted and I dare say even encouraged).
If they were to enforce 8 hour work-days (as they have actually been try to do for a few years), people would just find a way to get around the law (even in this society that is usually called "perfect" by people that don't understand it or know it very well TBH), and, if they actually managed to make people go home at 5 PM, the economy would take such a big hit that Japan would be reduced to a third-world economy, as in most industries and companies all production goals are created with the unwritten rule that people will work 14 hours per day, 6 or 7 days a week.
I hope we find a way around this, because I personally would hate it if this country ceased to exist one day.
Let's get fucking, people...
The "too tired to have sex" thing might sound crazy to a lot of people (and it actually is), but when a lot of people (for example in the gaming industry) work from 10 to 23 every single day of the week for months or years at a time, and are expected to do extra hours and resign every last inch of their privacy for the sake of "society" (companies here are thought as societies, and they are actually written using the same two ideograms, only in the opposite order), being too tired to do the deed doesn't sound crazy at all.
"Pushing yourself" past the tiredness requires a great deal of effort and love that most people are not willing to do/don't have for their SO (also you need to understand that "cheating" is socially accepted and I dare say even encouraged).
If they were to enforce 8 hour work-days (as they have actually been try to do for a few years), people would just find a way to get around the law (even in this society that is usually called "perfect" by people that don't understand it or know it very well TBH), and, if they actually managed to make people go home at 5 PM, the economy would take such a big hit that Japan would be reduced to a third-world economy, as in most industries and companies all production goals are created with the unwritten rule that people will work 14 hours per day, 6 or 7 days a week.
I hope we find a way around this, because I personally would hate it if this country ceased to exist one day.
Let's get fucking, people...
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
BBC did a great documentary on this
I was getting worried after not seeing this posted after 6 pages (three pages for the pagans). It's nice to see GAF still feels like home after all these years
Dragonborn
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So with the hige populatipn decline what will realistically happen to Japan? Like, will they just adapt? Will they become more accepting of foreigners? How wi they deal with this
I had to see what she looked like to get a full understanding of the situation. She's kinda chubby (by American standards which would make her fat in Japan) and her face isn't particularly cute but I guess I could agree with her assessment that it's average. Judging by the post she thought her blond hair would make Japanese blind to her overall unattractiveness the same way the disheveled losers she sees are able to pull cute Japanese girls. I guess that's where the bitterness stems.
TheBryanJZX90
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You know, the hige population decline is actually a much bigger problem to me. Japan needs to be ok with beards again.
I was recommended by a Japanese girl to shave mine (medium - long stubble) only yesterday.
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