deltatheta
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I don't get why Japan is singled out for concern about negative population growth when most first world countries also have very low or negative population growth. Some are even lower than Japan: Germany, for example.
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
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I don't get why Japan is singled out for concern about negative population growth when most first world countries also have very low or negative population growth. Some are even lower than Japan: Germany, for example.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Im not even sure who you are talking to, but good luck sir o7
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That is exactly what you're doing also. You're hand waving away a very real problem and for some strange reason white knighting the entirety of Japan and their lack of sex
akachan ningen
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It's not really bad. It's projected to be around 40 million 100 years from now. That's still a lot of people. By that time, the population will start leveling out. Fewer people means a better standard of living for their whole country.
That won't happen. Western countries will have a similar problem as Japan with birthrates, maybe, but for a completely different reason (people will still have plenty of sex, they'll just use birth control to prevent pregnancies)
clem84
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What made Japan get stuck in such a do-or-die kind of situation where if they were to do normal 40 hour weeks, the economy would crumble, whereas other industrialized countries get by just fine with the majority of the population doing normal work days? I understand many of those countries have struggling economies so things aren't perfect, but they get by.
TheBryanJZX90
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No, I was making a joke based on a typo in the post I quoted.
They just need to be more open to immigration. For Earth & its environment, it's better that a part of the world is starting to be like Japan (declining population), they can just offset that by taking in people from countries who still have birthrates that are on the plus side of things.
Same documentary last pages gif came from no?
CapHarlock
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We all are...Japan is a sign of things to come many other countries are starting to follow the differnets is they are still getting immigrants to make up for the loss. Germany would be just as bad as Japan, US would not be that far off as well. Most modern counties are birth rates are going way down.
Well not as an info individual but as a society the lack of sex is worrisome. Especially a society as xenophobic and closed off to immigration as Japan. A continued low birth rate will be catastrophic.
Vicetrailia
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Why fly to Japan? With their attitudes on sex you have a better chance of getting laid nearly everywhere else (Brothels withstanding).
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Souldestroyer Reborn
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Damn.
I know where I'm going on holiday. Got some people to save.
I know where I'm going on holiday. Got some people to save.
Your ignorance almost made me barf on my keyboard.
Cheesecakebobby
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All those poor neglected housewives. Japan truly is a country of milfs, or at least childless women who could be milfs.
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It's not really bad. It's projected to be around 40 million 100 years from now. That's still a lot of people. By that time, the population will start leveling out. Fewer people means a better standard of living for their whole country.
But you have a very old population and who exactly do you think will look after them? What percentage will even be working? Severe drops in birth rates brings it own host of new problems so just saying most people will have a better standard of living really isn't saying all of the picture or even necessarily accurate if the economy completely tanks.
marimorimo
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That's an exaggeration- the economy won't take a massive hit just because people start working sane hours. The major reason why everyone is working so many hours?
It's what everyone else does.
In a society that values conformity above everyone else, people actually feel guilty for going home earlier than their colleagues. And depending on company culture, some people would actually have the gall to complain when somebody punches in their time card at 6PM on the dot.
It's why people can't take more than a few days of leave, even if they are entitled to it. Doing so is saying "I don't care if I swamp my other co-workers with my work while I'm away." You don't go out to bother or make trouble for other people. It's just not done. This is not really a problem on the company level, but in values of Japanese society as a whole.
In a way, it's a sign of camaraderie-- it's a way of saying to the genuinely swamped co-worker,"I'm here for you." On the other hand, it encourages people to twiddle their thumbs on their desk, waiting for the first person to clock out. It's all about appearance.
But I think in most cases, people truly ARE genuinely busy. It's true - the Japanese work processes is not very efficient, with the constant need for confirmations from a gazillion people before even making a first move, but it is ACCURATE. That's why service is first-rate in Japan (and they don't accept tips either). Ask a Japanese to do a certain job and they will do it EXACTLY as you asked - and probably even exceed your expectations. Doing everything to that degree of perfection requires a lot of hard work and time.
CapHarlock
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It's not really bad. It's projected to be around 40 million 100 years from now. That's still a lot of people. By that time, the population will start leveling out. Fewer people means a better standard of living for their whole country.
The problem with that is the only reason that number is so high of how long lived on avarage people are in Japan "I think it's the best in the world". So yeah your going to have 40 million, but how many of them are going to be able to work. There are more diapers being sold to adults than babies in Japan.
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/05/08/...on-more-adult-diapers-sold-than-baby-diapers/
CapHarlock
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For the record China starting to have problems as well
"China's labor force declines for third-straight year"
http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2015/01/chinas_labor_force_declines_fo.html
"China's labor force declines for third-straight year"
http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2015/01/chinas_labor_force_declines_fo.html
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Why does it seem like you always post in these kind of not-having-sex threads? Does it validate your decision to not do that kinda stuff? Not that I am labeling your efforts as good or bad as that's arbitrary bullshit, but I'm just very curious about it. Is it a means of justification?
As for one of the reasons - and I'm speaking purely from intellectual entertainment - how bad is their work culture? Don't they work themselves to death in order to prove their "worth" to the ones employing them? I recall someone at Studio Ghibli actually died of a because of how hard he was working. On animation, in his 40's.
Working yourself to the bone really helps wipe out the spontaneity of people real fast. You can see that with people who do jobs that are so tiring that on their days off they literally do nothing, as they're out of it physically and/or emotionally. This is an issue not limited to Japan, but could possibly be a habit more engaged by the Japanese, which I find puzzling when compared to the "you are worth how much you work" bullshittery of America's work imposition. I have a hard time finding the theme of sex as taboo, considering how openly perverted parts of Japanese culture really are.
Cheesecakebobby
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I want to say it's a misconception that he Japanese stay at work late because they have to. Sure, that might be the case sometimes, that their position at work will suffer if they aren't seen to be a team player but it definitely isn't the norm. People often WANT to work late. They actually like being with their work colleagues. If they are single they very likely are in no rush to return to their tiny quiet apartment. When it comes to those with families, there are those who do go home as soon as they can, and there are those who for whatever reason don't want to return to that situation straight away. Don't assume that office workers want to go home and make love to their wives but can't because they are forced to work, they are at least as likely to not want to go home because they prefer the company of the 'family' they have at work.
MichaelFassbender
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Alright, I'll do it. It won't be easy, but I volunteer to have sex with everyone in Japan. It may take months, or possibly years, but someone needs to step up.
akachan ningen
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Elder care jobs will keep up as long as the demand is there. They'll have no choice but to start paying employees more and more so that it becomes a more enticing job. And there's technology too. Elder care robots are already in the prototype phase from various companies: https://www.youtube.com/user/Diginfonews/videos
Like what?
And why do you think the economy could tank?
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Jaffaboy
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Fixed.
LOL
littletran22
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I'll join you mate, lets sex up dis nation! we will go to every single jap brothel until we get STDs
POWERSPHERE
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I too will personally pitch in and go over there and bone them back into the game. It's the least I can do.
akachan ningen
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and?
Theonik
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That industry is the product of the status quo, not the problem. Working conditions are a factor but also there are significant social issues. People are just too embarrassed to interact with people outside work.
It's a bit more complicated than that, they just find the process bothersome and embarrassing in addition to the ridiculous lack of free time.
Um, no need to use derogatory terms.
teruterubozu
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Considering Japan is filled with old people way past their sexual prime, this is not so surprising actually.
Theonik
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Yes, but the statistics for young people are also quite high which how you end up in this situation in the first place.
King Mystery
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If I was a black dude in Japan (or any Asian country for that matter), I would try my luck and hit on all the non-Japanese expat girls. The white dudes there probably pay the most attention to the local girls, while leaving all the girls from European (+ Australia & New Zealand) countries sitting alone at the bar. That's when I'd make my move.
I wish I could test my theory.
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It's like any other generalization.King Mystery said:
You'll find expats that get lonely and depressed because the country they live in is nothing like the country they would prefer to live in - everywhere - and of both genders, regardless of what that author thinks.
And that really says more about the individuals in question than the larger cultural trends.
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Does she have sharp knees too? That is probably why japanese guys want nothing to do with her.
You asked how demographic shifts can create problems. What did you think of the article? For one thing, if social pensions are funded by the present workforce, there is a problem when the population pyramid is inverted. You can't simply say that there will be more elderly care jobs and be done with it. How do you provide the same level of funding per retiree when you have fewer people paying for it and more retirees taking out from the system?
whatever77
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Nah. Japan is still a surprisingly very import protected country. If Japan actually take down the import tariff barriers that established originally to protect their small mom and pop industries, it can make the cost of living alot lower. Basically Japan has to increase the integration to world economic to lower the cost of almost making everything domestic product themselves.
Also, people confuse frequency of people have sex and child baring rate. These 2 things are non necessarily related. The Japanese government have to actually subsidize the cost of raising a child to encourage birth rate. This is something Russia is actually willing to tackle and Japan has done very little.
As for treatment to women, foreigner, employment practice and other long term cultural problem...I don't think the Japanese are willing to face the truth until their GDP drop out of top 5.
seattle6418
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Japan is capitalism at it´s worst. People only care about working, working and producing, profits... it´s not just crazy, it´s sick. Of course you´re gonna have a lot of problems when most people think it´s OK to work 12-14 hours a day.
The world used to be like this in the late 1800´s and early 1900 but then working hours started to scale back, laws were enforced and today the standard is 8 hours. It´s still too much. In the future we will probably see people working 6 hours, having more time to spend with their families, go to the movies, eat out, that kind of stuff. Japan is still stuck in this, for millions of reasons.
It´s not a surprise this is happening, the few japanese people i know were raised in this culture of work being the most important thing in life and not questioning anything or anyone. It´s really stupid IMO, but what can you do? They have their own vision, they think it´s right, so they shouldn´t complain about the consequences of a society that mostly based in working like a robot until you die.
The world used to be like this in the late 1800´s and early 1900 but then working hours started to scale back, laws were enforced and today the standard is 8 hours. It´s still too much. In the future we will probably see people working 6 hours, having more time to spend with their families, go to the movies, eat out, that kind of stuff. Japan is still stuck in this, for millions of reasons.
It´s not a surprise this is happening, the few japanese people i know were raised in this culture of work being the most important thing in life and not questioning anything or anyone. It´s really stupid IMO, but what can you do? They have their own vision, they think it´s right, so they shouldn´t complain about the consequences of a society that mostly based in working like a robot until you die.
terrisus
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Just because I don't have sex very often/don't have much of a sex drive doesn't mean I'm necessarily a complete stick-in-the-mud, looking to bring everyone over to a certain way of thinking and create a world of boring and unsexual people :þ
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No, it's really not.
I don't agree with picking apart her looks, but she really should have just written it as "My Experience Trying to Date in Japan," instead of trying to extrapolate her individual experience to all female foreigners in Japan (especially when she really means "white English speaking female foreigners"). I guess that kind of title wouldn't have gotten many clicks, though.
I'll post a little info on the foreign women in Japan thing. When I lived there my wife found it very strange and she had to adjust to it. I'm a fairly dorky looking average white, I am 6'1 mind you. My wife is very pretty well spoken has always gotten attention. Of the two of us she is by far the more popular. In japan however it was the complete opposite and it drove her nuts. She was completely invisible most of the time and it was a hard adjustment. I always got the feeling that Japanese men see foreign women as difficult. They have an entire nation of fairly submissive women that will take good care of you. Why would they want to put up with foreign girl.
Losing the little courtesies women get in North America drove her crazy. Not having men hold doors and all those little things. Many of the train stations don't have elevators so she was always carrying our son and a stroller up the stairs and no one helped her. Seriously the entire time I was in the country I carried more strollers and helped more women carry shit. Every women my wife saw carrying anything she was in my fucking ear go help that women, hold the door, blah, blah, blah. I don't blame the local men from ignoring her all they saw was her in my fucking ear.
Losing the little courtesies women get in North America drove her crazy. Not having men hold doors and all those little things. Many of the train stations don't have elevators so she was always carrying our son and a stroller up the stairs and no one helped her. Seriously the entire time I was in the country I carried more strollers and helped more women carry shit. Every women my wife saw carrying anything she was in my fucking ear go help that women, hold the door, blah, blah, blah. I don't blame the local men from ignoring her all they saw was her in my fucking ear.
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She's obviously not using the word "nerd" there in a positive sense as in well-read and intelligent.
Either way, I'm not going to say she's lying about what she saw in regards to below average looking white guys hooking up with attractive Japanese girls, but you'll see plenty of opposite examples, too (not the most beautiful foreign girls--usually white--being with what would be considered "cool" guys in Japan). Probably not nearly in the same numbers, but dudes who are attracted to foreign women definitely exist.
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