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[elder semen]

That's sort of like saying Lindsay Lohan is hotter than Jesica Alba just because her tits are a little bigger. I mean yeah, tits are important and all, but there are other much more important factors to consider...

The CPU power difference is very small and Sony will most likely make up that difference if they determine there won't be any long-term issues with a small overclock.

The GPUs on the other hand are very different.

Sony won't upclock the CPU after it's been binned already. What's "important" depends on the game. For Unity, it was enough to allow devs the headroom to achieve complete parity of even a slight favoring towards X1. I swear ppl here love to throw around blanket statements about hardware as if it actually runs games by itself magically without software being involved.

Every dev has different tech priorities which are based squarely on the game they are making.

 

[Omega]

PC was running on high with a 980, 8GB RAM and a Intel Core i7-4790.

wat

 

[cyberheater]

That's sort of like saying Lindsay Lohan is hotter than Jesica Alba just because her tits are a little bigger. I mean yeah, tits are important and all, but there are other much more important factors to consider...

The CPU power difference is very small and Sony will most likely make up that difference if they determine there won't be any long-term issues with a small overclock.

The GPUs on the other hand are very different.

Nope. Sony will never over clock their system. It's loud enough as it is.

 

[benny_a]

I doubt he's trying to make a point, and is actually just curious, because a lot of people (like myself) don't own a monitor, because our notebooks are sufficient for school/work.

I do want to ask something though. Is it generally simple to get your gaming PC up and running on a TV? Honest question.

Yes. Assume good faith until there is reasonable evidence that they act in bad faith.
Not everyone is in it for the platform warz, just like the person that was transparent with his PC build with the disclaimer "maybe I'm using the wrong parts" in every post.

Also it's quite simple to get your PC on a HDTV. Just HDMI cable and change audio device to the hdmi port.
Alternatively there are options to stream via Steam if you don't want the tower in the living room: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=969563

 

[kingkenny76]

This is getting a bit silly, so here's a complete PC specced out to match the recommended requirements for The Witcher 3, for less than €650:

(This isn't even going as cheap as possible on the mainboard and case, and uses a 290 which is much faster than a 770. Could probably get it below 600€ if you really wanted)

Ok I stand corrected but it'll cost more than that if you include OS, cooling, power unit etc which would cost the guts of €1,000 and let's be honest you picked all of the cheapest parts. An honest question, how much did your gaming PC cost? I bet you didn't pick all of the cheapest parts.

Anyway enjoy the game, I'm glad we are all getting the game so enjoy it on whatever your platform of choice is.

 

[Durante]

I doubt he's trying to make a point, and is actually just curious, because a lot of people (like myself) don't own a monitor, because our notebooks are sufficient for school/work.

My answer wasn't just saying that it's silly to add it for a console comparison, also that it's an almost impossible question to answer, since "decent" varies a lot based on your standards -- just like with TVs. The answer could be anything from 90€ for a "decent" 21" 1080p TN to over 130€ for a 24" VA all the way up to 350€ for a 27" 1440p monitor with a decent (by my standards) panel.

I do want to ask something though. Is it generally simple to get your gaming PC up and running on a TV? Honest question.

You plug in the HDMI cable. Done.

Ok I stand corrected but it'll cost more than that if you include OS, cooling, power unit etc which would cost the guts of €1,000

OS is 65€, all the required cooling is included, PSU (vastly over-provisioned) is also included. So that's a bit over 700€ with the OS, still less than half of your initial claim.

and let's be honest you picked all of the cheapest parts.

No, I didn't. As I say in my post, you could go much cheaper on e.g. the mainboard.

An honest question, how much did your gaming PC cost?

Why does it matter?

 

[MMaRsu]

I'm still an Xbot. I think I always will be. But I choose PS4 this time around due to Microsofts hardware decisions.
I still tend to fight the Xbox corner though. Yes. I know. I'm confused and conflicted and well... Human.

Well at least you chose the better hardware to actually play games on though. Just as how the 360 was probably the best place to play games on last gen. No harm in admitting that .

 

[elder semen]

Don't forget the "PS4's CPU is slower than the XBO's CPU" argument either....Ubisoft started it, and then it took off.

What? You talk of propaganda but here you straight up made this up out of whole cloth. What's that about??

MS announced X1's CPU was 1.75 GHz. The recent leak by H4LT showed that MS also opened up 50%-80% of the 7th CPU core to them. Sony's own dev documents, as well as their own first party devs have confirmed PS4's CPU is 1.6 GHz and 6 CPU cores.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

This seems about right when factoring in the power difference.

Although I have to say, the X1 footage released today (it was X1 right?) looked very impressive. Very excited to see how much better the PS4 version looks by comparison.

 

[Kezen]

Ok I stand corrected but it'll cost more than that if you include OS, cooling, power unit etc which would cost the guts of €1,000 and let's be honest you picked all of the cheapest parts. An honest question, how much did your gaming PC cost? I bet you didn't pick all of the cheapest parts.

Goalpost moving now ?
You never asked for anything more than the recommended specs. This is what he did. This is a PC matching what CDPR consider to be the recommended specs. It's wholly irrelevant what the price of his personal gaming PC is, it does not belong to this discussion.

 

[Primethius]

This seems about right when factoring in the power difference.

Although I have to say, the X1 footage released today (it was X1 right?) looked very impressive. Very excited to see how much better the PS4 version looks by comparison.

It was PC on High.

 

[martino]

Yup, most (if not all) cards have an HDMI port on them now.



The content of this thread, the OP, is based on news of the Xbox One and PS4 version resolution and framerates. I am not spinning anything.

Also I have a very vested interest in the PC version of the game:

that's only because you only read the title....

 

[Miles Quaritch]

It was PC on High.

Oh, well that's somewhat disappointing.

 

[Radec]

The fuck just happened on this thread.

Derailed to oblivion.

 

[kingkenny76]

I don't think that really matters--even if you just say new video card then it's €249? (On mobile, so harder to see). That really what I'd expect, it's nowhere near break the bank.

But recommended doesn't necessairly get you the image shown, and I think that's his point. They're running a 980 setup, so if you want that Ultra-ish image, things will get pricey. Nothing wrong with it, and it would be a strange world where a 300-500 card can't actually beat the PS4.

But not everyone is going to bother with the price and setup, so it's a moot point for them, they don't care. Attempting to make them care is usually where things go off the rails, and people get annoyed, etc.

Sticking to only one platform to play games is basically impossible if you enjoy multiple types. Consoles don't have DOTA 2, PC doesn't have Uncharted or Mario. Need more than one in my eyes.

This.

 

[CambriaRising]

that's only because you only read the title....

Uh no. You can stop now.

you're funny

You aren't.

 

[Alpende]

Man even if I had a Xbone I wouldn't care. I just want to play this

 

[martino]

Uh no. You can stop now.

you're funny http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-w...el/the_witcher_3_wild_hunt,49062,3082308.html
word count :
pc : 20
ps4 : 9
xbox : 7

lot of info on all version
and ot speak about pc. have you read it ?

 

[Corgi]

Do they not have a pc running on Ultra at that event?

 

[Chobel]

This seems about right when factoring in the power difference.

Although I have to say, the X1 footage released today (it was X1 right?) looked very impressive. Very excited to see how much better the PS4 version looks by comparison.

No, PC footage.

 

[SnowFlakeCake]

Or watch some people make up absurd prices as a coping mechanism. It's certainly entertaining.

I'm curious then, what kinda price we talking to build a PC that would easily preform better than the PS4, even marginally so? I'm thinking of getting a gaming rig caus why the fuck not.

 

[benny_a]

you're funny http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-w...el/the_witcher_3_wild_hunt,49062,3082308.html
word count :
pc : 20
ps4 : 9
xbox : 7

lot of info on all version
and ot speak about pc. have you read it ?

The quotes in the number one post and the thread title all point towards this being a thread about the console versions.

Basically you're just wrong and that you go to such lengths to twist the contents of the number one post is just sad.

Do they not have a pc running on Ultra at that event?

No, Ultra wasn't "optimized yet". Previewers were also not allowed in the big city (cities) for the same reason.

 

[Kezen]

I'm curious then, what kinda price we talking to build a PC that would easily preform better than the PS4, even marginally so? I'm thinking of getting a gaming rig caus why the fuck not.

Ask here :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944920&page=82

 

[tcrunch]

But recommended doesn't necessairly get you the image shown, and I think that's his point. They're running a 980 setup, so if you want that Ultra-ish image, things will get pricey. Nothing wrong with it, and it would be a strange world where a 300-500 card can't actually beat the PS4.

Did CDPR say what recommended means you can run? Medium or high settings?

I feel like if you can't get super-ultra-max everything on a PC you might as well get the console version. If I have this conversion right, Durante's set-up costs $720.97 vs. a $400 PS4, and I am not sure how long it would last you. My PC I bought 2 years ago can't run this game at the recommended specs (I think it just squeaks in on minimums).

Since a console never upgrades you can play anything that releases on it for the entire generation. To have the very best on PC your machine will not only cost more but need to be updated more often. And to me, having the very best in graphics is the main strength in PC versus console gaming.

Obviously misrepresenting the prices of PC parts is silly, but the system does seem to cost a lot more over time. And if I can't meet those costs then it is better to play on a console. This isn't to say the console is better, but that one of the merits it holds over a PC is cost/time, even if the PC parts are being honestly represented.

Also I'm pretty bummed I can't play this on my PC.

 

[SRTtoZ]

This seems about right when factoring in the power difference.

Although I have to say, the X1 footage released today (it was X1 right?) looked very impressive. Very excited to see how much better the PS4 version looks by comparison.

PC footage I think. I need to see the console running in action before I make up my mind.

 

[Durante]

I'm curious then, what kinda price we talking to build a PC that would easily preform better than the PS4, even marginally so? I'm thinking of getting a gaming rig caus why the fuck not.

As laid out above, 705€, including 65€ for a Windows 8 license, for a system with a CPU and GPU more than twice as fast as PS4.

Honestly, if you were going to buy I'd get an SSD for the OS install instead of the included HDD though, and 16 GB memory. Pushing the price up to around €800.

For details, go visit the I need a new PC! thread.

 

[charsace]

OP the textures could be the same, but the resolution difference would of course make the PS4 textures look better. And the same could be said for the PS4 vs PC.

 

[kingkenny76]

Goalpost moving now ?
You never asked for anything more than the recommended specs. This is what he did. This is a PC matching what CDPR consider to be the recommended specs. It's wholly irrelevant what the price of his personal gaming PC is, it does not belong to this discussion.

What? How is this moving the goalposts?
I said I stand corrected but you can't just tape a couple batteries to that lot and hope they work. I said earlier that I didn't include cooling etc. so I'm hardly moving goalposts.
I said it would cost €1,500 but he got it €650 with no power supply, OS etc which would run the guts of €1,000 so I was wrong it won't cost €1,500 but nearer to €1,000 for one of the cheapest solutions.
The question I asked about his setup is relevant, if he picked better hardware than listed it is entirely relevant.

 

[Krusenstern]

Well you have the addition of all the Nvidia, PC exclusive effects too

Let's be realistic, it's CDProjekt so the PC version will probably be much greater than it's console counterparts

All that shabam. Wonder if footprints will show up on snow.

 

[Loakum]

1080p OH YEAH!!!

 

[martino]

The quotes in the number one post and the thread title all point towards this being a thread about the console versions.

Basically you're just wrong and that you go to such lengths to twist the contents of the number one post is just sad.

i know but it is not more sad that so much infos on all version is only turn in a ps4 resolution superiority thread ?

 

[hipbabboom]

1080p OH YEAH!!!

This made my day


Thank you <3

 

[Xaero Gravity]

1080p OH YEAH!!!

Wtf...

 

[Nzyme32]

wat

Not to be mistaken with requiring those specs to achieve "high" presets, when ultra apparently will also run on the same hardware - as it says in the OP article.

 

[Kezen]

Did CDPR what recommended means you can run? Medium or high settings?

Better than any console, without a doubt. Just look at the recommended specs. Have you ever seen a 290 struggling to do as well as a PS4 ? The Witcher 3 won't be an edge case.

I feel like if you can't get super-ultra-max everything on a PC you might as well get the console version.

You are entitled to think that but I completely disagree. There is a very large gap between maxing out games and outperforming consoles with ease. You don't need to "max out" graphically intensive releases to have a better experience than any console can offer.

Since a console never upgrades you can play anything that releases on it for the entire generation. To have the very best on PC your machine will not only cost more but need to be updated more often. And to me, having the very best in graphics is the main strength in PC versus console gaming.

The upgrading part is a variable. It completely depends on your own standards and how much you are willing to pay for the best of the best. Some PC gamers don't feel the need to chase the highest end visuals or framerate and therefore their PC can last as long as any console.
If you built your machine two years ago and do not meet the minimum specs I have to say that you have chosen very poor parts. TW3's minimum specs are very modest.

 

[Durante]

I said it would cost €1,500 but he got it €650 with no power supply, OS etc which would run the guts of €1,000 so I was wrong

You should really stop repeating this misinformation. It does include a power supply (an over-provisioned one at 600W actually), and adding in the OS puts the total cost at 705€, still less than half of your initial claim.

 

[benny_a]

i know but it is not more sad that so much infos on all version is only turn in a ps4 resolution superiority thread ?

Yes. This is the NeoGAF equivalent of a click bait thread.

And yet we're still participating because the absurdity of it all has pulled us in.

 

[Jabba]

That's the first thing I did. The poster in question insisted on recommended specs and 1500€. So I provided some more detail.

Devastating detail.

I don't know, how much does a decent TV cost?

Doesn't the 290 have a tv out like many Nvidia models? If so why even add cost of monitor? Not only that but you'd also be covering another ignored aspect of building this pc. Like, actually playing pc games on the couch. Albeit, maybe with a little more effort it's quite possible.

The whole spend a ton to get better than console to play on a monitor is myth. Has been for a while.

 

[Kezen]

What? How is this moving the goalposts?
I said I stand corrected but you can't just tape a couple batteries to that lot and hope they work. I said earlier that I didn't include cooling etc. so I'm hardly moving goalposts.
I said it would cost €1,500 but he got it €650 with no power supply, OS etc which would run the guts of €1,000 so I was wrong it won't cost €1,500 but nearer to €1,000 for one of the cheapest solutions.
The question I asked about his setup is relevant, if he picked better hardware than listed it is entirely relevant.

His build includes a PSU and what cooling do you seriously need ? CPU do have stock coolers, same goes for GPUs.

All that shabam. Wonder if footprints will show up on snow.

Probably not. Or it won't be true displacement, just a decal.
Few games have snow displacement, Assassin's Creed III (PC) and Batman AO are the two springing to mind.

 

[kitch9]

Sony won't upclock the CPU after it's been binned already. What's "important" depends on the game. For Unity, it was enough to allow devs the headroom to achieve complete parity of even a slight favoring towards X1. I swear ppl here love to throw around blanket statements about hardware as if it actually runs games by itself magically without software being involved.

Every dev has different tech priorities which are based squarely on the game they are making.

This guy is gold.

 

[Krusenstern]

Probably not. Or it won't be true displacement, just a decal.
Few games have snow displacement, Assassin's Creed III (PC) and Batman AO are the two springing to mind.

I would be already happy with simple decals. Was staggered when I noticed you don't leave snow prints in Skyrim.

 

[Kezen]

I would be already happy with simple decals. Was staggered when I noticed you don't leave snow prints in Skyrim.

I won't lose sleep over that to be honest. It's just a detail.

 

[tcrunch]

If you built your machine two years ago and do not meet the minimum specs I have to say that you have chosen very poor parts. TW3's minimum specs are very modest.

I don't doubt it, my friend picked the parts for me. You can see my own attempt at picking out parts right here.

Anyway, to be on topic and less shameful, woo 1080p on PS4!

 

[JJD]

That's the first thing I did. The poster in question insisted on recommended specs and 1500€. So I provided some more detail.

Devastating detail.

I don't know, how much does a decent TV cost?

Most people already have TVs at home. I think his question was sincere.

 

[Krusenstern]

I won't lose sleep over that to be honest. It's just a detail.

I know. Most won't care and I can't blame them. It's just that I'm a fucking freak when it comes to this.

 

[Melchiah]

I previously heard the PS4 version was going to run at 900p, so this is fucking great news.

Agreed. This might actually make me buy the game at full price, as they've apparently taken a full advantage of the hardware available as well.

 

[Corgi]

You people are paying way too much for a windows license. Just saying.

 

[neogaffer1]

Did it? or joke post?

Do you have the exact quote from the leaked XDK?

I'm just going off what kampfheld said here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870776

he also posted some cloud stuff there, I recommend any doubters checking it out.

From the XDK leak thread:

Compute/Cloud Power is still there. There is a whole section of the SDK dedicated to it.

Xbox Live Compute (XLC) is a suite of server technologies that empowers game creators to deliver breakthrough online gaming experiences at epic scale. The primary goals and objectives of the platform are to:

Deliver lower-cost, on-demand, game-enhancing services for developers.
Extend the capabilities of gaming devices for improved game experiences.
Deliver optimal user experiences from one of 12 datacenters on 5 continents.
We provide these services because we believe that computing power and services in the cloud enable the creation of gaming experiences that simply could not be built if limited by the resources of a single device. Some examples of scenarios that are encouraged uses of Xbox Live Compute include:

Dedicated game servers
Larger game worlds
Larger player communities
More AI or NPCs in the environment
Larger, more detailed maps
Evolutionary AI
Learning, adaptive AI
Adapting, changing environments
This service is available for use on Xbox and non-Xbox platforms. Policies for use on Xbox One are discussed below. Usage on non-Xbox One platforms is available for purchase using a pay-as-you-go model with Microsoft Azure.

Another interesting tidbit. Looks like its free for XBO users and pay as you go for other platforms

That's what I was going off of, but then I just read this post (while looking for the above to quote) a few posts later:

The language is really confusing around it. They say you can use the service without charge based on following certain policies and then the language gets confusing.

At one point they mention getting a discounted Enterprise agreement.

What is interesting is they lay out the number of expected cores needed for a player count and there is a 128+ section.

So maybe not? Sorry if I was wrong.

Edit:

It is free for 4 - 32 players:

On Xbox One, we provide Xbox Live Compute to developers/publishers who are already using Xbox Live services. The use of the service without charge is predicated upon following the policies mentioned below. We currently offer a dedicated amount of computation per game session based on the size of the session or player count. The following describes those policies.

I'm so confused right now. I'd only read the first post I quoted before.

 

[Smokey]

How much extra would a decent monitor add?

How much would a decent TV add for consoles?

 

[Inuhanyou]

This guy is gold.

Although the PS4 CPU will never be upclocked, that doesn't mean core reservation for games has to stay the same if they can optimize the OS to run on one. Software upgrades are still upgrades after