Interceptor
Banned
So its vastly different from Witcher 1 & 2 then?
Witcher 3 quest designer: DA Inquisition is a good game, but too many fetch quests
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flaxknuckles
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None of the side quests in Dragon Age Inquisition were good.
Denton
Member
I knew there would be posts like this if I didn't include the disclaimer in the OP:
(they asked him, so it is not him shitting on other games for no reason)
I included it, in bold, and we still get this kind of shit. And it is not even true - their PR is not trashing other RPGs. They get asked about them, and they provide their (actually correct) opinion.
I don't understand what you mean here. What makes you concerned ? And where is he talking about combat ?
BRocknRolla
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This is exactly how I feel. DA:I is *almost* a good game. Tons of good ideas and good plot lines, but all of it bogged down by too many bloated quests without meaningful outcomes. (That and the characters are on the whole weaker than DA:O, even if a couple are very strong.)
Loved NV, so I hope it all bodes well.
Agreed. It's a dishonest deflection. Sure, you don't need to do them all, and you absolutely shouldn't since the game actually makes up needless fetch quests. But you still have to do many of them to unlock missions and new areas.
Such as?
LegendofDragoonLives
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I wonder if DAI would even be a nominee this year for GOTY had it released in 2015. The quality between 14' and 15' looks incredible.
Lol, brilliant.
Not really. Not unless you have a rather expansive definition of "fetch quest", anyway. Power is handed out like candy.
(Though you do need to do an annoying fetch quest to get your Specialisation, which is dumb)
Haunted
Member
How dare this CDP guy criticise all the excellent side quests in DA:I!
... nevermind.
It shouldn't have been a nominee for 2014 RPGs either.
It would still be in any year, because EA, Bioware, and ethics in game journalism.
LurkerPrime
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There are MMO-esque regional questlines that involve such things as: killing x enemies, going to x location to do y, killed named enemy x, etc. There are actually a couple lines of non-interactive dialog for these quests, which makes them stand out from the usual no-context stuff in DAI.
Denton
Member
HAHAHAHA
Ok, that is fucking terrible. But he has to be diplomatic anyway, Bioware did help them in the beginning after all. Plus even with this kind of shit, there are good aspects to DAI. I like its world design and exploration, for example.
Cave Johnson
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Maybe he's being polite. Or that "good" in this context is one of those 7/10 "good" but with more ambiguity. Clearly, the disdain for mindless fetch quests will put subtext to his statement.
cheezcake
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To be fair this is probably the closest he could get to saying "Inquisition sucks" in a PR environment.
LurkerPrime
Member
I'm still shocked CDProjekt managed to use Neverwinter Nights' creaky Aurora Engine to make something as great as the Witcher 1.
If you've played Neverwinter Nights, pre-EE Witcher 1's problems are a lot more understandable.
I hate this excuse. Just because a part of the game is optional doesn't mean it should be lazy. Especially in an RPG where those "optional" quests are a big component of the game.
let's take one area such as the emerald graves:
there's going through the ghost mansion, taking out the freeman of the dales, conquering the keep from the crazy chevalier, a dragon to slay, prisoners to save, a corpse to "investigate" and 2 secret elven ruins to explore.
I thought most of those were pretty good!
Askherserenity
Member
Stoped playing Inquisition because of the horrible quests. Theyre almost as bad as Dragon Age 2's quests.
"Hey, I found this thing, I heard you needed this thing, here you go"
The game is filled with fluff. Maybe they could've gotten rid of the horrible multiplayer game and had people work on the quests a bit more.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas are still the best RPG's in this aspect.
Have high hopes for the Witcher.
"Hey, I found this thing, I heard you needed this thing, here you go"
The game is filled with fluff. Maybe they could've gotten rid of the horrible multiplayer game and had people work on the quests a bit more.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas are still the best RPG's in this aspect.
Have high hopes for the Witcher.
anexanhume
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It's funny the amount of rationalization that's in this thread to reconcile his comments. Over half of those items pictured in the "fetch" quests appear naturally as loot from normal combat in a given area. The items often double as things to sell for more cash (to buy stuff you do care about), to make potions, or to get stat boosts against enemy types.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Oh look, side quests.
Even put in a repeatable quest with that Hinterland Requisition quest. Maybe put some context into that picture before posting it because it's bullshit.
Denton
Member
Oh yes you do. NV is probably the best game of previous generation. The PC version with all DLCs and some delicious mods (jsawyer, enb etc) in particular. I replayed it last year, some 90 hours in total...amazing experience.
From what I remember, they had to rewrite around 80% of its renderer. Witcher 1 looks stunning, considering that engine
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
It isn't even a valid excuse . You absolutely have to wade through that nonsense to get farther in the game. I am doing it right now and it is horrible.
Please give me some examples of anything remotely interesting from a side quest perspective in this game. I would like to have something to look forward to from Skyhold. It is sad that the best part of the game for me so far has been meeting Hawke and I didn't even god damn like Dragon Age 2.
Riposte
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ScepticMatt
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rough translation of some direct quotes:
Not really.Even if there was no power-system,you still need to level up and get equipment.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
No you don't.
Side quests like your companion storyline? Wait til you see Blackbeard's storyline. It's one of those listed in Durante's shitty screenshot.
Yeah, this is why I stopped. Loved it until I realized every zone was the same thing with a different backdrop. Once I'd seen and explored everything (which was great), not much diversity in the gameplay.
Still, felt like I got my money's worth. Wouldn't say it's a bad game, just got burnt out really quick on it.
He's not wrong, but it was still cool that they actually made me feel like I was finally in the history of Dragon Age. You didn't really have to do them anyways and it didn't bother me to pick them up here and there.
I really hope that Witcher 3 matches DA in terms of characters. W2 was ok with Roache and Saskia, but I hope there are some more memorable ones in W3.
I really hope that Witcher 3 matches DA in terms of characters. W2 was ok with Roache and Saskia, but I hope there are some more memorable ones in W3.
Deified Data
Banned
I love the game, but I agree that its quest structure is often too simplistic. Granted, the vast majority of them are optional, but that doesn't take away the sting of having fully-voiced sidequests with storylines that even DA2 had in spades. It's not the presence of the fetch quests that bugs me so much as the absence of meaningful ones that intertwine with the storyline. I can only think of one or two in Inquisition that do this. CDPR are masters of interlocking the main quest with side content. Even The Witcher's fetch quests (most monster contracts) don't feel like fetch quests because you're doing what a Witcher does. The diversions in Inquisition often felt too petty for your lofty organization to stoop to.
Yes. It's the best RPG of last gen, IMO.
Yes. It's the best RPG of last gen, IMO.
Interfectum
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Side quests are a huge part of that game. Saying "just skip them" is a horrible excuse for shitty design.
There's plenty of context, I linked the review. Read it.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
It is not a bad game, but it is wildly overrated. Especially when you take Biowares pedigree or the fantastic RPGs that came out last year into consideration.
I have been doing those and as of yet they all involve me going to zones and finding spellbooks or wine or some shit. The only one that has been kinda different is Cassandras in that they are bounties, basically.
I don't think that is a difficult bar to exceed.
Dragon Age: Inquisition, in particular, has a huge amount of dross characters.
Black Bull is the only one I see as being memorable.
Gillian Seed
Banned
The Witcher will probably have a ton of fetch quest as well. All Western RPG's do.
Nope.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Uuuuhh, I didn't skip them and DA:I is my GOTY.
Some of you have zero tolerance for fetch quests, but probably played a few dozen games that could garner the same complaint. You want me to put out a huge list of fetch quests that are from Dying Light, Far Cry 4, Shadow of Mordor, and obviously World of Warcraft?
Sorry brah, that review is shit. Maybe actually play the game next time. Oh, but you just listen to shitty media reviews instead.
Do you even know what a Requisition quest is?
Deified Data
Banned
Same. I don't expect them to, but I still hope. Geralt's an excellent character, but by and large side characters aren't one of the series' strengths. Even characters who are great in the novels like Dandelion are ruined by terrible voice-acting. Even Roche, who GAF insists is the greatest bro in all of gaming, felt kind of flat to me compared to even the most bland companion in DA:I.
See? Different games can have different strengths! Weird...
Nope, Dorian was great as was Cassandra.
Actually, l thought all of them were pretty fun in their own ways. Well, with the exception of Cole, wasn't super big on that guy.
hemtae
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Heh. I'm not sure if you mean Iron Bull or Blackwall.