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[witchedwiz]

Well don't get me wrong, i liked it but..
As far as negro goes, i digged more the trailer in p4 and p3..
Second point, i hope that this trailer was restricted because of reasons, since i just saw 3 other party members, and i sort of don't dig fixed party composition..

 

[InfiniteNine]

Hell yeah, I'm choosing to believe that P4G actually brought in new players, even with Vita only

Yeah P4G is the first Persona I completed since I couldn't get into 3 on the PS2. I'm mostly looking forward to 5 based on that and the stuff I've seen of 5 thus far is more my style.

Now if someone patches the encounter rate in Persona 1 PSP I'll be glad to go through the original two as well.

 

[Busaiku]

Last time we got Persona 4 Golden US numbers were in July 2013, where it had sold under 100k.
Shin Megami Tensei IV managed to get under 100k (closer to 100k than Persona 4 Golden) by December 2013, but we never got a Persona 4 Golden update.
Persona Q, which sold under 50k, debuted (in November 2014) higher than Persona 4 Golden, which debuted under 40k (from the November 2014).

These are all physical sales only of course.

Spoiler

Numbers intentionally somewhat ambiguous, but I gave the months.

 

[antibolo]

I think the main reason why Atlus hates dual audio is because the Japanese branch has an irrational fear of reverse importing.

We've seen what happened with the Persona 4 Arena games. Arc System Works designed them with built-in dual audio support as they always do with their own games, and then Atlus USA proceeded to sabotage them in two different ways (vanilla got region locking, while Ultimax got its dual audio yanked out outside of battles, while keeping it in battles so it won't break network compatibility with the Japanese version).

 

[DNAbro]

Well don't get me wrong, i liked it but..
As far as negro goes, i digged more the trailer in p4 and p3..
Second point, i hope that this trailer was restricted because of reasons, since i just saw 3 other party members, and i sort of don't dig fixed party composition..

i feel like that was kind of obvious that they are holding things back. There was at least one other persona shown in the trailer, and if the 7 deadly sins theory holds, there will be 7 party members,maybe even 8 since there is an extra one in there. And which trailers for P4 and P3 are you talking about? the 17 minute ones?

 

[Korigama]

Well don't get me wrong, i liked it but..
As far as negro goes, i digged more the trailer in p4 and p3..
Second point, i hope that this trailer was restricted because of reasons, since i just saw 3 other party members, and i sort of don't dig fixed party composition..

?

As for the other thing, as I've commented already on the matter when it came up, neither P3 nor P4 introduced all party members right away when unveiled. I see no reason why P5 would be any different.

I think the main reason why Atlus hates dual audio is because the Japanese branch has an irrational fear of reverse importing.

We've seen what happened with the Persona 4 Arena games. Arc System Works designed them with built-in dual audio support as they always do with their own games, and then Atlus USA proceeded to sabotage them in two different ways (vanilla got region locking, while Ultimax got its dual audio yanked out outside of battles, while keeping it in battles so it won't break network compatibility with the Japanese version).

Pretty sure that wasn't Atlus USA's call to make specifically, for the first reason you already cited. And yes, it also costs more to include both.

 

[Busaiku]

I think the main reason why Atlus hates dual audio is because the Japanese branch has an irrational fear of reverse importing.

More likely due to licensing costs.

 

[Faustek]

I think the main reason why Atlus hates dual audio is because the Japanese branch has an irrational fear of reverse importing.

We've seen what happened with the Persona 4 Arena games. Arc System Works designed them with built-in dual audio support as they always do with their own games, and then Atlus USA proceeded to sabotage them in two different ways (vanilla got region locking, while Ultimax got its dual audio yanked out outside of battles, while keeping it in battles so it won't break network compatibility with the Japanese version).

More likely due to licensing costs.

uhm, since the languages was already there license cost was not an issue. The issue for P4A was the totally weak USD compared to the Yen at the time. Japanese players could import and come away cheap as fuck.
Please realise that the $60 price tag so many would go to war for here is ridiculously cheap compared to Japan/some of Europe.

At least half of PersonaGAF me included falls in this category.

Yeah P4G is the first Persona I completed since I couldn't get into 3 on the PS2. I'm mostly looking forward to 5 based on that and the stuff I've seen of 5 thus far is more my style.

Now if someone patches the encounter rate in Persona 1 PSP I'll be glad to go through the original two as well.

Hell to the yes

 

[antibolo]

More likely due to licensing costs.

See above. The Persona 4 Arena games proved that it's a bullshit excuse, and that it's really about reverse importing.

 

[Renpatsu]

Now if someone patches the encounter rate in Persona 1 PSP I'll be glad to go through the original two as well.

This is why you gotta become accustomed to the negotiation system. Just talk your way out of any battles you can't be bothered with!

 

[Busaiku]

See above. The Persona 4 Arena games proved that it's a bullshit excuse, and that it's really about reverse importing.

I was referring more in general, and no it doesn't prove anything.
Though Persona 4 Arena being region locked is likely due to reverse importation, I can agree on that, but not for the series in general.
Different games would have different costs/models involved.

For instance, we didn't get the Persona 4 The Animation DLC in the US.
Most likely due to licensing (which involves multiple companies in the US).
Atlus USA wants to keep costs low without sacrificing too much of the overall product.

 

[Korigama]

uhm, since the languages was already there license cost was not an issue. The issue for P4A was the totally weak USD compared to the Yen at the time. Japanese players could import and come away cheap as fuck.
Please realise that the $60 price tag so many would go to war for here is ridiculously cheap compared to Japan/some of Europe.

To use another niche game as an example, dual-audio for Virtue's Last Reward on 3DS and Vita was already accounted for in the North American release. When it came time for Rising Star to publish it in Europe, however, the decision was made not to license the English audio in order to keep costs down, leading both versions to have only Japanese audio but still using Aksys' localization.

 

[MotherFan]

Hell yeah, I'm choosing to believe that P4G actually brought in new players, even with Vita only , and perhaps even Q and that the latest Anime will drag in some of that Anime only crowd. Tbh I want Persona to be the new Big selling Final Fantasy. Fuck, if you have a partner that don't care, withhold sex or whatever until they play through Persona and finally buys their own systems with the Persona games ^^




Yeah that was a surprise. Then again if they keep up the simultaneous WW releases and have multi language support on all their cartridges we're effing golden, Sorry Wii U

I think it was all of the P4 stuff. Each entry will bring in more fans that then want to play the games in the series. P4 was my first then I was so hooked i played it twice in a row, then did FES and nocturne. All great games.

 

[koutoru]

This is why you gotta become accustomed to the negotiation system. Just talk your way out of any battles you can't be bothered with!

See, this is the thing I loved about the first two Persona games.
If you had the demons tarot card, you could avoid battling them and get items from the encounter.

 

[Korigama]

See, this is the thing I loved about the first two Persona games.
If you had the demons tarot card, you could avoid battling them and get items from the encounter.

Having the same demon in your party or stock when speaking with it yields the same effect in SMT games (items, money, or sometimes healing).

 

[klee123]

And yet FFXV will outsell it 10 to 1.

Sad but true.

Dunno about 10 to 1

Average major FF game nowadays does about 5-6ish million worldwide.

Persona 4 Golden Managed to do 700K worldwide on the Vita.

Persona 5 can easily do 1+ million since it's on PS3 and 4.

 

[Faustek]

This is why you gotta become accustomed to the negotiation system. Just talk your way out of any battles you can't be bothered with!

Someone needs to put in[find] that 4 koma about how the demons will still eff you up here

To use another niche game as an example, dual-audio for Virtue's Last Reward on 3DS and Vita was already accounted for in the North American release. When it came time for Rising Star to publish it in Europe, however, the decision was made not to license the English audio in order to keep costs down, leading both versions to have only Japanese audio but still using Aksys' localization.

I never thought about that tbh. Just was like "aaah Japanese, good"...but it sucks for those that prefer English


Anyway, I asked before and I do so again.
Most of the time when it comes to selling music from games here and/or using dual audio the companies have to go through Jazzrack* in Japan? And they are annoying as fuck to deal with, refuse payments for everything and requires a certain amount of $ for every single game, track, dlc, everything sold? Think there is an 8-4 episode that mentions some of this.

* Can't remember their name tbh...but I think it was Jazz-something

I think it was all of the P4 stuff. Each entry will bring in more fans that then want to play the games in the series. P4 was my first then I was so hooked i played it twice in a row, then did FES and nocturne. All great games.

Welcome. You'll find clean towels on the right and tissues to the left. Please stand behind the yellow lines as the train approaches....or JUST FUCKING JUMP TOGETHER WITH US BEFORE IT SLOWS DOWN!!! <3

If they add back negotiating I just hope it isn't completely random like it was in SMT4. The negotiating absolutely killed that game for me. I loathed it. I got like 10 hours in and just stopped.

Oh well, it's a good thing we're all different....

 

[Xeteh]

If they add back negotiating I just hope it isn't completely random like it was in SMT4. The negotiating absolutely killed that game for me. I loathed it. I got like 10 hours in and just stopped.

 

[StarSketch]

* Can't remember their name tbh...but I think it was Jazz-something

JASRAC?

Anyway, I'm sure Atlus USA would like to put in Dual Audio, but the reverse importing bullshit, while understandable, is really annoying.

 

[InfiniteNine]

This is why you gotta become accustomed to the negotiation system. Just talk your way out of any battles you can't be bothered with!

I actually had some fun with the negotiation it was more of me taking a step and another battle starting quite a bit in the few hours I played it. (I started to hate the battle music after a while too which compounded things a bit.)

 

[Faustek]

JASRAC?

Anyway, I'm sure Atlus USA would like to put in Dual Audio, but the reverse importing bullshit, while understandable, is really annoying.

Sounds about right because I always thought they said Jazzrack and it was kinda some musicians guild(union). And they are an annoyance to deal with

And yes, I'm kinda 100% that John is reading this(some of the thread) and going.

Man, I hope we can get that...I want it as well but now! Cat Puns!!

 

[Renpatsu]

I actually had some fun with the negotiation it was more of me taking a step and another battle starting quite a bit in the few hours I played it. (I started to hate the battle music after a while too which compounded things a bit.)

I don't remember the encounter rate becoming egregious until the ramp up to the end of the game, but even then a liberal use of estoma was essential.

I guess it helps that I found the battle system in P1 to be far more tactical than the latter Persona games.

 

[Jisgsaw]

I was referring more in general, and no it doesn't prove anything.
Though Persona 4 Arena being region locked is likely due to reverse importation, I can agree on that, but not for the series in general.
Different games would have different costs/models involved.

For instance, we didn't get the Persona 4 The Animation DLC in the US.
Most likely due to licensing (which involves multiple companies in the US).
Atlus USA wants to keep costs low without sacrificing too much of the overall product.

Yeah, I also think licencing the japanese voice overs outside of Japan is a non negligeable cost.
That's why I wouldn't mind more game having dual audio DLC. I understand a lot of people don't care for japanese voices, and therefore Atlus not wanting to invest in it, but I do, so I'd like to have the choice, even if it means paying a bit more.

 

[GotchaForce]

I just want to say I'm glad I already put a mask on my avatar so I don't have to Persona5-it when the time comes.

 

[InfiniteNine]

I don't remember the encounter rate becoming egregious until the ramp up to the end of the game, but even then a liberal use of estoma was essential.

I guess it helps that I found the battle system in P1 to be far more tactical than the latter Persona games.

Well maybe now that I know what to expect I can give it another go? I did like what I had played of it before I got annoyed.

 

[Squire]

Some people think the MC will be less of a blank slate this time based on what's been shown. I like the idea (I actually prefer set/defined characters), especially since thief characters tend to be cool, to me anyway.

Heist stories are most often less about the McGuffin being stolen and more about some aim that's furthered or a goal that's achieved through theft/con as a talent. Compulsion is common too, but based on Hashino's comments, o don't think it's why these guys are doing it.

 

[chrominance]

You're right, and that's not something that's been discussed too much as of yet. Persona 5 selling more in the west compared to Japan... I wonder if that's really possible. That'd be pretty amazing; I'd have to think that would really affect how Atlus Japan perceives the western audience for their games.

Part of me thinks it's absolutely possible, given how much bigger the potential audience is.

Part of me remembers the Budokan audience for the Persona Live show and thinks, no way in hell could North America ever support something like that. (It's a somewhat unfair comparison, but still.)

 

[Neoxon]

Troy Baker will come in and voice every character in the game. And you good sir, will like it.

Pretty sure Laura Bailey, Erin Fitz will be in. Also, JYB and Yuri. Or maybe we will get completely new voices like you said, I think that would be great!

That depends on if he'd be done with MGS5 & Uncharted 4 by the time P5 starts recording. Troy Baker's best buddies with Atlus USA so he'd be willing to, it's time that's the problem now that he's one of the biggest voice actors in the business.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

That depends on if he'd be done with MGS5 & Uncharted 4 by the time P5 starts recording. Troy Baker's best buddies with Atlus USA so he'd be willing to, it's time that's the problem now that he's one of the biggest voice actors in the business.

I really like Troy, but with how pervasive he's become lately, I'd rather he not be in the game if only because I don't want a "Oh, that's Troy Baker!" character.

 

[Neoxon]

I really like Troy, but with how pervasive he's become lately, I'd rather he not be in the game if only because I don't want a "Oh, that's Troy Baker!" character.

The thing is that I can easily imagine Troy as Ryuji, but if he's brought on to do a character in P5, I'd want that character to test his range.

 

[Squire]

I really like Troy, but with how pervasive he's become lately, I'd rather he not be in the game if only because I don't want a "Oh, that's Troy Baker!" character.

How many, "Oh, that's Troy Baker" characters are there? Most people didnt know he was in Far Cry 4 until Ubi said so. His performances across FC4, TLOU, Batman (he's voiced the Joker and Two-Face), and P4 are pretty impressively varied and this is the stuff I remember off the top of my head.

Troy's range is incredible. Same is true for Nolan North, but once studios stsrted requesting he play characters the same way he does Drake (basically using his normal speaking voice) people interpreted that as him having no range when that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'm pretty sure Atlus knack for writing/characterization and Troy's range would result in much more than another "Oh, it's Troy Baker!" character.

 

[Love Deterrence]

I really like Troy, but with how pervasive he's become lately, I'd rather he not be in the game if only because I don't want a "Oh, that's Troy Baker!" character.

B-but that's why I want him! I never thought I would say "Revolver Ocelot is one fine motha fucka." But Troy-san changed all that!

Lawdamercy

 

[FirLocke]

2 hour loop!

http://youtu.be/5R8lGo51rsI

Enjoy.

 

[convo]

How many, "Oh, that's Troy Baker" characters are there? Most people didnt know he was in Far Cry 4 until Ubi said so. His performances across FC4, TLOU, Batman (he's voiced the Joker and Two-Face), and P4 are pretty impressively varied and this is the stuff I remember off the top of my head.

Troy's range is incredible. Same is true for Nolan North, but once studios stsrted requesting he play characters the same way he does Drake (basically using his normal speaking voice) people interpreted that as him having no range when that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'm pretty sure Atlus knack for writing/characterization and Troy's range would result in much more than another "Oh, it's Troy Baker!" character.

Exactly, they should be able to do a cast, without them sounding like the last two games. New characters new directions.

 

[RalchAC]

2 hour loop!

http://youtu.be/5R8lGo51rsI

Enjoy.

I love you. Liked and added to favs

Man, I can see the trailer in my mind when I listen to the song. I've watched it many, many times.

 

[FirLocke]

I love you. Liked and added to favs

Man, I can see the trailer in my mind when I listen to the song. I've watched it many, many times.

Oh same for me. It's why I took it upon myself to make the loop and upload a video of it. It is for the good of mankind!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This is Atlus we're talking about. Be thankful their dubs are solid.

I don't care about that, I don't even want them to waste time and money dubbing it quite honestly. But then again this is the Atlus which dubbed Conception 2 for some goddamned reason, I mean why even waste the money on a dub for a game like that which will only be bought by people who like JP audio anyways?

 

[Style]

New wallpaper

Where do people find stuff like this? D:

 

[sappyday]

Troy should voice Protag. He already looks a lot like Vincent anyways.

 

[Palculator]

I don't care about that, I don't even want them to waste time and money dubbing it quite honestly. But then again this is the Atlus which dubbed Conception 2 for some goddamned reason, I mean why even waste the money on a dub for a game like that which will only be bought by people who like JP audio anyways?

I like the Persona dubs, it's not wasted at all in my opinion. They do a good job. Sure, the reputation for JRPG dubs in general is justified since many of them turn out to be garbage, but that's not at all the case in Persona. The only thing I don't like is that they don't always dub everything, so some lines that are voiced in Japanese are just silent in the dub. But overall I appreciate them dubbing it.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Hopefully they'll start expanding the mainline games to other platforms after this gen. I'd be pretty disappointed if there was no way to play Persona on a handheld aside from PS Now streaming.

There all on PSN/PSTV and the honestly the console versions are better in P3's case.

 

[RyougaSaotome]

I don't care about that, I don't even want them to waste time and money dubbing it quite honestly. But then again this is the Atlus which dubbed Conception 2 for some goddamned reason, I mean why even waste the money on a dub for a game like that which will only be bought by people who like JP audio anyways?

Nah.

I love playing games in both languages. It's why I ended up buying a US copy of Persona 4 Golden when it came out. I was interested in seeing how the voice direction and overall localization differed from the original.

Persona is a big enough franchise in the west that it absolutely warrants having a solid dub. Conception I understand, but Persona is not in the same tier at all.

 

[Pinko Marx]

whoops.

 

[Seth Balmore]

I want to know more about the soundtrack already. Will it be funky in general like the song from the trailer? Are we getting a female or male vocalist? I want new Meguro goodness to listen to on endless repeat aaaaaaaaa

 

[Acquiescence]

Troy should voice Protag. He already looks a lot like Vincent anyways.

NO! I'm sick of that dude's voice already, I couldn't withstand an 80+ hour game and having to listen to him talk all the time.

Please, Atlus, don't be assholes. Just give us the option of dual audio this time, pleeeease.

 

[Kane1345]

So since there's a very high chance there will be a few months gap between NA and EU release I will be importing from the US. Hope they have a CE, want to go all out for P5 Of course if they announce a worldwide release that would be great!

Spoiler

Don't forget about the EU Atlus

 

[Shift Breaker]

I wouldn't mind if Troy Baker voiced a character in the game. I'm used to his Snow/Kanji/Delsin voice in games so it was a pleasant surprise to see that he voiced Talion from Middle-Earth. The man has got range, it's just a matter of Atlus and the characters available to see if he's involved and using that range.

He'll probably be in the game in some manner. The only reason he wasn't in P4A was because of schedule conflicts and this is a bit more of an important game than a fighting game spinoff's sequel.

 

[chrono01]

I've probably watched this trailer ten times already. I can't get enough of it.

I need this game, and soon.

 

[Philippo]

I wouldn't mind Troy, but they probably go with Johnny Yong Bosch since he already dubbed the same character the jp VA did once, so he should be "trained" to follow his style.

 

[Ridicululz]

I wouldn't mind Troy, but they probably go with Johnny Yong Bosch since he already dubbed the same character the jp VA did once, so he should be "trained" to follow his style.

I wouldn't mind Johnny.