Law & Order To Air An Episode Inspired By #Gamergate February 11

Did Kotaku really get referenced?
SolidSnakex said:
The developer in question ends up getting gang raped by the people that kidnapped her. They force her to read a message saying that women don't belong in gaming. SVU eventually finds her duct taped to a shotgun. The end scene has her turn to the camera and say "Women in gaming, what was I expecting?". One of officers tells her that she previously said that if she gave up then they'd win. The developer turns around and says "The already have.". It ends up with a stunned look by the officer.
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What. The. Fuck.
 
L Thammy said:
Was looking forward to seeing this when it was available for streaming. I don't even watch TV. But Aeana's post and those Quinn tweets are pretty sobering.



I get the feeling that this is a totally shameless cash-in on recent events and just demonizes gamers in general, but the optimist in me makes me want to believe that it makes some people think about this situation more seriously.
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Really? Do you think anyone can take this shit seriously and reflect on it?! My eyes are bleeding after reading synapse.
 
Intheflorsh said:
Sounds like SVU managed to piss everyone off tonight.
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Oh no, as somewhat hokey and surprisingly horrific as it was, the whole episode is pretty plausible. A lost of this stuff has obviously already happened and it's clear things could escalate as they did hear. It's not perfect, but this is probably the best GG primer the mainstream will get.

Also, that basement gag was nothing short of beautiful. Oh my god.
 
Inorigo said:
Oh no, as somewhat hokey and surprisingly horrific as it was, the whole episode is pretty plausible. A lost of this stuff has obviously already happened and it's clear things could escalate as they did hear. It's not perfect, but this is probably the best GG primer the mainstream will get.

Also, that basement gag was nothing short of beautiful. Oh my god.
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It's the worst primer the public is going to get because it reinforces the idea women should stay out of gaming.

So now gators are upset by their portrayal on the show and everyone else is upset by the demoralizing, cynical message at the end. It did nothing but stir the pot.
 
It's weird. I didn't end up watching the episode because awesome wrestling was on, but it sounds like what they ended up putting out was simultaneously worse than I expected it to be (in terms of how graphic it got and that super downer message at the end) but also NOT AS BAD as what I was expecting. Like, I quit watching this show earlier this season after they did like three or four episodes IN A ROW that had actual fake rape accusations as a central element of their story. So I was expecting before we went in that this would actually be their SJW Chimera character being an actual fraud and deceiver faking everything. How fucking terrible would that have been?

So... Still not that much of a relief, though.
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
You honestly are going to stick with the "I don't see how GG is half as aggressive as you people say" routine?
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Do people say GG (or gamers, w/e) kidnap people? It's around that point things go "okay, sure, this is total make-believe, they want this to be a dramatic cop show, because the actual internet dilemma is boring to them". What we got was like one step below "GamerGate death squads, wearing their ninja loot, raiding your townhouse, leveling up their dudes". So there are the threats and there's no reason to dismiss them out of hand (especially with the idea it just takes one mentally deranged person to commit a crime) even if there hasn't been a precedent of physical confrontations to base such a show on, but I don't think it does the worrisome hypothetical any favors to make a wildly stretching, exploitative shocking take on the idea that is utterly crippled by its ineptness at imitating "gaming culture" (infamous, at this point). If people are laughing at or in disbelief of your tragic "recreation" of something real that's terrible, I think it's fair to assume something may have went wrong. Fear-mongering (when done poorly) has a way of making something seem more artificial when its claims reach a point of no longer being believable, it's even often used mockingly (like when someone takes an opposing claim and then stretches it to have it make implications that are worth dismissing). Worse, personally, its ineptness and internet-related subject reminds me of a type of fear-mongering that has been laughed off before with no real consequences (e.g., exploding vans, virus bombs). And not to mention how disrespectful it comes off as the subjects/victims they based their drama on, but I suppose that's always going to be the case when you "rip from the headlines" (and then totally add a bunch of dark shit).

I guess some people do feel that SolidSnakex's description that everyone is quoting could realistically happen. It's certainly not impossible. I just don't see it and a lot of things would have to happen for me to expect such an escalated scenario out of this.

EDIT: And to be clear, I don't think my point of view isn't the only "valid" one and I don't see how I said as much.
 
Incredibly shallow and predictably exploitative episode.

The saddest part is that in the first couple of seasons, the show was actually interested in examining the effects of sexual violence on its victims, following them through the initial trauma, the police investigation, the court trial, etc. It wasn't perfect television, and sometimes mistook grim-dark for poetry, but it had something to say.

In other words:

- Check out the first three or so seasons for insightful television of an unusually high standard

- Check out seasons 5-7 for dumb fun

- Check out everything since for nihilistic, pointless shock porn (tonight's episode was pretty tasteful, actually, considering the vile shit like hog-tying a woman and anally raping her on a stake, vaginally raping a woman with a knife and letting her die slowly from the blood loss, and other lovely acts of sadism that have recently graced my television thanks to this show)
 
DrForester said:
UNHOLY ACTING TALENT!
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The creator of #NotYourSheidl and known GGer trying to trick people into giving him money:

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Riposte said:
Is there a news story for this incident? I'm been trying to look up any sort of fatalities in swatting attempts (beyond GamerGate) and can't find either person or dog.
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I don't think there was any news story.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I've watched a lot of Law & Order, including SVU

So this is simultaneously what I expected and also totally stomach turning
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Pretty much. Dark endings are the norm, but always in the sense of "there are no winners here" or "everyone goes to jail" or "dammit, we can't charge them with a crime" or a revenge attack. Not..... THIS. A "no charges" ending would have been insanely easy here since that's exactly what's been actually going on.

Aeana said:
Maybe you can't relate. Since the start of GG, as a woman in a prominent position on a site that constantly being brought up as an enemy of the movement, and as a target of a fair amount of harassment because of that position, I've had a lot of fears in the back of my mind, and watching this episode has given some of those fears form. It doesn't matter whether anyone has actually been a physical victim of violence. Threats cause terror on their own. There's the chance that someone will actually be crazy enough to execute something in real life, and that's terrifying. I'm sure it's a big joke to you and lots of other people, but it's not to me, and I'm not even remotely close to a primary target. I can't even begin to imagine what others are going through.
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This kind of "spilling your guts" post is awesome. Thank you for it. I know you've been delicate about this subject in the past months.
 
this is NOT the first time video games/gamers have been presented on TV shows
and will not be the last
criminal minds has done this as had CSI crime scene investigation etc

I do not watch SUV.. it has gotten beyond stupid
since its also NBC it will also portray a particular political agenda
 
lighthouse777 said:
this is NOT the first time video games/gamers have been presented on TV shows
and will not be the last
criminal minds has done this as had CSI crime scene investigation etc

I do not watch SUV.. it has gotten beyond stupid
since its also NBC it will also portray a particular political agenda
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SVU has done gamers before, even. I forget the exact overall context, but it was a gamer couple who lived off a settlement from the wife getting hit by a bus or something and they were incredibly shitty parents that completely ignored their daughter while playing a split-screen MMO on their game console.

Also this was the father:

Piston Hyundai said:
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You can imagine how cringe worthy that was.
 
tkscz said:
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Even for SVU standards, that is just awful. I know they end on low notes and have dumb ideas (sense when was stopping one rapist more important than stopping an entire Russian Mafia?), but this is creepy on multiple levels. It's not enough to have the woman be tortured, but have her tell all women in the industry to give up when there is an increase in women joining the industry.
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I think the intent of that was the opposite though, i.e. the viewer is supposed to be upset that ultimately the situation didn't have a happy ending, accentuating how shitty the situation is. Not that they're actually telling women to give up.

it's just handled in a hamfisted and tryhard edgy way like everything on the show.
 
This episode was just terrible, but not unexpected, considering how much talent they've lost on that show over the years. But seriously. We need an expert in the field of gaming, millenials, and internet slang; who should we call?

Ice T, of course! I just can't.

I will say this though... I think I much preferred when "gamers" were just basement-dwelling nerds that played Dungeons and Dragons and had pimples and glasses. Now "gamers" have basically become crime lords? Is it really hard to just portray gamers as they actually are? I guess that wouldn't sell very well. "Hey, check out these normal guys and gals that do things just like the rest of us non-gamers!"
 
ArjanN said:
I think the intent of that was the opposite though, i.e. the viewer is supposed to be upset that ultimately the situation didn't have a happy ending, accentuating how shitty the situation is. Not that they're actually telling women to give up.

it's just handled in a hamfisted and tryhard edgy way like everything on the show.
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that's how I saw the ending, too
 
Give War A Chance said:
This episode was just terrible, but not unexpected, considering how much talent they've lost on that show over the years. But seriously. We need an expert in the field of gaming, millenials, and internet slang; who should we call?

Ice T, of course! I just can't.

I will say this though... I think I much preferred when "gamers" were just basement-dwelling nerds that played Dungeons and Dragons and had pimples and glasses. Now "gamers" have basically become crime lords? Is it really hard to just portray gamers as they actually are? I guess that wouldn't sell very well. "Hey, check out these normal guys and gals that do things just like the rest of us non-gamers!"
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Have there been any shows that just have people playing games just normally? Without resorting to stupid stereotypes?
 
tkscz said:
(sense when was stopping one rapist more important than stopping an entire Russian Mafia?)
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I don't know what you're referring to specifically since I haven't watched SVU for about half a decade but you do realize that the unit within the show is specifically employed to investigate into crimes related to sexual assault, children, and the elderly, right? It's not within their jurisdiction to handle fighting the entire Russian Mafia.
 
If anyone was actually expecting Law & Order to tackle any of this with tact then clearly they've never watched SVU. Total crapshoot, no one should be surprised.
 
Aeana said:
Maybe you can't relate. Since the start of GG, as a woman in a prominent position on a site that constantly being brought up as an enemy of the movement, and as a target of a fair amount of harassment because of that position, I've had a lot of fears in the back of my mind, and watching this episode has given some of those fears form. It doesn't matter whether anyone has actually been a physical victim of violence. Threats cause terror on their own. There's the chance that someone will actually be crazy enough to execute something in real life, and that's terrifying. I'm sure it's a big joke to you and lots of other people, but it's not to me, and I'm not even remotely close to a primary target. I can't even begin to imagine what others are going through.
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Thanks for speaking out. And regarding Riposte, just put him on Ignore. It is not like you miss anything.
 
So basically .... Gamers = Misogynistic Terrorapists

Thanks for the memo, so should I commit seppuku now for belonging to such an evil group?

Seriously though - that entire episode gave me a headache.
 
Riposte said:
What do you mean true? I was stating my impression, which I feel is reflected in the way so many people are laughing at it. What you quote contributes to that, when you actually consider the "headlines" they are "ripping" from. It's like "wait, what?" Then there's everything else, the FPS stuff. Shit's bonkers. It starts somewhat realistic, then goes into straight fantasy for maximum entertainment value.
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Eh, I'd say it starts very realistic, only slipping into slight fantasy at the end with the batshit climax of GG'ers physically acting on their threats and hate. A physical act on all the abusive messaging was realistically the next step. Didn't that one psycho actually wreck his car on the way to actually murder one of the biggest targets?

The laughing is at the hilariously blunt and silly references and stereotypes of gaming tropes and lingo, as always happens when put on TV. The scenario and extremetivity on it was, unfortunately, quite well grounded in reality. A lot of people in the thread are on about how they're demonizing all gamers and... well... gamergate's actions already did the worst job demonizing gamers when you actually explain what gamers did.
 
I don't know much of anything about GG. Are people sending threats/crap to specific women in gaming, or just women devs/artists/etc. in general?
 
chubigans said:
I don't know much of anything about GG. Are people sending threats/crap to specific women in gaming, or just women devs/artists/etc. in general?
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I think they've sent a few thousand death and rape threats each to Wu, Quinn, and Anita, but any women who criticizes #GG will have their personal information posted online and then some 8chan loser will threaten to rape them.
 
The last episode of Law and Order that was "ripped from the headlines" I watched that was a version of the Chris Brown/Rihanna storyline that the media picked up. The Rihanna character was ultimately murdered by the Chris Brown character when she gets back together with him after he physically abuses her. She basically asks him "whose texting him" innocuously and then he freaks out and chokes her to death.

Law and Order nowadays is basically terrible fan-fiction where real life events are referenced and then have the context and facts beaten out of them. I don't think anyone should be surprised that the same thing happened in this episode. SVU is quickly reaching Lifetime Original Movie levels of nonsense.

I'm kind of curious to watch this just to see how much of a cluster fuck it ended up being. Is it on demand anywhere?
 
SolidSnakex said:
The developer in question ends up getting gang raped by the people that kidnapped her. They force her to read a message saying that women don't belong in gaming. SVU eventually finds her duct taped to a shotgun. The end scene has her turn to the camera and say "Women in gaming, what was I expecting?". One of officers tells her that she previously said that if she gave up then they'd win. The developer turns around and says "The already have.". It ends up with a stunned look by the officer.
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lol, this is a joke, right? I refuse to believe that actually happened.
 
Man this episode was hilarious. I guess people who don't know how far this show has fallen expected something good but i enjoyed the awfulness.
 
Zaventem said:
Man this episode was hilarious. I guess people who don't know how far this show has fallen expected something good but i enjoyed the awfulness.
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The people who notice how awful it is aren't exactly the show's target audience. All this procedural crime drama are for people who don't know.

There is a reason why prosecutors hate shows like CSI.
 
I think the quality is what gets me. It's not like this show has been known for that, but with a subject like this, better effort should have been taken to display the problems girl gamers face. Otherwise, it's just sadly laughable.

I mean, you can apply that to any touchy subject they've "covered', but for the purposes of this discussion, let's keep it generalized in the gaming department.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it felt more like a way to capitalize on an idea rather than expose a truth. People who go through this shit on a daily basis deserve better.
 
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