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[Trey]

Religion, Science.
Good, Bad
Belief, Disbelief
Spaghetti monsters.

If he believes trans women are men, Then that's what he believes.
I'm Agnostic but if Jesus comes knocking on my door, Who the hell am I to argue

Facts are facts, b.

 

[Izuna]

Well, it's like this. They feel just like a regular vagaina, some even say they are tighter. I belive they have a g-spot. They have a clitoris and lips I think, though there may another surgery for that. Some trans women can get wet naturally, depending on the surgeon, though I belive most you have to use lube. Yes they can orgasm.

So, it would have to be YES to all of that before I would hint that I might sleep with them.

Not that I can't deal with it if it were to happen to my SO in the future (those things to her parts), but I wouldn't start something less than ideal haha.

 

[Sakura]

If the MtF was attractive to me, exactly the same biologically in every way to a "real" female including being able to have kids, then sure I would date them.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I have sort of an unusual perspective on this...

When I was younger, I had a really intense feeling of wanting to be a woman, this started in like elementary school. There really wasn't any outlet to properly express these feelings in since the Internet was young, so they sort of were bottled up, and resulted in a lot of pain through most of my life. Nowadays, they've sort of subsided, for better or worse, I'm happy to be a guy most of the time, but sometimes they pop up. I've played around with guys, but ultimately I've discovered I like girls when it comes to romantic relationships...

Anyway, I sort of get uncomfortable around transgendered women. Not because I find them gross or anything like that, more so because it reminds me of the feelings I used to have, and I sort of get depressed because I see them as someone who was brave enough to go through with what they wanted, while I probably chickened out and even to this day wonder sometimes if I've made the right choice. So, for me, dating a transgendered individual wouldn't have anything to do with their physical qualities, but rather I think it'd be really hard for me emotionally to deal with, because it'd open a lot of old wounds. Even with non-transgendered women, there's always a sort of personal contradiction where I don't know if I'm attracted to them, or if simply there's a wish to be like them. I hope this doesn't come off as offensive.

Actually, I've put a lot of thought into if I ever met a girl I got along with, and when to explain these feelings to them since they're a major part of my life, and something I've struggled with. Sometimes I worry it'd be a huge deal-breaker and probably implode the relationship right there.

 

[M0nochromatic]

I fucking here you man.

I'm not trying to be offensive or aggressive here. We're just discussing. Forgive me if I've come off as hostile.

Want some example? My girlfriend did not find black men so attractive, and even being asked out by many she hadn't said yes. I didn't find chubby Japanese girls attractive. After a certain event in our relationship she opened up an OKcupid years after dating me, and her preferences changed so looking for black men.

But just because something IS nurtured, doesn't make it horrible. When the world gets more mixed people will have a broader range of preferences. There is no need to force this and make everyone who doesn't have a broad range of preferences because media and geolocation feel bad for being racist or something.

I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad, I'm trying to talk about what causes these types of attitudes.

Sure it's not horrible to sexually prefer certain groups based off of societal conditioning. It's just not something that seems valuable to society, nor does it seem to be positive in any way. I don't have any scholarly evidence of what causes it, however, and I can't say whether it's a beneficial concept to have around. That's why we're talking about it. It's a newer issue that people are still considering and mulling over. It's another aspect of LGBTQIA acceptance that's slowly making progress.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Facts are facts, b.

Define fact?

 

[Izuna]

I'm not trying to be offensive or aggressive here. We're just discussing. Forgive me if I've come off as hostile.


I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad, I'm trying to talk about what causes these types of attitudes.

Sure it's not horrible to sexually prefer certain groups based off of societal conditioning. It's just not something that seems valuable to society, nor does it seem to be positive in any way. I don't have any scholarly evidence of what causes it, however, and I can't say whether it's a beneficial concept to have around. That's why we're talking about it. It's a newer issue that people are still considering and mulling over. It's another aspect of LGBTQIA acceptance that's slowly making progress.

I was actually agreeing with you, sorry for the unnecessary use of a slur haha (I edited my post to try and make it clearer but you were already replying by that point). I have thought a lot about it too. Especially after being in an interracial relationship with someone so difference culturally too and seeing how both of our preferences have changed since.

 

[Ishida]

The idea that I'm obligated to find every type of person on this earth a worthy romantic partner or else I'm a redneck bigot yokel is ridiculous. Everyone in the world who isn't an asshole is obligated to respect and basic human decency, but they are not obligated to my romantic interest.

I'm happy that there are non-trans people who would date trans people because being trans is a pretty rough road, but that's not me, so don't judge me because my sexuality doesn't line up with what you think it should be. You are not better than me.

This. I fucking hate his current notion that "everyone must think the same" or "have the same opinions" or else you get branded a bigot, or some stupid shit like that. This current culture of people being constantly offended by different opinions is so tiresome.

We are not some sort of unified conscience. And it is ridiculous that quite often, people who mock "offended" people and tell them to"deal with it" and "it's my right for free speech", also turn around and get offended by other people not thinking like them.

I wouldn't date a transgender. I only want to date XX females. So both sex and gender are important in who I decide to date. But I wouldn't treat that person differently in society. That's fucked up.

And yes, this is where I stand. I respect transgender people like I respect any other human being. But only natural, genetical and biological women for me.

 

[Griss]

Well, it's like this. They feel just like a regular vagaina, some even say they are tighter. I belive they have a g-spot. They have a clitoris and lips I think, though there may another surgery for that. Some trans women can get wet naturally, depending on the surgeon, though I belive most you have to use lube. Yes they can orgasm.

I don't understand how a MtF trans person could possibly self-lubricate. Where is the lubrication secreted from? What mental process / neural pathway could trigger it?

 

[WaffleTaco]

So, it would have to be YES to all of that before I would hint that I might sleep with them.

Not that I can't deal with it if it were to happen to my SO in the future (those things to her parts), but I wouldn't start something less than ideal haha.

Well most of the those things post op women have. How do you feel about the lube though? Some cis women have to use lube too ya know?

 

[73V3N]

That guy got banned cause lot of people disagreed with him?

The idea that I'm obligated to find every type of person on this earth a worthy romantic partner or else I'm a redneck bigot yokel is ridiculous. Everyone in the world who isn't an asshole is obligated to respect and basic human decency, but they are not obligated to my romantic interest.

I'm happy that there are non-trans people who would date trans people because being trans is a pretty rough road, but that's not me, so don't judge me because my sexuality doesn't line up with what you think it should be. You are not better than me.

this.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

People are free to be attracted to whoever they like. If that happens to be certain races, genders or what have you, then so be it. I'm not going to judge people on that fact alone since being attracted to someone is something out of your control. So why judge anyone on it? Seems stupid to me. I might not agree with some (like those who prefer dating within their own race), or have the same sexual preference as others, but I sure as heck won't judge them for it.

Like I said, we need to separate who we are attracted to, to how we perceive others. Those are vastly different.

Who you're attracted to DOES play a role into how you perceive others. You won't hurt the people you like or love so much as you would potentially do that to those you don't. Human history shows such. I'm not saying the two are strongly tied to each other but pretending there's no connection (no matter how weak) is disingenuous.

And again, having preferences that incidentally lead you to certain types of people isn't a problem. But if you are only using those preferences to intentionally limit yourself to certain people (in this case, by ethnicity), then that's sort of short-sighted to me. If you would just ask yourself what features in particular about your preferences you like about them, you'd probably be able to see that at least some of them carry to outside of that group, or at the very least, could better explain your preferences (or the patterns of people it leads you to) with better clarity.

Ultimately though, yes, people's choices are their own outside of sexual identity, which isn't a choice. They have the right to those choices, just hopefully they're being smart and fair in getting to them. In the end it all feeds back on other people so it does help to offer guidance on it, since it will eventually affect you in some capacity (any capacity) in your life.

I don't understand how a MtF trans person could possibly self-lubricate. Where is the lubrication secreted from? What mental process / neural pathway could trigger it?

Some MtF transsexuals are able to produce breast milk after hormonal treatments, from what I know. I'm not an expert on this in any way, shape or form however, so no understanding on how that works. I've only seen it.

Just a guess but,...maybe hormonal treatments exist to allow self-lubrication?

Gotta check out for a little here but definitely looking forward to see which way discussion goes when I hop back in

 

[Anura]

I'm a man but feel more sensitive and weak then most men.
Due to societal pressures I don't feel like a typical man, and transitioning seems more common/accepted.
Should I transition as men like me aren't accepted, even though I like myself as I am?

This isn't bait, just a question.
I just want to be accepted and loved by someone.

No, not if you still feel like a man. Transitioning is also one of the most difficult things you could do with your life. I would have even avoided it if I thought there was even a small chance I could ever be happy without it.

It's also has nothing to do with personality, I'm such a huge tomboy myself.

 

[Tesseract]

No, because he thought that the vagina is artificial and made from a penis would be too much of a mental hurdle for me to clear when there's any one 99% of women with natural vaginas I could date instead. And that's just assuming that the vulva is perfectly indistinguishable from a natural, non-constructed one. If that's not the case (and I've never seen a MtF vulva) then that would be a 100% deal-breaker immediately anyway. Even just the idea that there's no uterus or the rest of the female sexual reproductive organs there would put me off hugely, to be honest. I wouldn't feel like I was putting my dick into a woman with that knowledge in my head, no matter what she looked like. That would be a 'male abdomen', even if on a person I had been dating as a woman and considered a woman.

This biological stuff matters to me sexually and I certainly feel no shame about saying it. I think by saying it, in fact, it might help some people who aren't so biologically-minded understand the reluctance of some of us to date trans people.

yeah, i hear you.

 

[HappyBivouac]

I wouldn't date someone who I knew for certain, before dating, that they couldn't have a child. If something were to happen after we are together then so be it, but I wouldn't settle for less than I am looking for.



No I disagree. You don't have to be so open when it comes to how you feel about other people. People fall out of love for small reasons and they are free to do so. If someone can't get over the fact that the person they fell in love with was trans then they can't get over it, simple as that. "It's all in the past now" that they have completing their trans doesn't sit well either. It's not disgusting, it just means they're not open for their own feelings.

It would be pretty horrible if it got to the point where people had to give a really good reason and have it approved by others to stop dating someone.

Also in that episode, she said "I used to be a man" and he misunderstood. She was seeing if he was okay with it to begin with and if he HAD known he wouldn't have developed those complicated feelings in the first place.

I suppose I didn't make myself clear, so I apologize. I totally agree that people have their own dating preferences and that it's a totally separate concept from respect. That's totally cool. It's more this perceived notion that most straight men would--or even that a straight man should-- be turned off by the idea of being with a transgender person. That's a notion I can't accept, and it's the way it came off in the aforementioned IT crowd episode. Maybe it's all in my head, but it seems to be somewhat of a pervasive notion among males. That's what bothers me.

 

[Platy]

That guy got banned cause lot of people disagreed with him?

He was banned because he was extremaly offensive to a group of posters

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[Union Carbine]

Yes, it's true that preferences are often phrased in English as absolutes when not intended to actually mean as such, but around this type of issue especially I tend to see stuff that is entirely dismissive to outright scary that seems to indicate no desire to even consider an exception. I admit I'm coming, in part, from a place of fear due to anti-trans violence being relatively common (when looked at relative to the number of trans people and similar violence), including "trans panic" type situations where the attacker basically tries to justify their actions as coming from a negative reaction to discovering someone was trans. I admit this is conflating things a bit.

I can understand that. Gender is just such a thorny issue and there's much work to be done in figuring out, as a society, how to properly address it. My sister-in-law works for an LGBTQ clinic and just the stories about her workplace (forget the clients) blow my mind-- it's like a wholly different universe from the world as I experience it.

 

[WaffleTaco]

I don't understand how a MtF trans person could possibly self-lubricate. Where is the lubrication secreted from? What mental process / neural pathway could trigger it?

I belive it is from the colon, or something like that. I don't really recall. And I belive they self-lubricate just like any other woman. If they get turned on. Though I belive not all women lubricate just from being turned on.

 

[Izuna]

Well most of the those things post op women have. How do you feel about the lube though? Some cis women have to use lube too ya know?

I have to use lube for my SO because we are physically incompatible (our parts don't fit). I don't like lube though so I actually prefer not to have intercourse and prefer to give

Spoiler

her oral and just get a handjob.

Honestly I would be kinda cautious about eating a designer pussy. I think if anything I would prefer pre-op if I really liked the girl.

 

[potam]

I don't really understand the question. I shouldn't be made to feel guilty or somehow discriminatory just because I respect a person's right to identify as whatever gender they feel like but wouldn't fuck them.

 

[crowphoenix]

I have never been put into a situation where I have to decide. I think I wouldn't have a problem dating her, but I cannot say that I am 100% sure of that.

 

[Trey]

Define fact?

Er. Similar to how your screen name on this forum is lifa-cobex, which a belief cannot override, a belief that gender is an immutable trait does not make it so.

So, sure, you could believe it. But you would be incorrect.

That guy got banned cause lot of people disagreed with him?

He was banned for being offensive.

 

[WaffleTaco]

I have to use lube for my SO because we are physically incompatible (our parts don't fit). I don't like lube though so I actually prefer not to have intercourse and prefer to give

Spoiler

her oral and just get a handjob.

Honestly I would be kinda cautious about eating a designer pussy. I think if anything I would prefer pre-op if I really liked the girl.

Why would you be cautious?

 

[Nabbis]

I don't really see transgendered in the perspective of either gender. I don't consider this in a negative way though.

 

[Amalthea]

Self lubrication is possible as long as the skin used for the vaginal canal retains enough nerves. After a while the body will recognize it as a vaginal shaft and activates the lubrication process.

 

[Simply Sarah]

I'm a man but feel more sensitive and weak then most men.
Due to societal pressures I don't feel like a typical man, and transitioning seems more common/accepted.
Should I transition as men like me aren't accepted, even though I like myself as I am?

This isn't bait, just a question.
I just want to be accepted and loved by someone.

Based on what you're saying, I would suggest against it without something more. Transition can be tough even in the best of cases and being a woman and being trans both each come with their own issues that can also interact to make even more complicated issues. Additionally, it is possible that even if it addressed some of what you mention above that you'd exchange it for discomfort in how you are internally, so you'd go from issues with how society sees you to how you see you.

Now, this isn't to say that you cannot or should not explore personal gender spaces outside of the male end of the binary, just that you probably want to have a better understanding and appreciation for where you want to be, why, how it might help, how it might hurt, etc. Figure out your options and the like. This all isn't as clear as I want it to be, but my thoughts on this are hard for me to put into words right now.

 

[Unbounded]

So you wanted to teach him semantics from the beginning but refused to do so.

So why are you being so general by saying black, white, and asian and not the actual enthic descriptions?

Care to elaborate?

 

[Exr]

When I went to EVO a few years ago (big fighting game tournament) a famous transgendered player named Kayo Police was there. Prior to this I wouldnt have thought id ever be attracted to transgendered people, but after seeing the booty in those leather pants I became a changed man. You could see others looking at her with hungry eyes. Im sure some people changed their ideas of attraction towards transgendered people right there.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Who you're attracted to DOES play a role into how you perceive others. You won't hurt the people you like or love so much as you would potentially do that to those you don't. Human history shows such. I'm not saying the two are strongly tied to each other but pretending there's no connection (no matter how weak) is disingenuous.

There isn't. Your whole argument is based on the idea that who we are sexually attracted to dictates who we like or love. Which isn't the case. By your logic I'm more likely to hurt men because I'm straight and not attracted to men.

Being attracted to someone and caring for them are two different things that occasionally overlap, but you don't need to do both to show that you care about your fellow man. I love my best friend, but I'm not attracted to him. I love my mother, but I have no attraction to her. There are plenty instances where you aren't attracted to the people you care about.

 

[Petrie]

Man, eating pussy is like the best thing ever.
-

Yes it is, and no amount or surgery can make it even remotely similar.

 

[Takuan]

Studies made on people that commited suicide because they could not transiition show the same brain stuff shown in transitioned people

Interesting stuff, though I'm kind of curious to see the variations in scans among each sample set of individuals; they can't all be the same.

Perhaps more interesting is that sample D in that slide looks neither male nor female, pattern, but rather a mixture of both.

 

[esms]

Self lubrication is possible as long as the skin used for the vaginal canal retains enough nerves. After a while the body will recognize it as a vaginal shaft and activates the lubrication process.

That shit is literally crazy. It's incredible how adaptable the human body is.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

I regard it according to sex, I guess (I mean, one's sex, not the act of sex). I totally understand how people might feel uncomfortable in their skin and want to go the trans route, but as far as dating I don't think I could pursue anything romantic with someone went from male to female.

Admittedly, it's probably just the fact of knowing that would guide that. I mean, if I had met my fiancee and she used to be a dude but never told me, and the surgery was good enough to make her look the way she does, I would think nothing of it. If she told me she used to be a guy, I don't think I could get over it.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Yes it is, and no amount or surgery can make it even remotely similar.

It's the same lol! The only people that can really tell are doctors who are gynecologists!

 

[HUELEN10]

Sex and gender are 2 different things. I know a lot of people that are cool with transgender people (people who don't identify with the gender tied to the sex they were born with) and even transsexual people (people who don't identify with the gender tied to the sex they were born with and choose to undergo surgery to better match thier sex with thier gender), but wouldn't go on a date or be in a relationship with a transgendered person. Personally, I don't think that's them being bigoted in any way, after all, everyone has their personal preferences right?

When it comes to heterosexuality, the term sometimes loses its definition in mainstream society. Wiki currently defines it as the following.

Heterosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between persons of opposite sex or gender

I feel this definition has problems in its sex or gender bit; it should be sex. And why should it be sex? Because dollars to donuts, most straight guys that are okay with dating a girl of any sex, wether they be XX, XY, XXY (look it up), or any other chromosomal and genital makeup, aren't actually technically heterosexual; they are gynephillic males.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia

Androphila and gynephillia focus on the maculity and femininity of the person you are attracted to, and not your sex. For example, a gynephillic male could be called a heterosexual male, but a gynephillic female could be called a lesbian.

If heterosexuality is truly about sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and not the opposite gender, lifestyle, presentation, or any of that, it makes perfect sense to me why someone that is into females that were born female who express a female gender identity wouldn't be into females who were not.

It's one's sexuality and if we truly want to say that sexuality is not a choice, we would be foolish to condem those that stand for trans rights just because they wouldn't date a trans person; who the fuck are we to demonize thier sexual preference and orientation.

As for trans disclosure, I think it is extremely important to tell the partner you are with and be upfront early on about your sex, gender, and orientation, and that goes for everyone, even me; honesty is the best policy, why hide who you are with someone who should love you for you?

 

[Izuna]

I suppose I didn't make myself clear, so I apologize. I totally agree that people have their own dating preferences and that it's a totally separate concept from respect. That's totally cool. It's more this perceived notion that most straight men would--or even that a straight man should-- be turned off by the idea of being with a transgender person. That's a notion I can't accept, and it's the way it came off in the aforementioned IT crowd episode. Maybe it's all in my head, but it seems to be somewhat of a pervasive notion among males. That's what bothers me.

I don't think the IT Crowd episode does this, there are enough characters in that episode who clearly wouldn't judge if he kept going.

But yeah I do know what you are talking about. But we have tons of articles and I think people are aware that straight men can trans attractive without that meaning they are at least bisexual.

 

[Petrie]

It's the same lol! The only people that can really tell are doctors who are gynecologists!

LMAO.

No.

Not even remotely the case.

I pray you're kidding.

 

[Fink]

I have sort of an unusual perspective on this...

When I was younger, I had a really intense feeling of wanting to be a woman, this started in like elementary school. There really wasn't any outlet to properly express these feelings in since the Internet was young, so they sort of were bottled up, and resulted in a lot of pain through most of my life. Nowadays, they've sort of subsided, for better or worse, I'm happy to be a guy most of the time, but sometimes they pop up. I've played around with guys, but ultimately I've discovered I like girls when it comes to romantic relationships...

Anyway, I sort of get uncomfortable around transgendered women. Not because I find them gross or anything like that, more so because it reminds me of the feelings I used to have, and I sort of get depressed because I see them as someone who was brave enough to go through with what they wanted, while I probably chickened out and even to this day wonder sometimes if I've made the right choice. So, for me, dating a transgendered individual wouldn't have anything to do with their physical qualities, but rather I think it'd be really hard for me emotionally to deal with, because it'd open a lot of old wounds. Even with non-transgendered women, there's always a sort of personal contradiction where I don't know if I'm attracted to them, or if simply there's a wish to be like them. I hope this doesn't come off as offensive.

Actually, I've put a lot of thought into if I ever met a girl I got along with, and when to explain these feelings to them since they're a major part of my life, and something I've struggled with. Sometimes I worry it'd be a huge deal-breaker and probably implode the relationship right there.

Be true to yourself. Don't hide yourself in a relationship or you won't feel good about it. Is there anything that would prevent you from transitioning now? (Not that you have to go through with anything, whatever you are comfortable with.)

I can see transitioning being a hard thing to deal with, even society stuff aside. If I was a male wanting to transition to female I would probably stop at hormones. That surgery sounds scary, top and down below. I freaked out enough getting my wisdom teeth removed.

 

[M0nochromatic]

I was actually agreeing with you, sorry for the unnecessary use of a slur haha (I edited my post to try and make it clearer but you were already replying by that point). I have thought a lot about it too. Especially after being in an interracial relationship with someone so difference culturally too and seeing how both of our preferences have changed since.

Sorry, I assumed I came off as being repetitive and condescending. It's something that I think about when I consider the empathetic side of treating people how they want to be treated, and what realms of thought that empathy should extend to. It's definitely an intriguing debate. It's one of the few modern discussions that's not incredibly clear cut what's right and wrong at first glance. Unfortunately, at least in America, we're still dealing with whether or not people are allowed to use the bathrooms that the gender they identify as use, so it'll be a while before this can come to the forefront.

 

[Griss]

Self lubrication is possible as long as the skin used for the vaginal canal retains enough nerves. After a while the body will recognize it as a vaginal shaft and activates the lubrication process.

I'm fascinated by this and would really love a source. I can't believe the body would suddenly just 'create' whatever glands it is that cause lubrication, because god knows said glands aren't found in the skin of the penis, which I'm assuming is the vaginal wall in this case.

I can understand the 'arousal' emotion triggering normally after a certain amount of time, but I can't understand where the lubrication could come from.

 

[Izuna]

Why would you be cautious?

I was cautious eating my first cis-pussy if you call it that. I would be just as cautious as eating Sushi from a new kind of fish. I'd prefer to stick to what I know.

Care to elaborate?

Didn't I elaborate enough?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races.

Have a read why.

Errbody in this thread was talking about it on a visual point of view for a reason. AFAIK they didn't even mention the word race, just colour of peoples skin when talking about their preferences. There is no racial difference called "white" and "black" in any text.

 

[WaffleTaco]

LMAO.

No.

Not even remotely the case.

I pray you're kidding.

I am not. Have you ever looked at a trans woman vagina? You know all vagainas look different right?

 

[MilkyJoe]

Bathrooms having assigned genders is silly anyway. Unless it's a changing room, no one is wiggling their genitals around.

Cause a woman is happy to accidentally let out a fart whilst taking a crap in the same room as a man?

 

[WaffleTaco]

I was cautious eating my first cis-pussy if you call it that. I would be just as cautious as eating Sushi from a new kind of fish. I'd prefer to stick to what I know.

I assure you it would be pretty much the same, just goes with what feels right, and if she says something hurts than don't do it haha

 

[Union Carbine]

Who you're attracted to DOES play a role into how you perceive others.

I'm not sure this is true, at least how I read it. Slave owners had sex with slaves-- it didn't change their perception of the slaves. Recently, the mystery of this Russian wildwoman, thought perhaps to be a bigfoot type creature, was solved-- it turned out she was African but her exoticness lead to her being treated literally like a wild animal. It didn't, however, prevent her owners from having sex with her. She bore children who were long thought to be half-bigfoot. And you get things like this:

Feminist, social activist and African American author bell hooks terms this kind of attraction to the 'Othered' body as "Eating the Other." This is the phenomenon where white men as well as the media view coloured women's bodies, especially black women's, as a site of difference. The coloured body is stereotypically everything the white woman's body is not: she is not "pure," "fair," or "docile." Rather, her body represents deviance, darkness, temptation, evil, and hypersexuality. This detrimental image generates a deep sense of desire and adventure within the white man -- a desire to colonize her body -- 'eat' it up, and use it to come to know himself.

Through fucking a coloured woman, the white man transcends his 'whiteness' and innocence, moving into more experienced and dangerous territory. Literally through her body, he learns what he is and what he is not. He gains access to cross the border into a dark territory that only he, of all his friends, has yet to venture to. But after 'consuming' her multiple times, he becomes sick and repulsed, as with any overconsumption of food, and spits her out.

 

[Future]

Reality is very few people have been around transgendered enough to form any real opinions besides knee jerk reactions of being afraid they won't be jus like cis gendered people

 

[Anoregon]

Cause a woman is happy to accidentally let out a fart whilst taking a crap in the same room as a man?

Why not, it's a great ice breaker.

 

[Griss]

Sex and gender are 2 different things. I know a lot of people that are cool with transgender people (people who don't identify with the gender tied to the sex they were born with) and even transsexual people (people who don't identify with the gender tied to the sex they were born with and choose to undergo surgery to better match thier sex with thier gender), but wouldn't go on a date or be in a relationship with a transgendered person. Personally, I don't think that's them being bigoted in any way, after all, everyone has their personal preferences right?

When it comes to heterosexuality, the term sometimes loses its definition in mainstream society. Wiki currently defines it as the following.



I feel this definition has problems in its sex or gender bit; it should be sex. And why should it be sex? Because dollars to donuts, most straight guys that are okay with dating a girl of any sex, wether they be XX, XY, XXY (look it up), or any other chromosomal and genital makeup, aren't actually technically heterosexual; they are gynephillic males.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia

Androphila and gynephillia focus on the maculity and femininity of the person you are attracted to, and not your sex. For example, a gynephillic male could be called a heterosexual male, but a gynephillic female could be called a lesbian.

If heterosexuality is truly about sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and not the opposite gender, lifestyle, presentation, or any of that, it makes perfect sense to me why someone that is into females that were born female who express a female gender identity wouldn't be into females who were not.

It's one's sexuality and if we truly want to say that sexuality is not a choice, we would be foolish to condem those that stand for trans rights just because they wouldn't date a trans person; who the fuck are we to demonize thier sexual preference and orientation.

As for trans disclosure, I think it is extremely important to tell the partner you are with and be upfront early on about your sex, gender, and orientation, and that goes for everyone, even me; honesty is the best policy, why hide who you are with someone who should love you for you?

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said I'm attracted to the female sex and not gender. It's the polite, simple explanation for why I'd date who I date. But 'Gynephillic', though, is interesting. I've never head that before, but it's absolutely perfect and it's exactly what I am.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Er. Similar to how your screen name on this forum is lifa-cobex, which a belief cannot override, a belief that gender is an immutable trait does not make it so.

So, sure, you could believe it. But you would be incorrect.

What!?
My screen name is Cobex-lifa. What the hell are you talking about? Your reading it wrong.

Spoiler

I'm sure you can see what I'm gonna start arguing lol.

No matter how daft the argument is, It's still an argument of a possibility.

Some famous quote from someone. (someone enlighten me as I cant remember)

If you ask a scientist a question, they will start a statement with "We believe"
If you ask someone that follows an organized religion they will say "it's this"

But your open minded to the premise that they might exist?
Basically by denouncing the facts. So that would mean you don't believe in the hard evidence provided.
If that be your uneducated, more educated or could provide another possibility that argues both statements.

If you follow that evidence says they don't exist, then you don't believe unicorns exist

lol unicorns

It just comes down to who this person is. He has a right to argue something by his own belief.
Even if hard evidence disagrees.

At one point in time, People thought the world was flat.

 

[injurai]

Aren't we all females originally. Nipples, that line underneath cocks.

No. Prenatal development simply builds up to complexity. We have vestigial gills as a fetus and a tail. The female sex never had a monopoly on nipples. The female clit is as much as a penis as the scrotum is labia.