Mushroomer25
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If the video was posted this close to release, with the player completing (effectively) all of the included content at a realistic pace in under six hours - then yeah, that game's short.
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Develop-Online: The Order: 1886 Dev Says "Internet Is The New Playground For Bullies"
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geordiemp
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I think TLOU was just about perfect for a Cinematic shooter for my tastes, enough strategy and gameplay in hard modes (no through wall detection) to make both a great cinematic and great gameplay combination.
Have not played the order yet, will probably get it at some point next month, but not a first week purchase as for me it appears its balance is more to the cinematic side of TLOU type game.
However, would not rubbish it as it may be the best thing ever for people who prefer this.
All we can ask for as gamers is that a game is an excellent representation of the genre. Whether the genre is for you is another matter.
Have not played the order yet, will probably get it at some point next month, but not a first week purchase as for me it appears its balance is more to the cinematic side of TLOU type game.
However, would not rubbish it as it may be the best thing ever for people who prefer this.
All we can ask for as gamers is that a game is an excellent representation of the genre. Whether the genre is for you is another matter.
I do not find it funny. The game industry is having a major problem with developers working over-hours and having unstable grounds, while in the meanwhile they encounter self-entitled little brats trashing their hard work. I do not mean that negative criticism should be banned, on the contrary. The problem is that there are so many comments with a disrespectful tone.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
iceatcs
Junior Member
Yep, best thing to do but I do love read the nerd shit. Just amazing how they wrote.
brandonh83
Banned
It's time for a self-help group inside of Sony. David Cage would also a candidate to join.
The criticism this game gets for its minimal feature set is ridiculous though. It's much worse when publishers and developers cram every possible feature into their game just to check off the popular bullet points you apparently need to have these days. People who are calling for that should hand over the principal game design to the marketing departments.
The criticism this game gets for its minimal feature set is ridiculous though. It's much worse when publishers and developers cram every possible feature into their game just to check off the popular bullet points you apparently need to have these days. People who are calling for that should hand over the principal game design to the marketing departments.
loaf of bread
Member
OH YES! Why don't they harden up! Theres absolutely no reason to feel bad that the thing that you devoted the past 5 years of your life to is hated and shit on by hundreds of thousands of people for no reason.
LightofRohan
Member
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If it sucks, it sucks. If it's disappointing but has reedemable features, so be it. If it's good, it's good.
I don't get crucifying the game for one aspect without actually playing it first.
And that's the way the cookie crumbles. Also looks like they never experienced the internet but calling out the internet..don't do that.
I'm laughing at the stupid analogy not the game.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Already got a bunch of "game", "bad film maker", and "Youtube" comments up in here.
slavesnyder
Member
The Order: 1886 |OT| The steaks are high...
no. if people are attacking their creation, they as developers are allowed to defend it. And they're absolutely in the right of commenting on internet hate in general.
I don't even care about the game. I think the graphics are gorgeous but the gameplay looks really uninteresting to me. But hey, if you're excited for it I won't stop you, and I won't shit on the game, its devs and its fans for what it is.
That's not to say that any criticism is unwarranted but chill the fuck down.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
as long as the game is good it can be a few hours long. instead of 20 hours of padded shit
oh boy, I disagree. There are many linear games having the exact same curve as this game.
What about the other players saying they have a completion time of 10-15 hours?
neogaffer1
Banned
It got shat on hard before release, had a moment where an early positive review came out and people rolled back a little bit, and then continued full throttle after all of the reviews hit. It's an average game for sure, but people were making it out to be complete trash without even playing it.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'm a little torn, since I think his example is ridiculous, but I do think it's too easy for hate and cynicism to spiral out of control.
nelsonroyale
Member
Fair enough. Lots of people on here who wouldn't dare say some of the stuff they spout to a real actual person.
You know what was in the same exact boat as The Order when it comes to length? Ground Zeroes. Tons and tons of people shit on the game for its price point and how much content is in the game.
Kojima and his team explicitly said how fast the main scenario could've been beaten, they said the game banked on replayability, they said how big the game is, what extras there are, they laid out all the cards on the table because they knew they weren't selling a traditional product at a traditional price point.
Kojima and his team explicitly said how fast the main scenario could've been beaten, they said the game banked on replayability, they said how big the game is, what extras there are, they laid out all the cards on the table because they knew they weren't selling a traditional product at a traditional price point.
Acquiescence
Member
His steak analogy is on the money. I'll always take a short and consistently excellent game like Silent Hill: Shattered Memories or Spec Ops: The Line over something like Dragon Age: Inquisition which, while a good game, is huge but full of lulls and filler, and would have certainly benefited from being tighter in design.
Of course, if I end up not actually enjoying The Order's concise campaign then that's a different story.
Of course, if I end up not actually enjoying The Order's concise campaign then that's a different story.
XxRampage07xX
Member
RaD should learn to ignore the Internet trolls lol.
jakonovski
Member
Getting defensive is not the best way to sell a game. Makes me think they think there's something wrong with the game.
17 Seconds
Banned
Well, they're right. For whatever reason, this game has generated a ton of hate from the moment it was revealed. We all know what type of game it is. Nobody is forcing you to play it if you don't like it.
I'm trying really hard here to see the difference between that (fairly soft) statement regarding its quality and your own statements regarding its gameplay.
Both without playing it.
The only difference I'm seeing is that delta24 says he "has a feeling", while you are being categorical.
HF2014
Member
Im going to tell you one thing. I already ate a 100$ steak and a 20$ steak, and quite honestly, for the difference of feeling its a better steak when you pay 100$, well, i rather save money and buy a 20$ one.
So again, what price is The Order? Ohhh 70$. Right, will wait for the 20$ price. I WANT to play The Order, it smell good, look tasty...but...
Nintendo understand that some AAA game they are releasing ( Captain Toad, Kirby and some others ), dont have the same 59$ price tag on it because they wont be as atractive. A lower price is attractive.. Sony should have taken the same example and release it at 49$ rather than 69$.
So again, what price is The Order? Ohhh 70$. Right, will wait for the 20$ price. I WANT to play The Order, it smell good, look tasty...but...
Nintendo understand that some AAA game they are releasing ( Captain Toad, Kirby and some others ), dont have the same 59$ price tag on it because they wont be as atractive. A lower price is attractive.. Sony should have taken the same example and release it at 49$ rather than 69$.
No kidding, it's just kind of sad.
bananafactory
Banned
It's the morning before.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Glad they are standing up to all the dramatized hatred their game gets. Shows they have passion and stand by their product. It's fine to dislike a thing, and also fine to say as much, but this game surely has seemed to drive to go out of their way to hate on it.
RedAssedApe
Banned
predict people shedding the same salty tears that they did for watch dogs and unity when the game doesn't bomb.
will wait for reviews though...i'm probably a little less critical of sony first parties as i have a friend who works at SCEA that can get first party titles a few weeks into launch for super cheap.
will wait for reviews though...i'm probably a little less critical of sony first parties as i have a friend who works at SCEA that can get first party titles a few weeks into launch for super cheap.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
Seriously
Steverulez
Member
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Watch how people get a copy? How many people get bullied about discussing movies and shows at work? Or on the phone? How many phone conversations get interrupted because so-and-so didn't like a film or talked about it being "too long"?
What film director makes a statement anymore about their film? Typically they're shipped, delivered, and that's that. You're the person fighting with other people.
What film director makes a statement anymore about their film? Typically they're shipped, delivered, and that's that. You're the person fighting with other people.
weevles
Member
Oh good. I don't normally get a chance to eat steak for breakfast unless I'm in Vegas.
loaf of bread
Member
How would you feel if you spent 5 years of your life working day and night working on something you're deeply passionate about and have it get hated, shit on, and disregarded by hundreds of thousands of people before you've even released it.