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[WordsintheWater]

Face the music RAD. You tried to do something a bit different. Some people like it or want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Most however don't want your combination of lack of gameplay, short game length, and little replayability regardless of how much time you spent perfecting your graphics engine just right.

Damn dude do you know the sales of this game already? Despite what you think forum posters aren't the only consumers.

 

[Elginer]

For some reason, which I have no idea what, this game has been fighting crap since it was first revealed. It's one of those games that doesn't seem to be able to catch a break. While I think coming out to defend it is going to cause more shit, it's tough to be in a place emotionally when you've invested hundreds of hours of sweat into something and then have people bash the shit out of it without even touching it.

From the impressions thread it looks to be a solid new IP with some quirks here and there. If nothing else, it's an incredibly polished game, with a hell of a graphics engine. Perhaps if there is a sequel they can build on its strengths.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Guh, what an awful interview.

I was cringing reading that, who on earth agreed to let them do that interview?

 

[Lyte Edge]

Fully agree with that post.

As of now, I cancelled my pre order. RAD is really hurting their own game by constantly talking off their potential buyers and the game itself looks like it's just a short "cinematic experience" as they called it.

Maybe sometime down the line I'll get the game at a bargin bin price or just wait and see if PS+ will have it for a free in a few months. XD

I can certainly say that out of everything that has happened, it's the dev's own comments that would have made me hesitant to buy this day one, although I was never planning to anyway. The game is definitely on my watch list as something to pick up discounted, assuming it gets a lot of positive feedback after launch, however.

 

[loaf of bread]

While not quite on the same level, but aren't you being a little hypocritical? Just a little?

In the end, people will make judgements on what they've seen and heard. Like you did with Ori.

Are you serious? Where did I shit on the game? I was curious why people were super hyped for that game more than the others because for me it didn't stand out as much as the others did. Meanwhile just today there was a person who called The Order "a joke" when they haven't even played it. Among countless other shitposts over the course of the past year.

 

[Chû Totoro]

There's an argument to be made that this game gets more hate than it deserves, but I earnestly believe that the vitriol is just one of two sides of the same coin when it comes to the console wars. I think for every person that wants to take a potshot at it for being a console exclusive, there's someone else out there willing to defend it because it's a console exclusive. Such is the nature of the silly system wars. I honestly kind of wish I could travel momentarily to the parallel Earth-2 where The Order 1886 is a multi-plat and see if the front page of that universe's NeoGAF has 20 threads on the game.

Also, I think it's incredibly silly to lop in video game critique with bullying. There's been sincere campaigns in recent years to talk about the damage that bullying can cause to people in terms of depression and potential suicide. Throwing in "mean things said about a video game" with that just seems absurd.

Clearly. The Order gets too much hate and even if it may be a disappointment for some no need to go crazy over the Internet, just don't buy the game, wait for another one to match your criteria and have fun !

So it shouldn't be as it is now with so much effort put by some people here into saying how bad the game is and how the ones who like it don't know what a good game is but heh... it's the Internet so they're always be trolls and RaD devs calling this "bullying" is not smart at all.

 

[ghostjoke]

Because it's not out yet.

And they asked him a question.

That's the problem, it's not even out and they seem to be in full damage control mode rather than doing something like (for me personally if they want me to be interested in buying) making a gameplay trailer that makes it look like more than another post 2010 tps game. Not exactly confidence building when they can't come up with evidence to contradict the claims (which are at times over the top but you have to factor in the cutscene/qte/gameplay ratios and then, ek, wouldn't want to be RAD). Calling people bullies when there is indepth breakdowns of the criticism levelled at the game makes RAD seem like children (this would be based on how children will disregard facts and call people mean instead of giving proper answers).

 

[Tagyhag]

Hah, talk about being sheltered, the internet has been asshole-city since the 90's.

I know it's their game so they want to defend it, but if you truly believe that it's as good as you think it is, you could just let it speak for itself.

It's not even officially out yet. Wait for more people to play it before going into damage control.

 

[John Kowalski]

impressive dismantling, 10/10

 

[freeofgreed]

I never understood the hate for this game. Its exactly like every other shooter. If people hated on it for being generic, that's one thing but people are hating on it for things that nearly every other shooter has done. Seems weird to single this game out.

 

[cheekymunky]

Let the game speak for itself

It won't have very much to say.

 

[Night Hunter]

It's on daily motion.

Someone who's actually beaten the game do us a favor and watch the full fucking thing.

Without having seen the video I believe that it is possible to complete the game in 5,5 hours if you play on easy and do absolutely nothing else than run through it. So never pick up a collectable, never listen to one of the audio recordings, never stop to just look at something, never stray from the path and cut out all the times you have to start over because you died.

As for me, it took me between 9 and 10 hours.

 

[Kacho]

Sounds like they've been listening too much to their fans. I don't believe theres some unique conspiracy of targeted hate that that only applies to their game. Their game just happens to have a lot of things about it that a lot of gamers are vocally negative about.

On point with this. Plenty of people are not liking what RAD is selling and being very vocal about. I remember their E3 showing last year was not very well received.

 

[EntropyX]

Being a shallow game with fantastic graphics, it deserves as much hate as Ryse received.

That depends on your definition of shallow.

 

[NexusGamer]

This game is getting hate like a Ryse did. Complaints about a "short, qte filled campaign with great visuals." For me that game was fine.

agreed

 

[Primethius]

I just think it's crazy to take unverifiable GAF impressions seriously when you look at the conversation surrounding this game. Again, if there's a playthrough I can watch that lasts 10 hrs - I'll accept the first video as a speedrun. But going on the available evidence - I just don't think that's the case.

I don't know, I'm not trying to watch the game on Youtube. If you don't trust GAF impressions and can't accept the fact that different people have different times, I don't know what to tell you.

I am not saying the Youtube video is wrong. It's right for all I know (haven't seen it). But that doesn't mean its the average completion time. It might be on the low end of things. That's my point.

 

[sh4mike]

I'm honestly not understanding how manifestly accurate evidence of something is discarded in light of reactive claims to the contrary without comparable evidence. You not having looked at the video isn't a counterpoint to the video.

Well said.

 

[KingSnake]

Regardless of his game's quality, he's right. Never more evident than in the life threats sent to various people who said bullies disagree with.

Who at RAD was threatened for the game?

I think comparing the launch of a new IP from a smaller developer like RAD to Zelda is pretty damn silly, to be honest. Zelda has a huge lineage behind it and will sell regardless. That's not the case with The Order.

That goes both ways. Keeping the stake analogy, you don't go for a $100 stake to a rookie chef.

 

[Jarmel]

Yes it is, but is it realistic? We have like what? 10 different accounts all saying the game's length is what RAD claim to be, and one youtubers set of videos where it isn't. So it must be either all these dudes are lying or just made up their times.

I'm not saying the video isn't accurate, It COULD be inaccurate, we know for a fact a cutscene was removed. I'm just saying every one is taking the 5 hours as the set time, and that's it, where all these other people have 9 to 10.

People viewed the cutscene before it was removed and the cutscene wasn't long at all.

There are a multitude of reasons why people could have twice the playthrough time such as deaths, wandering around taking photos, or just not knowing what to do. We'll find out soon enough I guess.

 

[Frillen]

The majority of them are not constructive or legitimate criticism because they didn't play the game. You can say that the game isn't worth 60$ because of it's length even though it's pretty weird in my opinion, but actually shit on the gameplay without ever having played it is just hate. And don't get me started about the complaint regarding the lack of co-op.

I agree, but most of the criticism comes in the way of the game's length at the moment, which is legitimate a concern.

 

[Korten]

Being a shallow game with fantastic graphics, it deserves as much hate as Ryse received.

It deserves it? Really, it deserves? Wow... just... wow...

 

[Intheflorsh]

When the game is finally out in the open, I'd love to see how long a real speed run is.

 

[ShutterMunster]

The unmitigated gall it takes to slander a group of artists and their work without ever experiencing it and then telling them they have no right to comment on it. The Internet really is a sesspool for arrogance and ignorance. I wish RAD the best of luck.

 

[Dunlop]

People have clearly been hate posting this game since the initial reveal, ready to grab onto any negative tidbit they could.

There are people's careers and livelihoods at stake. Not only that, but any serious developer will be treating their game like their baby -- with love, care, and pride. Watching the hate has to be hard to take.

So, yes, it is bullying in a way. Is it as bad as other forms of bullying? Surely not. But everything is to degrees -- is taking lunch money worse than getting punched in the arm worse than getting shamed on the internet? Just because something is less 'bullying' than something else doesn't mean it's not bullying.

Especially given most of the hate dealt out over the course of the last year has not been from people who even played the game/demo.

This happens with any AAA game and is exponentially worse when a game is exclusive. You don't have a public outburst and let the publisher pr and advertising departments do their job

 

[Myggen]

I generally agree with that sentiment, but not in this case. Come on, even people shitting on your game without having played it isn't close to "bullying".

This happens with any AAA game and is exponentially worse when a game is exclusive. You don't have a public outburst and let the publisher pr and advertising departments do their job

Yeah. If people think this is bad, wait for the review thread of Zelda U if that gets any less than stellar reviews.

 

[MotionBlue]

I would actually agree with him, on the "Internet Is The New Playground For Bullies". In regards to The Order, I will wait until I actually play it, before criticizing it.

 

[Wiseblood]

And here I was hoping this was a AAA developer calling out actual internet bullies in the gaming community. Turns out they're mad at people saying their game isn't great.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Exactly, they are a company and they should expect criticism on their product. That's like saying that making fun of a console that doesn't have a specific feature is bullying the console maker.

How much criticism comes from people with hands on time with the finished product?

 

[De_Legend]

It won't have very much to say.

Aww, cute.

 

[jellies_two]

but it's good to know they think their product is like a $100 steak[/B]

that isnt what he said AT ALL.

even intended as a joke, you did what bullies do and take the cheap shot.

he gave an illustrative example of why quantity is not correlated to quality. A bettter one might be reading a long book vs a short one because at issue is TIME not weight. One might spend more time enjoying a small amount of high quality food than at an all you can eat buffet of crap.

 

[Bold One]

this circus has peaked...

 

[Doctor Ironic]

There are very, very few things I hate more in this industry than people who have been rightfully called out on their shit co-opting the victimhood of those who have been genuinely harassed.

People are saying your game looks bad. When they start sending you death threats because of your gender, maybe then I'll feel bad for you.

Spoiler

This also goes out to you, Adam Orth

 

[Jarmel]

When the game is finally out in the open, I'd love to see how long a real speed run is.

The unskippable cutscenes put a huge damper on that.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Weak pre-emptive damage control RAD. Leave that spinning to Molyneaux, Derek Smart or Reggie.

It seems they are very afraid of the game bombing after the reviews hit :/ They shouldn't be as The Order is the only PS4 exclusive worth buying in 2015 so far.

 

[EGOMON]

I bet 90% of the people hating on The Order 1886 don't even have a PS4 I don't know why RAD cares about what they think, real PS fan will be more than enough to suppot them and the game

 

[anexanhume]

Being short does not prevent a game from being great (see Halo 2 complaints).

Having only single-player does not prevent a game from being great (see Wolfenstein).

Having QTEs does not prevent a game from being great (see a whole shitload of games). Sure, they could be executed like shit compared to a game like Bayo 2, but I doubt it ruins the whole experience.

And a complaint about lack of replayability. What are people expecting here in a linear story? Unlockables that people like to bitch about as fetch quests?

It seems to me that design decisions or shortcomings are being treated on the same level as genuine anti-consumer bullshit like Evolve's DLC scheme (essentially none of the game is locked behind DLC here).

I can't really blame a developer for wanting to embargo their content when people explode over things that will possibly amount to minor annoyances or many people who never seemed to want the game in the first place.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Clearly. The Order gets too much hate and even if it may be a disappointment for some no need to go crazy over the Internet, just don't buy the game, wait for another one to match your criteria and have fun !

Sure. I don't disagree with this. But the other side of the coin that I was alluding to is that it necessarily follows that if it doesn't deserve the "hate" it gets, it probably doesn't deserve the defense that it gets, or at least the volume of that defense. I honestly think it cuts both ways.

 

[QaaQer]

No that post sucks hard because he didn't even read the interview...

Who here has read the interview? *crickets*

Do people even know how an interview works?

 

[EventHorizon]

Well, we don't know that yet.

The online tracking so far is fairly strong across most major retailers.

Let's see what the reaction is after those people actually play the game. Marketing does wonders and a flawed game can still sell well. See Dragon Age 2.

Errr...? I think the criticism aimed at the game isn't that it's "too different" than the norm... xD

It's the game that different. They focused on cinematics over gameplay. That decision all but forced the game to be in its current state.

 

[brandonh83]

That's the other side. Just because your campaign is short doesn't preclude you from adding in things such as harder difficulties, skins, New Game +, or additional objectives. There are ways to increase the value of your game other than artificially bloating the campaign or adding in multiplayer.

Oh, I agree. You'll find no disagreement with me there. I think especially for games like this that there are ways to go about adding replay value without bloating things. I hope I like the game, I want to, but right now I'm not sure if it's worth the money, for me personally, and it has nothing to do with it being "short." Personally I don't think 7-10 hours is short. That's 7-10 hours. But now, if the game has mostly repetitive gameplay in addition to watching 2 hours of cutscenes, I'm not sure that cost of the game is worth it for me.

 

[loaf of bread]

Being a shallow game with fantastic graphics, it deserves as much hate as Ryse received.

Have you played the game? Also have you ignored all the positive impressions that are out there on the game? Nearly every single impression has been positive and said the gameplay was solid. I've yet to read an impression that truly didn't like the game. Even 5 hour guy said he liked and recommends the game.

 

[Idba]

Game not even out yet and RAD is already in full force defending their game. If they are confident in their product , there is no need to be so defensive.

What you're saying is stupid. If developers don't address untrue rumours then people would be like " they aren't saying that is not true, so it's probably true!!!11!!11!"

RAD is actually being confident (or stupid) by saying on record that the game is 8-10 hours long. Them not saying anything would be them not being confident

 

[Alienous]

I bet 90% of the people hating on The Order 1886 don't even have a PS4 I don't know why RAD cares about what they think, real PS fan will be more than enough to suppot them and the game

You're being a console warrior.

 

[Apeopleman]

Being a shallow game with fantastic graphics, it deserves as much hate as Ryse received.

A game deserves hate, just because it doesn't meet your expectations?

 

[mjc]

I think the length is being targeted by many as a criticism because the core of the gameplay looks not to be particularly solid. QTEs, TPS segments, and the like are fine but when they take up a majority of a short game with lots of cutscenes, the criticism might be valid.

Ryse was guilty of all the above, and might be a suitable comparison to The Order.

 

[Seventy70]

How much criticism comes from people with hands on time with the finished product?

You don't need "hands on time" to criticize something.

 

[Oersted]

Comparing the criticism of the game, which varies from profound to utter stupidity with bullying is harmful nonsense.

 

[Dunlop]

I bet 90% of the people hating on The Order 1886 don't even have a PS4 I don't know why RAD cares about what they think, real PS fan will be more than enough to suppot them and the game

So you shouldn't care about the game but just support it because it is a Sony exclusive...wha?

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

Wow. I'm not saying they're wrong, but that's some mighty high praise for their own game. We'll find out very soon if The Order is the 100$ steak they claim it is.

 

[Freeman]

I don't think anyone could say with a straight face the this game gets the expected amount of criticism a unreleased game usually gets. Some people will likely whack off looking at a metacritic page if the game gets rated bellow 70.

There are very, very few things I hate more in this industry than people who have been rightfully called out on their shit co-opting the victimhood of those who have been genuinely harassed.

People are saying your game looks bad. When they start sending you death threats because of your gender, maybe then I'll feel bad for you.

Who's saying that?