Quebec judge refuses to hear women's case until she removed Hijab

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Fusebox said:
Typed letters.

And then the judge can mail the defendant his follow-up questions, and then the defendant can mail back their responses....
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Who said mail had to be involved? Put them and their lawyers in isolated rooms with the suction tube things that deliver them right to the judge. If we want equality, that's the way to do it.

Only drawback I can think of with this system is that a judge wouldn't be able to verify "dehumanizing looks"
 
The worst is that Stephen Harper on a federal level is taking advantage of national security situation to mix it up with Quebec identity politics to pander for votes locally in Quebec.

Harper does not repeat what he says in French locally with what he says in English to the rest .

Notice support for Conservatives rising in Quebec locally due his regional campaign
 
Seventy70 said:
Who said mail had to be involved? Put them and their lawyers in isolated rooms with the suction tube things that deliver them right to the judge. If we want equality, that's the way to do it.
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Well that's more plausible, but I still think there's a lot to be gained from seeing peoples reactions and interactions when trying to assess a complicated situation.
 
Simmins said:
I can't believe people are agreeing with this decision. If you are representing a secular court system then yes you should probably abstain from religious symbols, but if you are representing yourself that should include your beliefs. Stripping people of clothes that hold such strong personal value is pretty dehumanizing because you disagree with the their beliefs.
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this.
 
Simmins said:
I can't believe people are agreeing with this decision. If you are representing a secular court system then yes you should probably abstain from religious symbols, but if you are representing yourself that should include your beliefs. Stripping people of clothes that hold such strong personal value is pretty dehumanizing because you disagree with the their beliefs.
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Most reasonable post in this thread, but the government acknowledges that religion exists. If someone is wearing a religious symbol, that's not the state putting it there. It's someone's personal belief. It's not like the state is sponsoring it.

I think I'm done with this thread. It nearly ruined my day. I'm just going to ignore all threads on religion from now on and hope that people in real life are reasonable like normal human beings.
 
There is something like more than 80% of the Quebec population that would ban religious display in public, so it doesn't surprise me.
 
Kinitari said:
We make exceptions to rules for religious reasons all the time, as long as it's harmless, it should be the case here.
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Then be consistent and stop making exceptions. OR can I just say wearing sunglasses is part of my religion?
 
If I can't wear a hat then I don't see the issue with this.

But I'm in the hat wearing religion, and you are hurting my beliefs.
 
CaLe said:
I live in Quebec, and I hate every second of it. If it weren't for my wife wanting to live here, I'd gladly get the heck out of this province. I'm sorry, but being part of the "minority" myself, I disagree with the people saying that this province is welcoming. It's anything but. This article is just another example of extremes in Quebec. You can't wear the hijab, but you have to swear on the bible. And isn't it weird that we never heard anything related to other religious groups feeling ostracized by being told to remove their kippa, etc. ? This one lone woman is the first one to ever speak out against something like this ? Right.

Clearly it has nothing to do with the current wave of Islamophobia being rampant in today's society.

End of rant.
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You can swear on any document you want... The kirpan was in big deal in QC but the supreme court already judged that. It was a big deal as students refused to be in the same classroom as a kid with a knife. Quebec hates all religions equally IMO. Pure lain think that all religions are archaic and bad. Why would fairy tales be protected by law?
 
phil-x said:
You can swear on any document you want... The kirpan was in big deal in QC but the supreme court already judged that. It was a big deal as students refused to be in the same classroom as a kid with a knife. Quebec hates all religions equally IMO. Pure lain think that all religions are archaic and bad. Why would fairy tales be protected by law?
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Quebec doesn't just hate all religions, it also hates basic human rights:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...to-lower-ramp-for-woman-with-walker-1.2975010

Btw, before anyone thinks I'm Francophobe, I'm 100% fluent in French and I've lived here for 25 years.
 
CaLe said:
I live in Quebec, and I hate every second of it. If it weren't for my wife wanting to live here, I'd gladly get the heck out of this province. I'm sorry, but being part of the "minority" myself, I disagree with the people saying that this province is welcoming. It's anything but. This article is just another example of extremes in Quebec. You can't wear the hijab, but you have to swear on the bible. And isn't it weird that we never heard anything related to other religious groups feeling ostracized by being told to remove their kippa, etc. ? This one lone woman is the first one to ever speak out against something like this ? Right.

Clearly it has nothing to do with the current wave of Islamophobia being rampant in today's society.

End of rant.
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Wait, do you have to swear on the bible in these courts?
 
If this is the law then it should be observed. If not, then it sounds like the judge has personal reasons for doing this.

Tesseract said:
yes, all that stupid shit should come off in court



w/e, that's just archaic convention
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You would have to be very stupid to believe that "archaic convention" is the reason why a western nation would only allow Christian religious symbols in government buildings. Not to mention that swearing on a religious book is a waaaaaaaaay bigger deal to anyone than simply talking to somebody else who is wearing a piece of religious clothing.

When you talk to a Muslim with a scarf or a Sikh with a turban, do you actually talk to them like they're anyone else or do you have an attitude change and feel uncomfortable?
 
What is situation in Quebec in terms of Mosques? If some non-islamic woman wants to visit, she has to wear a hijab right? If yes, then judge has all right she have to force taking off hijab in court, if not then she doesnt.
 
RK9039 said:
Including the bible or any other religious texts? isn't that a bit hypocritical considering it's meant to be a "secular place"?

Wtf man. This is actually a bit funny.
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Yes or you can sign an oath paper. The courts are based on old laws.... Plus There is still "God" in the national anthem.
 
phil-x said:
Yes or you can sign an oath paper. The courts are based on old laws.... Plus There is still "God" in the national anthem.
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So it's not a secular place then? if that's the case what exactly is the problem with the woman covering her hair?

I'm confused now.
 
There's some really terrible fucking posts here.

A baseball cap is not the same as a hijab. Canada is supposed to be a multicultural country that promotes acceptance and tolerance of all cultures, religions, and race.

If an article of clothing is religious in nature and does not obstruct the face or interfere with the judicial process then there's no good reason they should be forced to remove it.
 
bananafactory said:
There's some really terrible fucking posts here.

A baseball cap is not the same as a hijab. Canada is supposed to be a multicultural country that promotes acceptance and tolerance of all cultures, religions, and race.

If an article of clothing is religious in nature and does not obstruct the face or interfere with the judicial process then there's no good reason they should be forced to remove it.
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Quebec never accepted multiculturalism. People moving to Quebec are expected to adhere to its culture. Multiculturalism is a Canadian thing, not a Quebec one.
 
I want to jump on the screw Quebec band wagon. I worked for a Taiwanese company whose name was an English adjective. They opened a brand store in Montreal and got fined for not having the name in French. The case went to court over the fact that it was a brand name but the judge enforced the fine. There are stores in fucking France that don't have to have the brand name translated. The French gave you up 200 years ago for f'ing Haiti so get over it.

I have family that lives half way between Montreal and Quebec City and while they are nice they are incredibly stuck up about having a superior culture and not changing.
 
King Gilga said:
Not surprised it's in Quebec, the most racist part of canada.
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Manitoba and Alberta are worse towards First Nations people.

I hate identity politics but lets not pretend that racist pockets do not exist in the Rest of Canada.

phil-x said:
There is something like more than 80% of the Quebec population that would ban religious display in public, so it doesn't surprise me.
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ah Louise Beaudoin
that latter part of your quote comes from her mouth.

Louise Beaudoin is the biggest opponent of multiculturalism. In fact, the reason why there was a spike of Arab and Muslim immigrants was because they were from from French colonies and she was the immigration minister that made it happen.

Louise Beadoin had a hate on Italians and Greeks not speaking French at home. So Louse Beaudoin change Quebec's immigration policy to priotirize immigrants who already know French in advance (from former French colonies).
15, 20 years later, now these same Nationalists who complained about Italians and Greeks not speaking French are complaining about French speaking Arab immigrants for being Muslim, the same immigrants that they prioritized due to their knowledge of French.

Nationalists are just idiots
 
phil-x said:
Quebec never accepted multiculturalism. People moving to Quebec are expected to adhere to its culture. Multiculturalism is a Canadian thing, not a Quebec one.
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Quebec is Canada. End of story.

So it stands to reason that Quebec should adhere to multiculturalism.
 
phil-x said:
Quebec never accepted multiculturalism. People moving to Quebec are expected to adhere to its culture. Multiculturalism is a Canadian thing, not a Quebec one.
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Freedom of religion is protected in Canada, including Quebec.

Adhering to their culture (language etc) does not mean tossing out your faith or religious beliefs.
 
GSG Flash said:
Quebec is Canada. End of story.

So it stands to reason that Quebec should adhere to multiculturalism.
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I'm not native from Quebec, but it is hillarious for you to expect that. Tell that to the majority of people that don't want multiculturalism.
 
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