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I missed a couple days of Zoloft. Took my dog outside to pee, and suddenly for no reason got so angry that I leaped into the air and stomped my feet down on the ground so hard that it scared my dog into running all the way back to the house because he could sense how suddenly angry I was. Then I walked back to the house literally unable to unscrunch my face from a hideous angry frown and as I walked into my house I called my dog a little jerk. Then I proceeded to send mean messages to a friend of mine. I then spent three minutes thinking about how wonderful it would be to break my own toes and cause myself pain. Suddenly I snapped out of it and got really exhausted, realizing how fucking crazy I was being. Either it's that I haven't taken Zoloft in two days or I'm going fucking crazy. I've never had a reaction like that before, though. Usually if I miss days, I get extremely depressed, anxious, or sensitive, not overwhelmingly angry and crazy. It kind of scared me.
Anger and irritation are withdrawal symptoms. That does sound scary, but I would wait to see how you feel in a couple days. Mention it to your doctor the next time you see him/her. Also, I hope you pet your dog and apologized.
What about it is causing the anxiety? Is it the procrastination that makes you feel guilty for not making the call sooner, so you delay it and delay it? Or is it simply the act of talking to someone?
I would say both. Phone calls are the most difficult form of communication for me because I can't read body language. I feel uncomfortable and too easily interprete tone negatively. I also do procrastinate often, although mainly for what I just stated.
 
Most people are not fond of their own thing. Actors don't watch movies they are in, chefs prefer food they haven't cooked themselves, musicians don't listen to their own music all day. Don't beat yourself up because you're not Kanye West.
Your problem is not that you feel you suck at drawing. Your problem is that you think that somehow being great drawing is going to make everything better. It's not. It's a catch 22, and you're going to keep hitting this plateau, because art and creativity cannot be quantified into just good and bad, so easily.
It's a never changing process. Of putting something down that you feel.

Your ego is making you think you need this and that, but that is not how it works. Who gives a fuck? I mean really. Many of the greatest artists can go fuck themselves, while many of the people who are not talented end up coming up with some great stuff.

The key is to enjoy it, because you enjoy it. That's real power. If you are in it to be famous, or to be acknowledged or because you want anything other than to really just have fun with drawing, then well... Then I think your on the wrong path here. And that goes with everything.
I've had people close to me, give me a peptalk, when I lost too much sight of what I was doing, when really all that matters is having fun, not being respected or loved for the work that you do.

I train Martial Arts with this guy who is one of the best in the world at what he does. He was consistently in the top 5, in all big tournaments in the country, and could beat up 95% of the population. Insane skills, great physiqe. He was a goddamn walking superhero. And he was a miserable one.
Because like you, he walked around with all these expectations and beat himself up because it was never good enough.
Dude. A girl who got second place in a Miss America Beauty Pageant killed herself because she didn't win a few years ago.
So stop this bullshit. The things that matter are so insignificantly related to the things that do, which is, enjoying yourself. That's it. Enjoy the art, and do it with no expectation of getting anything out of it, besides the enjoyment the activity. When you can do that, I guarantee that you will be fulfilled.
Applying this mindset helped me a lot.
If you need suggested reading, I suggest the book the War on Art. An excellent book into slaying the demons of writers block, and other negative thought patterns surrounding creative endeavors.

Pretty much right. I'll look up the book sometime and give it a try.
 
I missed a couple days of Zoloft. Took my dog outside to pee, and suddenly for no reason got so angry that I leaped into the air and stomped my feet down on the ground so hard that it scared my dog into running all the way back to the house because he could sense how suddenly angry I was. Then I walked back to the house literally unable to unscrunch my face from a hideous angry frown and as I walked into my house I called my dog a little jerk. Then I proceeded to send mean messages to a friend of mine. I then spent three minutes thinking about how wonderful it would be to break my own toes and cause myself pain. Suddenly I snapped out of it and got really exhausted, realizing how fucking crazy I was being. Either it's that I haven't taken Zoloft in two days or I'm going fucking crazy. I've never had a reaction like that before, though. Usually if I miss days, I get extremely depressed, anxious, or sensitive, not overwhelmingly angry and crazy. It kind of scared me.

This kind of reaction happened to me when I tried trazodone for sleep. Just made me so damn irritable and snappy.

And for some music. Public Service Broadcasting. These guys are amazeballs.
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I received a call the other day from a support group. I don't know exactly what it entails, but I was referred to them months ago.

Got an appointment in over a month, and they're 3-5 minutes away which is nice. I hope it's not too intensive or often, though, because I hate schedules and don't like going out much.
 
So my counsellor has suggested I get tested for bipolar.

Part of me feels happy that there could potentially be a reason behind everything, part of me is terrified because it's a lot bigger than just depression and anxiety :/

Doctors appointment next week, I'm quite scared.
 
Arguments and fighting after literally a perfect day yesterday. Now apparently on the shit list for asking a question
Awesome.
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Apparently it's asking too much for her to be as open as I am with her when it comes to what's going on or who is who.
I'm open and always honest yet still can't be trusted with simple stuff but I can't get upset because I just like her that much :(
 
I am rapidly losing respect for just about everyone, including myself, as well as really beginning to wish I were not gay, and instead some asexual being. Which, given my non-existent sex life, social life, and extreme diversion to being around men, is the very likely end game.
 
I find it to be very isolating. Although I suppose I have no point of comparison, I'd like to want to be close to someone like that.

Oh, I am not opposed to being close to someone. After being involved in nothing but a constant string of lies since I was 14, and now I am 29, you lose sight of the fact that there may be something substantial and good in the world. I am so cynical now about it all that I really have a hard time finding a reason to live life for myself or for anyone else. Yet, I still continue to wake in the morning and go through my day living. It's astonishing, really.
 
Oh, I am not opposed to being close to someone. After being involved in nothing but a constant string of lies since I was 14, and now I am 29, you lose sight of the fact that there may be something substantial and good in the world. I am so cynical now about it all that I really have a hard time finding a reason to live life for myself or for anyone else. Yet, I still continue to wake in the morning and go through my day living. It's astonishing, really.

The fact that you carry on and still believe you can have a good life is a good sign surely?
 
Nearing college graduation. Not looking forward to post college life. Met some cool people here and finally discovered groups of people I could hang out and chill with for the first time in my life. I have a gut feeling that things will be down hill from here but trying my hardest to remain positive and live moment by moment. Feeling down.
 
Man I can't socialise. I just can't. I'm going to know my place and stay in my box from now on.

Socializing is overrated. I spent most of my youth wishing I could be open, talkative, and make friends like I've seen other people do with utter ease. And then I actually tried, and realized people aren't all that interesting.

Not that you should give up, but if you see yourself not fitting in in most situations, it may not necessarily be a bad thing or even your fault.
 
I try, and I either get mocked, or I get so anxious I throw up, or both. I just can't. Some people just aren't meant to make it and thats me and thats ok.

I used to (still) get sick around large groups of people, particularly when I'm *asked* to socialize with strangers. I'd feel nauseous, and desperately want to leave the vicinity. A damning biological reaction, it seemed like. It does get more manageable, for some.

But I wouldn't fault you for saying fuck it. I'm damn near close to that myself.
 
i really can't do it, it makes me feel so awful I'd rather be on my own. If I stay in on my own I don't waste money, I don't feel sick, I don't get so anxious I just want to hurt myself over and over.
 
I don't think words can properly explain this past week or what the fuck has been going on, but this is all I have.
"You're like my gay best friend"
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I dunno if this is mental related, but I have some serious sleeping issues. Been awake again for two days in a row and nothing helped me to settle down so far. I want to stay away from pills and the like, because that is neither a long term solution, nor something I want. I kinda feel stressed out due to exams, but I'm unsure if that is the (sole) cause, since my sleeping pattern is straight up fucked for over a decade. Been studying since 2nd of Januar almost every day. Not long each time, but every day. After 3 exams the next two are due in roughly 5 weeks and I started studying again after a break of 4 days. I couldn't sleep the first day 'off' either but slept the other days fine. There is obviously nothing I can do about the exams, so am I SOL?
 
I dunno if this is mental related, but I have some serious sleeping issues. Been awake again for two days in a row and nothing helped me to settle down so far. I want to stay away from pills and the like, because that is neither a long term solution, nor something I want. I kinda feel stressed out due to exams, but I'm unsure if that is the (sole) cause, since my sleeping pattern is straight up fucked for over a decade. Been studying since 2nd of Januar almost every day. Not long each time, but every day. After 3 exams the next two are due in roughly 5 weeks and I started studying again after a break of 4 days. I couldn't sleep the first day 'off' either but slept the other days fine. There is obviously nothing I can do about the exams, so am I SOL?

It is mental related. Sleep deprivation can fuck your life up big time.

I assume you're studying hardcore in front of a computer, so the first thing you can do is apply this ( https://justgetflux.com/ )
The blue light emitted by your monitor and TV screen fucks up your body and its ability to have a normal sleep pattern. You put in your location, and it will use that location data to find out the sunset at the place you live, and then make the colors more tinted yellow.

The second thing you can do is to try a Melatonin supplement. It has well documented effects and can freely be ordered online.
Your body produces Melatonin naturally, which controls your sleep pattern, but you can benefit from assistence if your sleep pattern has been wrecked after a long time. Many people take Melatonin if they work in jobs that has them having to get up at night or at irregular times. You might want to consult your doctor before taking them.
You said you want to avoid pills which is fine, but if you are suffering from a chemical deficet it's worth looking into. It takes a week or two for it to work, but I think it depends on the person if it helps it.
The big thing is that people want REM sleep. your brain is shit if it doesnt get into REM. Some people sleep 6-7 hours but never get into REM and that is bad bad bad bad.




Kinda both. If that makes sense.

It makes sense in the sense that you want it, but doesn't want to leave your comfort zone, because it hurts?

I've heard someone who could go to costume parties and because he was dressed up, his anexiety went away because he felt like he was not himself but someone else. That was interesting hearing about.
He said that he didn't feel that he could be judged or felt afraid when people looked at him because he was literally wearing a mask. Have you ever tried something like that, to see if it could reduce anxiety by trying to locate what the thing itself is?

You know, approach this as a personal experiment into yourself, not into being social. Could that help take the edge off?
I've also heard of some people who are so socially awkward and have so much anxiety that they can't talk to strangers, but who are able to either address a crowd in public forums (giving a speech) or perform a song and not feel limited by it. Eminem is totally unable to have a normal conversation with random people, but for some reason all his anxiety and awkwardness goes away when he raps.

You might think to yourself; How is this going to help you? Well, not knowing you, and not being a professional on these things, I can't honestly act like I know, but it seems to me as an outsider, that it is worth exploring some of these things.



Finally, have you tried starting a conversation or by saying it early, that you're nervous? Has that ever taken some of the anxiety off?
Or have you ever tried hypnotherapy to see if the anxiety has root in some situation or thing in your past?
 
Yeah I guess so. I had a really good friend for years till I moved to Ireland, that was 6 years ago, and we still talk, but I haven't seen him in such a long time, its not the same, I'd like it again.
 
It is mental related. Sleep deprivation can fuck your life up big time.

I assume you're studying hardcore in front of a computer, so the first thing you can do is apply this ( https://justgetflux.com/ )
The blue light emitted by your monitor and TV screen fucks up your body and its ability to have a normal sleep pattern. You put in your location, and it will use that location data to find out the sunset at the place you live, and then make the colors more tinted yellow.

The second thing you can do is to try a Melatonin supplement. It has well documented effects and can freely be ordered online.
Your body produces Melatonin naturally, which controls your sleep pattern, but you can benefit from assistence if your sleep pattern has been wrecked after a long time. Many people take Melatonin if they work in jobs that has them having to get up at night or at irregular times. You might want to consult your doctor before taking them.
You said you want to avoid pills which is fine, but if you are suffering from a chemical deficet it's worth looking into. It takes a week or two for it to work, but I think it depends on the person if it helps it.
The big thing is that people want REM sleep. your brain is shit if it doesnt get into REM. Some people sleep 6-7 hours but never get into REM and that is bad bad bad bad.
I don't think the former solution will help me, since I'm rather night active and more often than not go to sleep when the sun rises.

The Melatonin supplement doesn't sound like sleeping pills, so I will probably give it a shot, once I have looked deeper into it. Maybe it will also help to make my sleep more steady. 'Yesterday' I fell asleep for 5 minutes before waking up. =/

Thanks for your post.

Still awake btw. :X
 
Melatonin supplements aren't exactly regulated so it's usefulness might be iffy and maybe more of a placebo effect. I suggest just doing sleep hygiene:
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I dunno if this is mental related, but I have some serious sleeping issues. Been awake again for two days in a row and nothing helped me to settle down so far. I want to stay away from pills and the like, because that is neither a long term solution, nor something I want. I kinda feel stressed out due to exams, but I'm unsure if that is the (sole) cause, since my sleeping pattern is straight up fucked for over a decade. Been studying since 2nd of Januar almost every day. Not long each time, but every day. After 3 exams the next two are due in roughly 5 weeks and I started studying again after a break of 4 days. I couldn't sleep the first day 'off' either but slept the other days fine. There is obviously nothing I can do about the exams, so am I SOL?

I don't think the former solution will help me, since I'm rather night active and more often than not go to sleep when the sun rises.

The Melatonin supplement doesn't sound like sleeping pills, so I will probably give it a shot, once I have looked deeper into it. Maybe it will also help to make my sleep more steady. 'Yesterday' I fell asleep for 5 minutes before waking up. =/

Thanks for your post.

Still awake btw. :X


hey I can directly respond to this because I was having and still have the same issue.

taking this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003KLROVY/?tag=neogaf0e-20

and this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004GW6QBK/?tag=neogaf0e-20

have begun to help me sleep better than i have in years. Still pills but I figure I'm using them temporarily while I get my life sorted and start eating better and exercising. It's definitely done wonders for being able to actually fall asleep and actually feel rested.
 
Yeah I guess so. I had a really good friend for years till I moved to Ireland, that was 6 years ago, and we still talk, but I haven't seen him in such a long time, its not the same, I'd like it again.

Well, we are often not in control when friends and romantic partners and family members exit our lives for shorter or longer, or even permanent periods of time.


All, I'll say is that, being brave, means trying to do something about your demons. That's easier said than done, and I know it from my own life how that fight is a struggle ones entire life, but I think it is still worth a fight.

The thing about social anxiety from what I've seen is that we are often preoccupied about what other people are thinking about us. That is a weird thing to be fixated on, when really we should be thinking; what are other people thinking about themselves?

Eckartt Tolle (I haven't read his book, only an exert in an article) said that when he was going through a suicidal depression he one day, had this thought "I can't stand the me inside of me".

I began thinking that there was two of him. There was the "I" and the "Me". And one of them was who he really was, and then other was just his negative thoughts which reinforced how he perceived himself.
As far as I could understand it, his breakthrough was that, he could not distiniguish between his negative thought patterns, anxiety and constant fears, from his true being. The things had become so inter-connected. And I guess that is what his book is about.

In Psychology they talk about the power of body language, speech and posture effects the way you feel about yourself. It's why looking at someones body language is how we often subconsciously decide if someone is confident. But we live in a world that puts so much emphasis on words and talking. You go to an English exam. You don't go to an exam in body language, tone, eye contact and posture. Even though many of these things decides if you get the job, if you can build empathy with others, if they trust you.

Instead we put all the emphasis on the words, and that is wrong I think. Because it puts people in a place, where only smooth talkers can excel. The rest have to learn the other traits of communication between people.
I keep getting stunned when I read about some of my favorite people who was incredible introverted and had social anxiety. Like Queens Freddy Mercury. The guy was a total recluse, who was raised in a strange religion, grew up as gay in a time when that was not accepted, and really only had one friend.

But when you see Freddy Mercury on stage he is like the most powerful performer in the world. It really tells us, that brilliant people can really have difficult time playing all these small chit-chat games in the social sphere.
I think a great deal number of people, live in shadows. Many of whom, even people who do have social lives, live in a vacuum because of either being afraid of being alone (like my father) or feel pressure from society for being alone.


There is nothing wrong with being alone, but for my moneys worth, I have always often interpretated the things I am most scared about, or the things I have the most anxiety about, as the things I really should do, because at the end of the day, the only thing that is really scary, is laying on your death bed thinking about all the regrets.

When you read some of the articles about people who are 90 years old, and being asked about "what do you regret the most?" the unanimous answer among all of them is being afraid to take a leap of faith and do that thing that scared them.
We're all limited by our fears all the damn time. It takes tremendous courage and heart to put yourself out there, to suffer every day because you want to do something. To consciously decide that you want it to hurt now, but to feel better long term. That takes maturity.


Whatever capacity it may happen in, and in whatever way you may want to do it, or not do it, is up to you. As corny as it sounds, you already know what you really need, because you know the feel when you feel it. It's as simple as that.
And no person will ever feel the way you feel about something, so nobody else matters than you, and that is an encouraging thought, since you don't need others to control how to live your lfie. You can live it on your terms, and nobody else knows those terms better than you! Aka, being true to yourself!:)
 
Melatonin supplements aren't exactly regulated so it's usefulness might be iffy and maybe more of a placebo effect. I suggest just doing sleep hygiene:
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The two really really big adjustments that have helped me lately are the stable sleep schedule on the weekdays and weekends, and being more active. I would typically do 7am - 12am-ish during work nights and then stay up until 4, 5, 6 or later on Friday and Saturday. And man would that fuck me over the next few days as I tried to adjust back.

Being more active and going to the gym almost everyday is giving me a positive thing to do daily and it has helped my posture. Def recommend people with sleep issues to give that list a shot. And yes that melatonin is basically a placebo so it's good to make real changes.
 
Hi friends,

first time poster in the thread...

I was recently prescribed Cipralex by my doc to help with some long-standing anxiety issues. Unfortunately it's had some inconvenient side effects after five days. I seem to yawn a lot + I can't cum AT ALL

Has anyone experience with it? Does it pass? Other than that, it's been working great so far for me and apparently doesn't work to its full effect for a few weeks, which is awesome

Unfortunately, many anti-anxiety drugs and mood stabilizers subdue sympathetic responses are directly or indirectly by adjusting neurotransmitter levels in the brain. Increasing the amount of serotonin in the brain has shown to have a calming effect. But that may also create a subsidiary effect of making you feel tired. Ejaculation is a sympathetic response. Mind you, erection is a parasympathetic response. Which is why getting an erection isn't a problem, but ejaculation is.

It also is why you feel tired. Sympathetic response is the "fight or flight" response. Talk to your doctor about changing medication. Often times, a doctor will give you the most effective drug regardless of semi-harmless drug reactions like the inability to ejaculate. But if you, as a patient stress that sexual function is crucial for you, your doctor can maybe switch to a less effective drug that has less significant or different ADR's. (ADR stands for adverse drug reaction. Essentially all drugs have some adverse reaction / aka side-effect. When it comes to the body, there is no free lunch. If something goes up, something else has got to go down.
 
I have been using melatonin supplements daily for a few years now and have been able to sleep regularly since. I would fully recommend it to anyone that has sleeping issues!
 
Melatonin works, but it often makes me dream extremely vividly, and often about tough subjects. I've been using Valerian as an alternative, which worked wonders for a while. Now the tea I use is subbing in some lesser quality stuff, which makes it almost useless. My sleep hygiene is a mess.
 
Melatonin supplements aren't exactly regulated so it's usefulness might be iffy and maybe more of a placebo effect. I suggest just doing sleep hygiene:
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It's funny, I do all of those (except avoid caffeine and alcohol) and I always eat very well and I exercise daily, but none of those things have helped my depression one bit. Pretty annoying. I always hear about people saying exercising helps dramatically and I've seen the studies saying exercise is the best cure for depression, but I exercise habitually and it doesn't help me even slightly. In fact, I usually feel worse after exercise because I get awful mental fatigue from exercise.
 
It's funny, I do all of those (except avoid caffeine and alcohol) and I always eat very well and I exercise daily, but none of those things have helped my depression one bit. Pretty annoying. I always hear about people saying exercising helps dramatically and I've seen the studies saying exercise is the best cure for depression, but I exercise habitually and it doesn't help me even slightly. In fact, I usually feel worse after exercise because I get awful mental fatigue from exercise.

What sort of exercise do you, for how long and how intensely?
 
It's funny, I do all of those (except avoid caffeine and alcohol) and I always eat very well and I exercise daily, but none of those things have helped my depression one bit. Pretty annoying. I always hear about people saying exercising helps dramatically and I've seen the studies saying exercise is the best cure for depression, but I exercise habitually and it doesn't help me even slightly. In fact, I usually feel worse after exercise because I get awful mental fatigue from exercise.

Have you seen a doctor about it? Those sleep strategies definitely help improve your physical health, but they might not be enough alone to improve your mental health.
 
What sort of exercise do you, for how long and how intensely?

I alternate days between riding my road bike for about an hour and going to a bouldering gym for 1-2.5 hours. Occasionally both in the same day.

Have you seen a doctor about it? Those sleep strategies definitely help improve your physical health, but they might not be enough alone to improve your mental health.

Not yet. I do want to soon though, but my insurance is terrible and all that fun stuff. I've been making more of an effort lately to get an appointment with a doctor, but haven't gotten anything solid yet, just made a few calls.
 
It's funny, I do all of those (except avoid caffeine and alcohol) and I always eat very well and I exercise daily, but none of those things have helped my depression one bit. Pretty annoying. I always hear about people saying exercising helps dramatically and I've seen the studies saying exercise is the best cure for depression, but I exercise habitually and it doesn't help me even slightly. In fact, I usually feel worse after exercise because I get awful mental fatigue from exercise.

That is a very good list. One other thing my therapist mentioned is lighted screens. Things like your phone or tablets. The type of lighting on those will really hurt your sleep. It has to do with the kind of light and how it works on your eye's and brain.
I'm not a scientist but cutting out those two helped. Another thing that I found is a white noise machine. That really helped me. I was able to sleep for 4 hours straight which never happens.
 
Another thing that I found is a white noise machine. That really helped me. I was able to sleep for 4 hours straight which never happens.

I don't have a machine for it, but I have also found that sources of ambient noise help me immensely. I'm kind of twitching and easily disturbed when trying to go to sleep, so that base level of constant noise prevents little creaks (or my roommate) from waking me up or preventing falling asleep. My primary source for this is the ceiling fan. When I didn't have ceiling fans in college I struggled to fall asleep very often.
 
It's funny, I do all of those (except avoid caffeine and alcohol) and I always eat very well and I exercise daily, but none of those things have helped my depression one bit. Pretty annoying. I always hear about people saying exercising helps dramatically and I've seen the studies saying exercise is the best cure for depression, but I exercise habitually and it doesn't help me even slightly. In fact, I usually feel worse after exercise because I get awful mental fatigue from exercise.

I've had mood crashes after doing heavy exercise. One of the reasons I stopped working out.

I should start back up as I'm probably getting a gym membership for my birthday later this month.


Anyway, cool
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I'm just gonna get this down in writing so Its not swirling round in my head.

My brother is moving to the US in 3 months. Boyfriend, job, great. My other brother has a wife, a great government job, a lovely wife, young daughter. My other sister is engaged to a super bloke, they're thinking about kids. My mum has moved on, met a really great bloke, he's a very nice chap and takes care of her.

And I'm just me. And earlier this evening, my mums boyfriend asked me if we could have a chat, man to man, he's very nice like that. He's going to propose to her, and him, my mum, and my younger sister are all going to move. And he doesn't want me to come. It mean its not an unreasonable thing, and he wasn't unpleasant about it, I am 22 (only just) He said he'll help me out and we'll help you get settled and you can come visit anytime.

It was just a shock thats all. Even my friend in England, he's moved on, he has a super girlfriend, they're going backpacking for a year soon, thats also super. I mean why should he wait for me exactly, I haven't seen him properly in quite a long time.

But everyone else is going and moving on and having these amazing new experiences and all that craic, and I am the same bloke I was when my dad was put in prison. I weight a bit less maybe. But I have nothing, i'm a disposable loser whose only recourse is to hurt himself, and thats all I'll ever be, while everyone else grows and moves on and maybe I should just accept that.
 
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