Digimon Adventure Tri: Final egg hatched! First PV will be shown on 6th of May

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Adventure being a TV show is a bit wonky, but it's also such a non-issue for me and I feel it helped better tie together a lot of the Tamers style of story and themes. While I think Tamers is easily the best season, there are WAAAAY bigger issues I have with it like how Kazu, Kenta, and Ryo work into the story as tamers. If you guys want to talk completely pointless, unnecessary, weird fanservice pandering, and adding pretty much nothing to the story, it's freakin Ryo in a nutshell.

I knew nothing about the games, but I liked Ryo. The concept of someone who didn't happen to be part of the main trio but was a powerful Tamer himself was a nice change from making the entire universe coincidently spin around the main Tamers.

I mean, the Tamers tv show itself doesn't acknowledge any of the dimension hijincks stuff about him coming from the Adventure world, so he really doesn't stick out unless you actually know what he's supposed to be.
 
Because they do? Rough to you is amazing to another.

I mean, I can point all the mistakes the dubs made, but at the end of the day if people prefer it as just being a nostalgic cheesy pun-filled action cartoon, then who am I to shit on them for that?

But at the same time that song's just sooooooo bad. Like, second-hand embarrassment bad. The script I can just kinda laugh off but that and the random celebrity impersonations are just too cringey..

CHAMPIONS UUHVV THE DIGITAL WERLD

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I'm not going to quote everybody, there's far too many, but the idea that Adventure isn't in the Japanese version of Tamers is WRONG.

Head Writer Chiaki J. Konaka's early notes on Tamers said:
- As cards, as games, and as toys, the characters of Digimon are deeply recognized by children.- Children's interaction with the network via the internet and cel phones should be close to reality.* We will not touch on the animated series "Digimon Adventures", or the manga comic series in the magazines at the beginning of the story.* However, the characters of "Digimon Adventures" seasons 1 and 2, whom children loved, will be the heroes of the children in their series, like mentors and idols. When the series has begun to turn, there may be some value in letting them appear.

...

- I have thought about introducing digimon, even characters from Season 1 and 2. The children in the audience would be very happy to see characters they recognize make another appearance, and at the same time we could make a strong impact on one of the concepts of the third season, that fiction, in the form of the Network (Digital World) is invading reality.

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However as time went on Konaka decided against doing a complete crossover, as he thought it would be nothing but "fan service" and he didn't want that.

Head Writer Chiaki J. Konaka's later notes on Tamers said:
Digimon Tamers is created as a totally separate series from the previous two seasons. However, as I wrote in my early notes, I created the world view of Digimon Tamers as one that includes "Digimon Adventures" (Digimon Seasons 1 and 2).

When Takato announces to Guilmon that he is a tamer, he puts on a pair of goggles, the iconic symbol of the main characters from Digimon Seasons 1 and 2. This was my manifesto for the unique world view of Digimon Tamers.

However, this was something that was necessary to show the children in real world (already familiar with the Digimon series) the line between reality and fiction. I felt that it would not be in the best interests of Digimon fans *or* the children now enjoying Digimon Tamers if these characters interacted with the world of Digimon Adventures, or with the characters from the previous series. (I am told that when the series began, many fans wished for links to the two previous seasons of Digimon. However, I believe that it is dishonest and unfair for writers to give in to these requests as"fan service".)

At what point Konaka decided this, was probably during production of the Tamers movie "The Adventurers Battle" and the results of which can still be seen.

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But then Konaka ran into a problem. He did not want to do a crossover but he wanted to maintain the element of Adventure in the Tamers universe. So how could he reference things, without obviously referencing things, so it would still be there, but subtlety?

Head Writer Chiaki J. Konaka's later notes on Tamers said:
My conundrum came when Takato, who adores all things Digimon and loves Guilmon more than anyone in the world, gives in to the weakness and confusion within him to make Guilmon digivolve into a horrifying form. Something very powerful was needed to guide Takato to the proper path to digivolution.

What could give Takato this strong impact? Who else but the main character of Digimon, Tai, and his partner Agumon?

Episode 35

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Chiaki J. Konaka's later notes on Tamers said:
When creating the rough structure of the middle section of the series, I put forth this idea.

A huge debate ensued between myself and the producer, the director, and the many other staff members. The one thing that we all believed was that we wanted to choose whichever path would make "Digimon Tamers" a better dramatic series. My conundrum had the unexpected result of allowing me to confirm that all our hearts were as one on this issue.

We were unable to come to a conclusion through committee, and so I took it upon myself to come up with an answer. Thus, episode 35 ("Give A Little Bit") was created. Part of what helped me decide that the episode would work was some words of advice from Mr. Hiroyuki Kakudou, who was series director for the first season of Digimon, as well as the director for this episode.

Episode 35 said:
Takato: I'm data too... Since I'm in the Digital World... But... the time I spent with Guilmon was completely real. The feelings we shared were real...

Guilmon Voice Over:That's right Takato. We'll always be friends!

Takato: Guilmon!!! S-so many Guilmon... No! My Guilmon is the only one! No matter how much his data has multiplied, Guilmon... the Guilmon that was with me...

Takato: Thanks for being here Guilmon.

flintlock's analysis of Episode 35 said:
They don't explicitly say Digimon Adventures exists in Tamers, but it is heavily implied, so there's no real doubt in my mind that Adventures is the anime in Tamers anymore. It's too obvious. I actually mentioned this in my first post in this thread but I didn't realize that it was the episode Konaka talked about. I'm not sure I would have ever caught this as a kid if I didn't watch the dub. Episode 35 is the episode after Leomon dies at the hands of Bleezebumon, and Takato goes into a fit of rage and Guilmon evolves into Megidramon. After Megidramon is knocked unconscious Bleezebumon fires bullets at Takato and we see a few symbolic scenes inside his head. He looks at a toy of an Agumon and smiles. He starts colouring his Guilmon sketch and cries. He comes to the realization that despite being data his experiences are real and there is only one Guilmon. And of course this triggers their ultimate evolution to Dukemon. It's metafictional on a few levels. You can replace most of his angst about Guilmon being simply data as being a cartoon character. He's telling the viewers that their experiences with Digimon are real despite being a cartoon that is enjoyed by millions of other kids, that's why there are so many Guilmon in that scene.

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However, the thing about subtlety is that it isn't always picked up on. That's why in the years since Tamers, Toei and Bandai have made it much more obvious.

Takato in Xros Wars 78 said:
It's so cool, being able to see those two (Taichi and Daisuke) side by side.

Digimon Adventure PSP said:
Taichi: Yep! I'm Taichi Yagami, and this is Agumon!
Agumon: Nice to meet ya~
Takato: Taichi Yagami?! Agumon?!
Taichi: ?? Something wrong?
Takato: Not really... but you have the same name as a famous Tamer.
Guilmon: Hey Agumon, Takato is big fan of your Tamer.
Takato: Guilmon, shhhhhhh!
Taichi: Hm?
Takato: W-We were just talking. Hahaha....

...


Guilmon: Hey, Takato?
Takato: What's up, Guilmon?
Guilmon: Why are you keeping it a secret we've seen Taichi and Agumon before?
Takato: Do you think they'd believe me if I said that?
Guilmon: Yep!
Takato: If I said that, I think I'd just confuse them.
Guilmon: Think so?
Takato: If I told them that Digimon was super popular in our world, they'd
be super shocked.
Takato: Besides, I'm happy enough just adventuring with someone I admire.
Taichi: Oi! Takato!
Takato: Yes, Taichi?!
Taichi: Break's over, we're leaving!
Takato: Alright, we're coming!
Takato: The kids back at school are never going to believe this.
Guilmon: Takato, you look really happy!
Takato: Remember, this is a secret, boy.
Guilmon: Kay!

...

Takato: I see... Well then, Taichi, can you do me one favor?
Taichi: A favor? What is it?
Takato: Can you shake my hand?!
Taichi: Wha-
Takato: Please! I'm begging you!
Taichi: Well... Okay.
(Handshake occurs)
Takato: WOWWIE! I SHOOK YOUR HAND! THANKS SO MUCH!
Guilmon: Good for you, Takato.
Taichi: Don't know what that was about, but I'm glad I could help!

And all of this is why the Japanese fanbase, who knows nothing of the English dub or any other dub and could care less, makes fanart like this.

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I was actually aware of both the PSP games dialogue and the Xros Wars stuff. Didn't know about the other stuff, thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I decided not to direct this at any one person, but at the fandom at large. I've seen people say that the Adventure in Tamers thing was only because of the dub everywhere. So I wanted to make one giant reference post.
 
I'm not going to quote everybody, there's far too many, but the idea that Adventure isn't in the Japanese version of Tamers is WRONG.



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However as time went on Konaka decided against doing a complete crossover, as he thought it would be nothing but "fan service" and he didn't want that.



At what point Konaka decided this, was probably during production of the Tamers movie "The Adventurers Battle" and the results of which can still be seen.

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But then Konaka ran into a problem. He did not want to do a crossover but he wanted to maintain the element of Adventure in the Tamers universe. So how could he reference things, without obviously referencing things, so it would still be there, but subtlety?



Episode 35

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However, the thing about subtlety is that it isn't always picked up on. That's why in the years since Tamers, Toei and Bandai have made it much more obvious.





And all of this is why the Japanese fanbase, who knows nothing of the English dub or any other dub and could care less, makes fanart like this.

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http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1364988
Nice post. This clarifies some things but I still don't see how they could explain one reality being a TV show in another reality.
 
I'm not going to quote everybody, there's far too many, but the idea that Adventure isn't in the Japanese version of Tamers is WRONG.



Source for Konaka

However as time went on Konaka decided against doing a complete crossover, as he thought it would be nothing but "fan service" and he didn't want that.



At what point Konaka decided this, was probably during production of the Tamers movie "The Adventurers Battle" and the results of which can still be seen.

i5jWD4F.gif


But then Konaka ran into a problem. He did not want to do a crossover but he wanted to maintain the element of Adventure in the Tamers universe. So how could he reference things, without obviously referencing things, so it would still be there, but subtlety?



Episode 35

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Source for flintlock

However, the thing about subtlety is that it isn't always picked up on. That's why in the years since Tamers, Toei and Bandai have made it much more obvious.





And all of this is why the Japanese fanbase, who knows nothing of the English dub or any other dub and could care less, makes fanart like this.

htDGDza.jpg


http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1364988
this... feels complicating
wow....now this is more like it. Actually like the designs here.

The nostalgia ;___;
hyp't
 
I'm honestly not even sure what to expect. Going over the staff list not a single writer or episode director seems to be returning for Tri and the art is completely different.
At least they will have the theme song but I feel that this will be quite a big departure from the original in every way possible.
 
I'm honestly not even sure what to expect. Going over the staff list not a single writer or episode director seems to be returning for Tri and the art is completely different.
At least they will have the theme song but I feel that this will be quite a big departure from the original in every way possible.

It's perhaps concerning (especially given that the director doesn't exactly have a great history), although it's not like a lot of the people responsible for the originals have been pretty active lately. Hiroyuki Kakudou hasn't directed a show in years and years, and even his episode directing credits have been pretty slim lately. He might not have been an ideal choice to return as a series director, even if he was responsible for the original. I'd like it if he could at least direct one episode, though.

As of right now, all we know is the main director and head writer. I would guess there's a decent chance of us getting some returning episode writers or directors, if nothing else.

Tonally it will probably be a departure, but you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. It's most important that they try to create a good show which can hit on the right notes from the original while also doing its own thing.
 
It's perhaps concerning (especially given that the director doesn't exactly have a great history), although it's not like a lot of the people responsible for the originals have been pretty active lately. Hiroyuki Kakudou hasn't directed a show in years and years, and even his episode directing credits have been pretty slim lately. He might not have been an ideal choice to return as a series director, even if he was responsible for the original. I'd like it if he could at least direct one episode, though.

As of right now, all we know is the main director and head writer. I would guess there's a decent chance of us getting some returning episode writers or directors, if nothing else.

Tonally it will probably be a departure, but you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. It's most important that they try to create a good show which can hit on the right notes from the original while also doing its own thing.

Yeah, I completely agree with your last paragraph. I just hope I won't be like "ok whatever" after the first episode.
 
I'm not going to quote everybody, there's far too many, but the idea that Adventure isn't in the Japanese version of Tamers is WRONG.

Source for Konaka

However as time went on Konaka decided against doing a complete crossover, as he thought it would be nothing but "fan service" and he didn't want that.

At what point Konaka decided this, was probably during production of the Tamers movie "The Adventurers Battle" and the results of which can still be seen.

i5jWD4F.gif


But then Konaka ran into a problem. He did not want to do a crossover but he wanted to maintain the element of Adventure in the Tamers universe. So how could he reference things, without obviously referencing things, so it would still be there, but subtlety?

Episode 35

S4yj7N5.png


uxqfz9U.png


IQBTsxC.png


3RQvlGT.png


Source for flintlock

However, the thing about subtlety is that it isn't always picked up on. That's why in the years since Tamers, Toei and Bandai have made it much more obvious.

And all of this is why the Japanese fanbase, who knows nothing of the English dub or any other dub and could care less, makes fanart like this.

htDGDza.jpg


http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1364988

that sounds more like wishful thinking on using something that didn't eventually came true

Reminds me of PR fans arguing about Scorpion Rain.
 
I'm honestly not even sure what to expect. Going over the staff list not a single writer or episode director seems to be returning for Tri and the art is completely different.
At least they will have the theme song but I feel that this will be quite a big departure from the original in every way possible.

Considering the issues with 02 writing, it might not be a bad idea that they won't be returning for Tri.

At the very least, there will hopefully be more consistency with character development and some proper character arcs for people.
 
Still no new egg to rub and my GEM figures haven't showed up yet :( This weekend is full of disappointments... I hope the figures come in later today. I've really got to stop getting unregistered mail and then stressing myself out (but I still go back each time cause cheap).
 
So while we're waiting on the next egg. I just finished watching Digimon Savers again (showing it to my fiancee for the first time, my second time watching it).

I forgot how good it is, really enjoyed it. It has a lot of that focus on family stuff we got in Adventure such as Tohma's father, sister not to mention his
Mother in episode 15 ;_;
. (Oh and his Father's mother is a total dick), Ikuto's parents, not too much on Yoshino sadly but there were enough said to get how her family life probably was like but I wish we got more.

And of course Masaru's family, the Daimon's. Chika (<3 love her relationship with Piyomon), Sayuri and Suguru all have a big focus on them.

I also like how each of the support characters got at least some focus on them, the twins several times, Satsuma , Yushima and even Chika near the end got in on the action with Garudamon.
(Digivice? Who needs a digivice to digivolve their partner :P Chika doesn't!)

With no other information, I also say Ikuto and Chika probably get together :P they seemed awfully close in the end :P (haha, can't discuss a series of Digimon without some shipping :P )

Also Kurata is easily one of the best villains (considering how easy it is to hate him. I'd classify that as him doing his job very very well lol).

So yeah, Savers is a pretty good series honestly plus dat OST <3.

Quick Japanese -> English names guide for this post incase anyone who hasn't watched the JP version needs it:

Japanese Name -> English Name

Digimon Savers -> Digimon Data Squad
Daimon -> Damon
Chika -> Kristy
Masaru -> Marcus
Suguru -> Spencer
Sayuri -> Sarah
Piyomon -> Biyomon
Tohma -> Thomas
Yoshino -> Yoshi (technically not a name change, just a nickname added in the EN version
Ikuto -> Keenan
Satsuma -> Sampson

I believe that's all of them. There is a lot more changes in this series name wise at least (only watched up to ep 15 in english) than in previous series'
 
I wasn't a big fan of that season overall, but I love the Men in Black premise and I think Marcus+Agumon is the best pairing in the entire series. Great chemistry between them. Partners not because they were just "WE'RE FRIENDS YAY" but because they respected each other's ability to fight. Especially loved how they were equals in many ways like when Agumon wasn't around, Marcus would just fight Digimon by himself.
 
Was there ever another Tamer that would go so far and just punch an enemy Digimon in the Face?

Honestly, that's what I loved the most about Marcus
 
So my GEM figures finally came in the mail.

Looks like mine had no issues with putting them together, but I didn't face-swap or anything . Not sure how I feel about Picodevimon though :p
 
Masaru was indeed awesome :D

So my GEM figures finally came in the mail.

Looks like mine had no issues with putting them together, but I didn't face-swap or anything . Not sure how I feel about Picodevimon though :p

Did Tailmon's tail come off when putting her together? Because if not then what in the fucking fuck.

I literally barely touched her tail, just tried to put her on the stand and then suddenly it fell off and I couldn't put it back in without it falling. (I can see how the face swapping might have hurt the Takeru figure but I can't see how Tailmon's tail came off so easily and wouldn't go back in)
 
Did Tailmon's tail come off when putting her together? Because if not then what in the fucking fuck.

I literally barely touched her tail, just tried to put her on the stand and then suddenly it fell off and I couldn't put it back in without it falling. (I can see how the face swapping might have hurt the Takeru figure but I can't see how Tailmon's tail came off so easily and wouldn't go back in)

Nope, nothing like that. I took extra care with putting them together because of your issues, but no random appendages popping off.

Hmmm I wonder if Amiami can do replacements?
 
I loved Savers back when it aired. It vies with Tamers for the sport of my favorite, with Adventure a little bit behind. I'm looking forward to rewatching both of them (once I can finally muster my courage to finish this 02 rewatch, which has been going for about three weeks even though I watched all of Adventure in seven days).

Masaru was a great protagonist, and Ikuto was probably my favorite character. The series also had two of the all time biggest bros as Digimon in BanchouLeomon and Craniummon. And yeah, Kurata was one of the best (as in easiest to hate) villains across any Digimon series.
 
Hmm that director really is worrying me. After having seen Katanagatari, one of the few well regarded titles of his, I'm afraid to say that i found the direction in that series fairly week. There was so much dialog with completely dull, medium/long profile shots of people talking to each other. (don't know the actual term for these shots) Just a complete visual bore.

Although he did not storyboard all episodes and perhaps the ones he did were the better ones? Can't be bothered to check though.
 
I think Savers would have been much better if its later half was longer than its first. The last 13 episodes of the show make it for me.
 
Hmm that director really is worrying me. After having seen Katanagatari, one of the few well regarded titles of his, I'm afraid to say that i found the direcionar in that series fairly week. There was so much dialog with completely dull, medium/long profile shots of people talking to each other. (don't know the actual term for these shots) Just a complete visual bore.

Although he did not storyboard all episodes and perhaps the ones he did were the better ones? Can't be bothered to check though.
I think we all should keep our expectations low
 
I had the nicest dream last night...

There was a Nintendo Direct (minus the Nintendo... just a "game" direct I guess, but not E3 either) and they announced Cyber Sleuth for the west, AND the new anime that would also be later in the year, accompanying the show. Right after that they announced what looked like Re;Digitize and I sat there shouting and clapping, so happy :) Went straight to the topic here and started posting stuff.

Dumb dream that needs to happen for reals :(
 
I think we all should keep our expectations low

It'd be easier to tell if we should have high, medium or low expectations if we knew what the fuck this new series was about.

Right now, the only expectations we can have is about the art direction which for me is fairly high expectations for the art based off of the latest poster. Need to see it in motion but based off the poster, I think it will be a pretty good looking series :)
 
Yeah honestly only the "powercreep of non-leader and rival" is the flaw of it... and maybe the running away Knights pegged it down. But otherwise it's pretty great.

I rarely see XW talk outside of /m/ and /a/ though.
 
I am very close to the point of thinking they won't get this done before the TV show starts unless they delay it.

I hope the next egg is put up by next week and isn't long. :/
 
I think we all should keep our expectations low

Yup


For those that haven't seen it,V-Jump Leak:


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No release date here either. With no teasers or confirmed channel....April isn't looking good as a release date.

EDIT:
From a random user on With The Will:
Yeah, there's no real new information in the scan, unfortunately. The right text talks about the new key visual, and how the grown-up kids and the weathered rail car give a sense of the passage of time. The bottom left box talks about Wada Kouji and Miyazaki Ayumi and that they've been decided on as the singers for the theme song, and mentioning the other Digimon songs they've done. The bottom right box is the standard thing about the official site and how they're releasing new information on it. The very bottom talks about (in the visual) how the children are gathered in 'that nostalgic place', and something about 'why is Hikari waving her hand?', but I can't make it out clearly because of the weibo URL watermark.

Interestingly (? I'm grasping at straws, here), the verb they use to describe Tri in the big right text is &#32974;&#21205;&#65288;&#12383;&#12356;&#12393;&#12358;&#65289;, which my dictionary defines as either 'quickening' or 'fetal movement,' so the latter could maybe point towards there being quite a bit of time left before the actual air date. Again, though, this is very very nit-picky and slight, so basically still no news on an air date. I'm personally inclined to believe it will be closer to summer since we basically haven't been getting any news at all, but I'm not really up on how these things usually work anyways.
 
I didn't get to watch any of the animes after season 3, I guess things got complicated with fox kids.

season 4 was, digimon frontier yeah? was that connected with tamers or is that yet another separated setting?
 
I would not be surprised if this got delayed, what with how scarce info/actual shots from the anime itself have been. The optimist in me likes to think that it being delayed means that the people behind it want it to be top tier, best quality it can be. The pessimist/realist in me just points out that Toei gonna Toei.
 
I didn't get to watch any of the animes after season 3, I guess things got complicated with fox kids.

season 4 was, digimon frontier yeah? was that connected with tamers or is that yet another separated setting?

It was another separated setting. It was basically Mighty Morphin' Digi Rangers.
 
I didn't get to watch any of the animes after season 3, I guess things got complicated with fox kids.

season 4 was, digimon frontier yeah? was that connected with tamers or is that yet another separated setting?

Yeah. Season 4 is its own universe. Season 5 is its own universe. Season 6+7+8 are their own universe (with some crossover weirdness).
 
I would not be surprised if this got delayed, what with how scarce info/actual shots from the anime itself have been. The optimist in me likes to think that it being delayed means that the people behind it want it to be top tier, best quality it can be. The pessimist/realist in me just points out that Toei gonna Toei.

Digimon Adventure Tri! Coming this spr- er summ- er fall 2015!!
 
I would not be surprised if this got delayed, what with how scarce info/actual shots from the anime itself have been. The optimist in me likes to think that it being delayed means that the people behind it want it to be top tier, best quality it can be. The pessimist/realist in me just points out that Toei gonna Toei.
What did toei do? Bringing it back without the original writer or director was a weird ass decision considering they're allegedly doing this for the fans. As long as it doesn't ruin adventure for me I'll be satisfied I guess.
 
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