Here's an idea; amiibo support where you can play as Marth, Ike, Lucina, and Robin in someway.
And Shulk too just because it'd be amazing.
Maybe we'll get Illusory Revelations#XC next
...I kind of want that.
And then Illusory Revelations#Zelda.
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Illusory Revelations#FE (SMTxFE) - First Trailer, Winter 2015 [Up: Screenshots]
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Maybe we'll get Illusory Revelations#XC next
...I kind of want that.
And then Illusory Revelations#Zelda.
My point was that the pandering to certain demographics is there. Saying "it may tie into her personality" is simply an excuse that can be levied with any sort of pandering.
Regulus Tera
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crabhammer
Member
The jpop reveal bamboozled the fuck out of me. I was watching the direct with my roommates and a couple of us started going nuts when we saw Atlus and Nintendo pop up, then we were convinced it WASNT SMT x FE, then it turned out to be SMT x FE.
I barely know what to think anymore. I'm gonna keep a close eye on it, and I'm cautiously optimistic, but good lord this isn't what I was expecting AT ALL.
I barely know what to think anymore. I'm gonna keep a close eye on it, and I'm cautiously optimistic, but good lord this isn't what I was expecting AT ALL.
thread's more mellow now
yep. the lack of self awareness in this thread is fucking insane.
yep. the lack of self awareness in this thread is fucking insane.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Here's an idea; amiibo support where you can play as Marth, Ike, Lucina, and Robin in someway.
And Shulk too just because it'd be amazing.
I prefer to be able to play as Marth, Ike, Lucina, and Robin without having to buy some low-quality, hard-to-get figures.
zeopower6
Member
Hell, even the official website is like weird neon-green-off-P4.
Candescence
Member
How did I not know this before? Wow. Their works really do speak for themselves. They've got the kind of distinctive look that actually comes close to being 2D while actually looking three-dimensional, if you get my drift.
Yeah, I love having a turn order bar in turn-based battles, it really adds an extra layer of depth for you to plan out your moves and to speed up your characters as well as slow down the enemy. Seeing Marino in Mega Man X: Command Mission go Hyper Mode and just dominate the order bar with extra turns is a blast.
Francokid1
Member
I'm really hyped for this. Even if it wasn't what I was expecting. It definitely looks fun.
I hope they keep the amount of fan service to a minimum.
I hope they keep the amount of fan service to a minimum.
Some of this sound like reaching tbh, the character transforming at battle for example is nothing I would pick from Persona.
Have you ever seen or played an actual SMT game before
Let say, they're in Tokyo, and?
There's almost nothing in that trailer that I will identify to SMT series.
Heck, the logo alone is SCREAMS Persona
SMT, the mainline series at least, have Tokyo as its setting and main motifs. The only reason why SMT Strange Journey couldn't be called SMT IV is because the game don't take place in (ruined) Tokyo. Persona 5 also called to return to its root after showing demon as its enemy AND take place in Tokyo.
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Colour palette=Fire Emblem
High School Protagonist/Young Protagonist= FE and SMT
Japan Anime= Fire Emblem and SMT
U don't need to link to Persona here. It is already more or less SMT and FE.
There is usually a map for the overworld. The 3D sequences in the city are usually hubs with shops and npcs.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Again, the pandering in this trailer is way higher than that. Did you see people complaining about the girl having a cat costume in the P5 trailer? No. Do you see people being off put about the pandering in this game? Yes.
Character designs where you can see underwear.....come on now its so obvious. I just did not expect it to come from this collab.
The analysis going on in the last two pages have made me way more interested in this than I was at first glance. It seems there may actually be a lot "hidden" under the surface so to speak.
That song fucking sucked on an unrelated note
Er yes actually
Also let's be real, the only difference between "pandering" and "not pandering" is whether or not you like or are comfortable with whatever is being "pushed"
That song fucking sucked on an unrelated note
Er yes actually
Also let's be real, the only difference between "pandering" and "not pandering" is whether or not you like or are comfortable with whatever is being "pushed"
Earthpainting
Member
I forgot this existed, so it's a nice surprise to see it resurface.
The "realistic characters who suffer from many conflicts and worries in modern-day Japan" comment makes it sound more Persona than any other offshoot, but I've thought this before about some of these spin-off series and I've been proven wrong. From what little I could rather from the trailer, it looked like it was drenching a large part of its aesthetic in flashy lights and performance stages. The designs also looked like it going to lean into the idol performer stuff. There are plenty of routes it could be taken into stuff, so speculation may be a bit early.
The Fire Emblem aspect of the product weird me out a bit. The few things I could recognise were bizarre redesign references, and most of it seemed to be limited to some kind of alternate world. Not a huge fan of the designs in general so far, because there is such a large contrast at play, but it may grow on me over time. Either way, they've got my attention.
The "realistic characters who suffer from many conflicts and worries in modern-day Japan" comment makes it sound more Persona than any other offshoot, but I've thought this before about some of these spin-off series and I've been proven wrong. From what little I could rather from the trailer, it looked like it was drenching a large part of its aesthetic in flashy lights and performance stages. The designs also looked like it going to lean into the idol performer stuff. There are plenty of routes it could be taken into stuff, so speculation may be a bit early.
The Fire Emblem aspect of the product weird me out a bit. The few things I could recognise were bizarre redesign references, and most of it seemed to be limited to some kind of alternate world. Not a huge fan of the designs in general so far, because there is such a large contrast at play, but it may grow on me over time. Either way, they've got my attention.
Ummm..... Pegasus Knight in FE series had always wear very revealing clothing.
I would say the reason why the fanservice looks a lot bigger than usuall is simply the 3D now is on bigger screen and the character is much more detailed.
I imagine any sane japanese SMT fan will fucking throwup.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The analysis going on in the last two pages have made me way more interested in this than I was at first glance. It seems there may actually be a lot "hidden" under the surface so to speak.
That song fucking sucked on an unrelated note
Er yes actually
Also let's be real, the only difference between "pandering" and "not pandering" is whether or not you like or are comfortable with whatever is being "pushed"
Its hardly the same reaction. The reaction here is far more negative. There are clearly different levels of pandering.
Reaction here is America doesn't get nor respect Idol culture.
It's clear that the idol life here is a pivotal kind of escape for the MCs when they refer to the daily lives and problems the kids face in today's society.
Chittagong
Gold Member
It looks a lot like Persona to me. Colours, typography, screen UI, perspective all remind me more of Persona than FE or SMT. I have no issue with that.
OmegaDL50
Member
I'm sure I could avatar quote this if I wanted to, but I won't.
You should very well know the Japanese audience and their sensibilities towards this stuff is very much different in how it's interpreted in the West.
Maybe they are waiting for more info first before overreacting? After. All, we do see Ruined Tokyo in the teaser. Who knows if the second half of the game everything goes ruined path like DeSu or SMT?
immortal-joe
Member
So this was secret way for Nintendo to get its own Persona? That's actually kind of genius.
i kind of doubt it will, but oh the debates that will be had from now into eternity.
I second this. Now, what we need is a release date. Perhaps they announce it on E3?
If Atlus releases two great console RPGs in one year, isn't that good for everyone?
That can describe 90% of JRPGs today.
Here's concept art for a Persona 4 character
Here's concept art for another Atlus SMT spinoff series, Devil Survivor
I know I'm being really biased with the images I chose, but they both sum up how I feel about the different directions the series go. I could go find better examples and make a better case, but I'm tired.
They both hit every criteria, but it's pretty clear that stylistically, they're not the same. #FE feels way more Devil Survivor than Persona.
OmegaDL50
Member
I actually wouldn't care if this game turned out to be better than Persona 5 or not.
I am getting both, so on the chance that SMT X FE does manage be that good, then that simply means two quality jRPGs to play rather than one
chaobreaker
Member
Man, you'd think the creators of the Persona series wouldn't make such a basic looking game.
Looks terrible.
Looks terrible.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Ummm..... Pegasus Knight in FE series had always wear very revealing clothing.
I would say the reason why the fanservice looks a lot bigger than usuall is simply the 3D now is on bigger screen and the character is much more detailed.
How is that the same as what I'm talking about. Its not. For instance the girl on the far left.
I'm not inherently calling it wrong btw. I'm just noting the change that I find off putting.
wait what?
Reading this thread a bit, I'm actually quite a few people don't like it... I'll repeat that I haven't played any SMT or Persona games, so there may be some mistakes on the way I view things.
SMT always seemed a bit fantasy-medieval like FE and my first though for a crossover was a "union" of these worlds. Basically, FE and SMT characters from different eras. A bit like Project X Zone or Hyrule Warriors but with FE and SMT characters. This may please some people but it would essentially be a fan service game. Not being a fan of one of the series, my interest was pretty slim and I mainly cared for the FE aspect of this.
And now we got this. It seems to follow the Persona games more. Modern and high school setting, maybe even that anime fan service stuff. The settings and characters are unique and essentially, it seems like it has elements of FE series. It's not a crossover but a game with elements of FE, made by Atlus. And I like this much more than a crossover of two somewhat niche series.
Also, I don't really find the anime stuff that bad. Sure, the bit with the exploding clothes was kind of ridiculous but I can't see the game being full of things like that. And after watching the Persona 5 trailer, the game seems even more pleasing to me. It's really fresh for Wii U. I just only hope that this will be out by the end of 2015 in Europe...
SMT always seemed a bit fantasy-medieval like FE and my first though for a crossover was a "union" of these worlds. Basically, FE and SMT characters from different eras. A bit like Project X Zone or Hyrule Warriors but with FE and SMT characters. This may please some people but it would essentially be a fan service game. Not being a fan of one of the series, my interest was pretty slim and I mainly cared for the FE aspect of this.
And now we got this. It seems to follow the Persona games more. Modern and high school setting, maybe even that anime fan service stuff. The settings and characters are unique and essentially, it seems like it has elements of FE series. It's not a crossover but a game with elements of FE, made by Atlus. And I like this much more than a crossover of two somewhat niche series.
Also, I don't really find the anime stuff that bad. Sure, the bit with the exploding clothes was kind of ridiculous but I can't see the game being full of things like that. And after watching the Persona 5 trailer, the game seems even more pleasing to me. It's really fresh for Wii U. I just only hope that this will be out by the end of 2015 in Europe...
They did... actually.
Wait... seeing a thong is over the top/obvious pandering but nekomimi cosplay is not? In what alternate reality have I slipped into.
This is so not what I was expecting...
Then again, I was expecting the game to be quietly cancelled, so... I guess this is better than nothing. I was just waiting it to be more... serious? And less Idol, I suppose. Will give it a try depending on how the final product ends up being. Not writing it off quite yet.
Then again, I was expecting the game to be quietly cancelled, so... I guess this is better than nothing. I was just waiting it to be more... serious? And less Idol, I suppose. Will give it a try depending on how the final product ends up being. Not writing it off quite yet.
Betrayed expectations. Everybody, including myself, had a mental image of something more similar to Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne. This (so far - again its becoming more clear we aren't seeing everything) looks different enough as to cause some tonal and expectations whiplash.
StarlordDial
Member
Yup agreed !
But seems you can never change someone that wants the other to be better ;_;
Enjoy people... Nintendo owners gets their own Persona now
but if one is better than the other, people who play the lesser version will be social outcasts.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Who the fuck cares?
It's the combination of everything, really. SMT also tend to be more somber experiences from the get go.
And I was being facetious with the anime label.
immortal-joe
Member
Yep, those "Am I the only one who thinks "Illusory Revelations#FE" is way better than P5?" threads will be a monthly occurrence. It is known.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Pretty much. I was watching the trailer during the directand my reaction was, woah , nintendo got a exclusive persona game? Until I saw the fire emblem bits and realised what had happened.
If anything, this is Persona X FE, not SMT.
Then we'll have two good games to play.
The Apocalypse?
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I'm willing to concede the point here, though I imagine the prevalent reaction in this thread comes from people being more familiar with Persona than the Devil Survivor series.