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Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth
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Biggest problem with understanding the lore was the massive shift in direction and the large amount of vital information to come out in the years between Halo 3 and Halo 4. ODST and Reach expanded on known eras. There was so much we DIDN'T know about to really come to light between 3 and 4. It can be a shock if you aren't prepared. Suddenly dudes appear talking about mantles and composers. Lot of proper nouns you wouldn't know about unless you were keeping up with the books/etc in the interim.
Best idea is to watch Halo:Origins on the Legends disc as a primer and then head into the Halo 4 terminals prior to starting Halo 4.
Best idea is to watch Halo:Origins on the Legends disc as a primer and then head into the Halo 4 terminals prior to starting Halo 4.
Welfare
Member
Just skip the first two towers. It's what I do.
The gondola part is better than the utterly pointless Pelican sections. What a waste of an idea. It's like a worse version of New Alexandria from Reach.
wesleyshark
Banned
While it was kinda way too empty of a flying section, heck man, it was a pelican! Still fun.
Captain Zyrain
Member
I know I'm in the super minority, but I really enjoy the Halo 4 soundtrack. Especially "To Galaxy" (Mid track.. goosebumps!), "117" (Love it, and love when it's used in the game), "Revival" (The perfect Forerunner track IMO), and my personal favorite "Arrival" (Just feels so epic to me, as if overcoming such a struggle).
Since the soundtrack to 4 was released before the game came out, I listened to it over and over trying to figure out what was going to happen.. since the titles didn't really give any hints.
I don't think it's better than 1-3, but I feel like it is successfully it's own thing.
To me the 1-3 soundtracks covered the Human/Covenant war, I used to listen to those soundtracks while I was reading the novels (Total immersion LOL). Now I put on Halo 4, not sure entirely why, but to me it clicks more with the post-Halo 3 universe.
I am really looking forward to seeing how the Halo 5 soundtrack turns out, the samples (even in bad quality) sound good. I would be remiss if I didn't say I'd enjoy a little more chanting though!
Since the soundtrack to 4 was released before the game came out, I listened to it over and over trying to figure out what was going to happen.. since the titles didn't really give any hints.
"Arrival" always felt like John-117 was fighting his way to get to/save Cortana from something, which sorta panned out correct.
I don't think it's better than 1-3, but I feel like it is successfully it's own thing.
To me the 1-3 soundtracks covered the Human/Covenant war, I used to listen to those soundtracks while I was reading the novels (Total immersion LOL). Now I put on Halo 4, not sure entirely why, but to me it clicks more with the post-Halo 3 universe.
I am really looking forward to seeing how the Halo 5 soundtrack turns out, the samples (even in bad quality) sound good. I would be remiss if I didn't say I'd enjoy a little more chanting though!
wesleyshark
Banned
The 4 OST was quite fitting to the Promethean threat and exploring new, alien places, but it was mixed so poorly in-game. There are so many times that the score suddenly starts or stops without warning, and isn't aligned with what's happening. When they mix it right... It SHINES... But sadly, it's almost 30/70 for when it's mixed right and when it's mixed obnoxiously.
Stand-alone, the OST is fantastic.
In-game, it feels madly disjointed.
wesleyshark
Banned
Close your eyes and listen to mc's live action trailer. Pretty sure we'll be getting some chanting in Halo 5.
Halo 5 - Master Chief Trailer (Halo 5 Guardians):
Captain Zyrain
Member
Yeah I can definitely see that. I think since I listened to it a bunch before playing the game I didn't notice as much. Hopefully 5 is much better in that respect, 1-3 were amazing with not just the music itself, but it's placement and use (All Hail Marty in his Ivory Tower!).
True true! I seem to remember hints of chanting in the early Halo 4 trailers.. could be mistaken, but yeah definitely seems they're working on extending the theme.
(Funny story, I clicked on that link (to see the Master Chief #HuntTheTruth trailer) and YouTube played the same trailer as an add in front of it. Thanks I guess? Haha)
Yup, this is what kills the soundtrack in-game. Hopefully they'll fix it up by 5.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Chapter 7 at Halo 4, and I'm not sure wich campaing I'm enjoying the most, if that's Halo 3 or Halo 4! Both extraordinaries campaings!
I like not to have to fight the flood though. Besides I liked them in Halo CE and Halo 3, I much prefer Elites, Brutes or Furerunners over Flood!
I like not to have to fight the flood though. Besides I liked them in Halo CE and Halo 3, I much prefer Elites, Brutes or Furerunners over Flood!
wesleyshark
Banned
Yes yes. I so greatly enjoyed Halo 4, and still do. It's not perfect, but man, dem feels.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Man... this chapter 7 is soo good!! So much action!
I think the only thing I'm not enjoying in Halo 4 is how granades were so nerfed... I rarely hit the enemy I'm targeting with a granade. By Halo 5 Beta it seems they powered them up again, what is lovely.
The Needler however is more useful then ever! It's awesome to kill elites or forerunners!
I'm still quite lost at the game lore though. I'll read the Halo Lore thread to understand what's really going on, specially in Halo 4.
MrGreencastle
Member
Kssio_Aug
Member
Thanks a lot! I will!!
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
We get it you really love H4... (which i cant understand)
And im not really sure if you are serious.
Man i really hope H5 is a big step up over H4... it needs to. But who knows... i dont have any faith anymore for this franchise. Really cant get hyped anymore for Halo stuff.
Solidsoul
Banned
Halo 4's campaign was phenomonal, definitley in general and personally even by Halo standards. It'd really be interesting to see just how much of the loud negative audience is simply referring to their hatred towards the multiplayer. The multiplayer has problems, i definitley get that. The production value, quality and story of the game were top notch.
I see no reason why Halo 4 can't stand amoung the first three, when refrencing the campaign/story. So good.
For the record, i like the multiplayer as well. It would have been super interesting to be a fly on the wall during some of the conversations that occured between Bungie and 343. I'm sure they both knew Halo 4 would receive much critiscism regardless of quality, simply based on the fact that it's a new studio handilng the franchise.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Why cant you understand?
I mean... Yeah, I get that people love to critice Halo 4, and actually I understand most of the MP complains; but what's wrong in the campaing?
I ask because I'm new to the series, played Halo for the first time ever with MCC, finished the campaing of Halo 1, 2 and 3 and am almost finishing Halo 4, and I loved them all... But I'm willing to vote for Halo 4 as the best campaing (this, or Halo 3) and the best FPS I've ever played. And I played plenty. It definitely holds the quality of the entire franchise.
So yeah, I agree with the poster above. The fact that a well known and received franchise that was being done by a well known and respected developer such as Bungie, fell in new hands (in this case 343i) probably automatically generates a considerable ammount of hate and insecurity. But honestly... By Halo 4 campaing (and I actually liked MP aswell) and Halo 5 Beta, I believe it is in good hands.
And thats coming from someone that actually asked for a refund of Halo MCC after waiting months for it to be unsuccessfuly fixed, since I was unable to access the online mode for some reason. Amazon refunded the gift card I used to buy the game, and for that reason I still have it (yeah, Amazom is amazing). But today, after they finally fixed it and I'm able to play online again and receive all achievements, I see that definitely worth its 60 dollars; cause every single campaing and MP mode has being a blast to me now thats working.
That said, my biggest concern with Halo 5 in 343 hands is if they're gonna release a solid product, or if theyre gonna mess with the release like happened to MCC. But giving the complexity behind the collection, I guess with Halo 5 things will be much more solid at release. The quality of Halo 5 itself I'm pretty secure, based on my experience with both Halo 4 and 5 Beta.
You can do that?!
And you tell me only AFTER I've run through the game on Legendary solo... twice?
Kssio_Aug
Member
Just finished Halo 4... Loved every single level of it.
At the start I was negative about the ammo stuff, but when I got the handle of it, ammo wasn't really a problem!
That end though! T-T
I'll watch now that video of the terminals and read the Halo Lore Thread. I'm in love for this serie!
My general consensus about the campaings are Halo 4 > Halo 3 > Halo CE > Halo 2. Being Halo 3 and Halo 4 almost tied, cause they were both amazing from start to end! Halo 2 had quite a weak campaing imo, besides the amazing Blur CGs; and Halo CE was golden until its last two or three levels that I found a bit frustrating.
Now I can't wait to see some Halo 5 gameplay! And also to play Halo ODST on MCC. And I expect them to announce Halo Reach aswell.
At the start I was negative about the ammo stuff, but when I got the handle of it, ammo wasn't really a problem!
That end though! T-T
I'll watch now that video of the terminals and read the Halo Lore Thread. I'm in love for this serie!
My general consensus about the campaings are Halo 4 > Halo 3 > Halo CE > Halo 2. Being Halo 3 and Halo 4 almost tied, cause they were both amazing from start to end! Halo 2 had quite a weak campaing imo, besides the amazing Blur CGs; and Halo CE was golden until its last two or three levels that I found a bit frustrating.
Now I can't wait to see some Halo 5 gameplay! And also to play Halo ODST on MCC. And I expect them to announce Halo Reach aswell.
Why is it so "hard to understand" that someone may enjoy something you don't?
NobleGundam
Banned
How will 343 handle terminals in Halo 5? I really don't see the same method linking to way point for it to work like Halo 4 required instead of being on disc. Idk if the app still exists.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I really think they originally only used Waypoint because they didn't have the disc space. They already filled up one disc completely and required separate installs for multiplayer and Spartan Ops (in the case of the latter, two installs) and 20 or so minutes of decent quality HD footage on top would have just made it worse.
That said, they'll probably keep using the Halo Channel going forward due to being able to seamlessly swap back and forth between the two, and if they can avoid the issues that plagued terminals during the first week or so after MCC's launch I'm fine with that.
Chemical Rampancy
Banned
This "but the single player was great" motion has already been completely annihilated on GAF.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=949327
Which I agree with fully
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
But I disagree with that post.
see how that works?
People need to stop trying to "prove" to people it's objectively bad. Similarly other folks should stop with the opposite.
Opinions man. Mine is that it is a fantastic game, one of my all time favorites, obviously you feel otherwise. And that's ok. Realize it, accept it, get over it.
Everyone.
Though seriously, "Ensemble wrote better characters"? WTF is that guy smoking. :3
Chemical Rampancy
Banned
It wasn't proof, it was annihilation. There hasn't been a counter post of any weight which adequately accounts for the failings of Halo 4.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
...Scatter...
Banned
At this point..
Halo 4 had a great story between Chief & Cortana. Wasn't perfect but it was good.
I think you're forgetting some basic concepts such as subjective values and opinions.
Just because nobody could be bothered to write a mini-essay on the subject doesn't mean the view isn't valid.
Its such a one sided argument its a joke post. They only point out the worst, while comparing it with the best of Halo Wars.
wesleyshark
Banned
At this point..
Halo 4 had a great story between Chief & Cortana. Wasn't perfect but it was good.
How is it any and all fair to just blatantly shoot down someone's opinion over something that's entirely subjective to their particular experience? I don't give a rip about an annihilation thread. All that matters to me is that I greatly enjoyed Halo 4 in its entirety, and still continue to hold it as the best Halo campaign. Does that make me right? No. Does that make you right? Also, no.
Just because you don't understand something or care to make moves to understand said thing, doesn't mean it's bad or that people who do understand it are bad also. If you hate it so much, why do you spend all the time and energy shooting down everyone that has something positive and meaningful to say?
What's awesome is seeing someone brand new to the Halo franchise literally live post his experiences as he plays all 4 games. What a thing! To be able to play Halo 1 through 4 without any interrupted or years waiting in between each title.
What drives some people away from the community (or any game community in general) aren't the particular qualities of each minute detail of the game. What drives people away is when they get GAFshitpost on for saying to say something positive about Halo 4 or any part of Halo that they enjoy.
C'mon man. Have a cookie. Brew some coffee. Let's be positive.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Everybody pretty much covered my points.
Chemical, it's impossible to "prove" that a piece of entertainment is objectively good or objectively bad. Stop trying, it just makes you look like a jackass.
Chemical, it's impossible to "prove" that a piece of entertainment is objectively good or objectively bad. Stop trying, it just makes you look like a jackass.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I dont disagree 100% with that poster. I agree that Commander Sarah Palmer and Del Rio were both quite uninspired characters.
However, the 3 vehicles in Halo 4 were great an the flood I actually kind liked but when they're introduced in every game from Halo 1 to 3 the campaing just becomes considerably less enjoyable. I much prefer to battle against Prometheans then the Flood. Forerunners were imo well designed, fun to battle against, and the Didact was a cool antagonist (besides a little cliche in some aspects).
Also, I don't agree that 343i took away all of these characters! They just did not reintroduced them in Halo 4... I believe some of them may do another appearance in Halo 5 or future Halo games.
In the other hand, 343i did a great job presenting more deeply the Master Chief and Cortana relationship. They nailed at that! Also I believe 343i made a bigger effort trying to represent Halo characters in game then Bungie did with Halo 1 to 3. Master Chief talks a little more (still a serious and centered character though, what was great), and both him and Cortana demonstrates that they care to each other; there's that "who's the machine" stuff and all. It wasn't a perfect story telling, but none of the Halo games were either (and no games till this date makes it perfectly). But it was great to introduce new enemies, a new saga, and also it wasn't bad at all giving the fact that the main franchise is now in different hands with naturally different visions.
Welfare
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wesleyshark
Banned
Woah this is news to me also. Dagnabbit! Time to beat that par time!
It's ok that you feel that way. I don't feel the same way, though some points were good ones.
Welfare
Member
People seem to have forgotten the terrible things Bungie did with the Halo universe back in the day. Even if you ignore the atrocity that was Reach, the poor management of Halo 3's story was awful, too.
Halo 4 had issues standing on its own feet, but unlike Halo 3 it felt like the developer actually put some thought into it, as opposed to the cliche filled, diluted and inconsistent mess that was Halo 3's story. We're lucky that the game peaked late, otherwise it would have easily been the worst entry in the franchise story wise.
I hold the opinion that with the notable exception to the fantastic world building that was Halo 2; 343i has had greater "highs" and even worse lows than Bungie. They can be brilliant in one installation, and terrible in another. The difference between Halo 4's Campaign and Spartan Ops is a good indication of that. The Forerunner trilogy vs the K5 trilogy, too (some of the best vs the worst books in the EU, except Primordium). Great, then Terrible. Ugh.
Escalation has been mostly awful so far, but Huntthetruth has drawn my interest yet again.
Anyway, I really like HTT because I have no idea what is going to happen next. I've kept up with the EU material for the last few years, so this is a relatively new feeling. Granted 99% of predictions of Halo campaign stories have been completely off the mark, but they still managed to get a few things right.
Halo 4 had issues standing on its own feet, but unlike Halo 3 it felt like the developer actually put some thought into it, as opposed to the cliche filled, diluted and inconsistent mess that was Halo 3's story. We're lucky that the game peaked late, otherwise it would have easily been the worst entry in the franchise story wise.
I hold the opinion that with the notable exception to the fantastic world building that was Halo 2; 343i has had greater "highs" and even worse lows than Bungie. They can be brilliant in one installation, and terrible in another. The difference between Halo 4's Campaign and Spartan Ops is a good indication of that. The Forerunner trilogy vs the K5 trilogy, too (some of the best vs the worst books in the EU, except Primordium). Great, then Terrible. Ugh.
Escalation has been mostly awful so far, but Huntthetruth has drawn my interest yet again.
Anyway, I really like HTT because I have no idea what is going to happen next. I've kept up with the EU material for the last few years, so this is a relatively new feeling. Granted 99% of predictions of Halo campaign stories have been completely off the mark, but they still managed to get a few things right.
I think Halo 5 is going to feature the return of the Flood; this is the deep space threat. The Flood is back to finish off what they started in the Forerunner trilogy.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It is sweet music to my ears to see people giving the incredible Halo 4 campaign the props it truly deserves. It is quite easily the most genuine fun I've had with a Halo campaign.
LordOfChaos
Member
I maintain that I adore the K5 trilogy, and no one's even forcing me to say that!
The character BB was worth it almost all on his own.
He's the only good part imo. The rest of it is coloured with uninteresting characters, questionable motives and character assassinations of existing characters, as well as the whole Halsey is evil thing.
I understand why they did it; they wanted to setup the next trilogy of games. ONI, the Storm Covenant and the Arbiter are all concepts that the trilogy had to advance in order for them to be in Halo 4/5. I just hope that Halo 5 actually offers the satisfying conclusion or partial conclusion to the Halsey plotpoint, which is what Frankie said a while back.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I don't think you can really say "they" did the Halsey thing; it fits the pattern of Karin Traviss' previous works.
This is my first post on GAF, and I'm not a native speaker so please forgive me if you don't understand what I'm saying.
I have been playing Halo for 12 years. I have every Halo games' collector's edition and Halo is easily my favorite game series.
In my opinion, Halo 4 is a great game, the atmosphere it creates is the best among all Halo games. Infinity slayer is a ridiculously stupid idea, but after few patches the multiplayer is on par with 2. The gunplay is awesome, and BTB is just impeccable in 4.
Two of my friends even think that 4 is the best Halo game. Of course you can hate the game, but you have to respect others' opinion.
I believe that Halo 5 will be even better. 343i is really talented, and they will learn from the failure of 4 and MCC this time.
If not, I won't buy it.
Chemical Rampancy
Banned
But at no point have i claimed my opinions were fact, nor that perceptions of Halo 4 were beyond subjectivity. Attempting to hide behind that idea simply comes across as lacking confidence in Halo 4 itself.
It's no coincidence that there are an abundance of substantially researched and critically intelligent posts which shred Halo 4, yet few to none which make a case for it being a quality title. This trend points towards people liking Halo 4 for reasons outside of the actual quality of the title itself, which of course is valid but it doesn't make it a good game.
The character assassinations sure; but the biggest issues with the trilogy are still the primary plot points; ONI being a dick to Jul, ONI being a dick to Halsey etc.
Those are definitely under 343i's control since they are the actual lore of the franchise. Traviss can interpret the messages however she wants, but the central jist of each book would definitely be under 343i's helm. AFAIK a writer can express themselves in anyway they want to... so long as they stick to the plot set out by the 343i writers/Halo story bible/whatever.
Traviss certainly isn't going to create new plot points and determine the fate of the Halo universe post 2552, especially when the future games depend on it!
Protip; the frequency of negative posting =/= some form of objectivity you are implying. Not only are you relying on a biased and small sample size, but you are also glossing over the fact that basically every single Halo game has been hated on release since the first one. I could literally copy paste these posts, drop in Reach, Halo 3 or Halo 2 and what you are saying would still apply, which is a ridiculous result (obviously the reasons for disliking each game would be different).
People who are upset are typically the loudest. You know, that whole quote/saying.
Halo 4 was a great campaign, not the best Halo campaign. Stating it being bad is a fact, with no room for subjectivity, simply means you don't belong on a discussion board. Period.
Chemical Rampancy
Banned
But again, I'm not claiming objectivity. I just wish those that zealously defend Halo 4 wouldn't be so dismissive of legitimate criticism especially when no substantial posts are being made to propagate why Halo 4 is apparently above receiving it.