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[LosDaddie]

He is being called out.

Do you want him in jail?

What's the end game here?

Fired from his job, at least

 

[Arjen]

Most rapists think everyone else are rapists who get away with it. Wearing this shirt as a "joke" just reinforces their idea that this is just what happens. It's a reinforcement of rape culture.

Wat.

 

[Jburton]

Fired from is job, at least

You serious?

 

[Valhelm]

On topic, though, that dude is a complete tool. I wonder about the woman he was with. Is she just an exasperated girlfriend? Or is she like Violent Acrez's wife, checking Precious Moments prices on eBay while this dude makes custom rape joke t-shirts and is just like "oh, you!"

She probably thought it was funny. There are tons of hella misogynistic women out there, and women probably enforce gender roles as much as men do.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Embarrassing defence of this in this thread to be honest. Stuff like this is dispicable and should never ever be ok. As "shock value" (bullshit) or otherwise.

 

[entremet]

Most of the posts in here so far are just dismissing it or getting upset at the Internet outrage machine.

He's an idiot for wearing the shirt. I agree.

But the OP is suggesting changing free speech laws for it? I don't agree with that.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I'm not even sure what that means. Is a statement about society? Is it a personal mantra? It's a stupid shirt but I'm not sure I can infer much else without context.

He's wearing a parody of a well-known track in exactly the same graphic style as used in the video at a music festival for shock value.

 

[spectral_method]

Stupid shirt, just a dumb kid. Nothing more to see here.

 

[RockTurtle]

how is the shirt misogynistic again?

stupid? yes.

 

[Jebusman]

Embarrassing defence of this in this thread to be honest. Stuff like this is dispicable and should never ever be ok. As "shock value" (bullshit) or otherwise.

What is the defense here? I'm not seeing it.

I'm seeing a lot of people saying the shirt is terrible, but really there is no basis in law for anything to happen to him for it. At most, a private venue could have him tossed out, and the public could shame him for what he did.

What else do you think should happen?

 

[andymcc]

He's an idiot for wearing the shirt. I agree.

But the OP is suggesting changing free speech laws for it? I don't agree with that.

i still don't know why you quoted me. i just said he should be called out and people shouldn't be as dismissive as they are.

 

[spekkeh]

Can you qualify this? It still seems to be a ridiculous problem.

Rape is not condoned, it is a very severe offense and widely seen as something terrible. Only an incredible small percentage of men are rapists and the overwhelming majority of rape happens in familial settings outside of societal influencing, they're not waiting for people to encourage them. Men are not bred to become rape predators. There are systemic problems yes, and it's a serious issue that needs tackling head on, but to me shooter games are more likely to be conducive to 'murder culture' than distasteful shirts are to 'rape culture'.

Which is to say could be in some veeeeery minor way but it's better to just shrug.

 

[entremet]

i still don't know why you quoted me. i just said he should be called out and people shouldn't be as dismissive as they are.

Because saying he's just trolling doesn't negate the idiotic and hateful shirt.

I think the shirt is awful, but I have a brain and can see he's doing it for shock value.

 

[Jburton]

how is the shirt misogynistic again?

It supports, promotes and normalises rape.

Like rape in movies or it being written about in a book.


In the rape culture (theory not fact) t-shirts with the word rape on them have this power.

To others the dude is an attention seeking fool who deserves derision at most, best ignored to be honest, attention is what he wanted.


Someone here thought he should lose his job, not sure if serious though.

 

[ChubbyHuggs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

https://rainn.org

That doesn't at all elaborate what the fuck I just read. Was there some sort of poll or study were people acknowledged they were rapist and that they just assumed everyone else was too?

 

[phaonaut]

I don't agree. The main page of their site is essentially buzzfeed with indie rock ads, weed smoking and hints of nudity. Oh wow, "We Watched the Australian Police Try to Find Owners for 1,000 Pairs of Stolen Shoes"! The title text of the site is "The Definitive Guide to Enlightening Information". There a zillion sources of news in the world, and I prefer just about anything other than to have it filtered through the lens of obnoxious (so edgy~) youth culture. Some of the Motherboard area stuff is fine, but there's still a weird sneering attitude over the whole thing that I just find gross. The good content doesn't really much make up for it for me.

On topic, though, that dude is a complete tool. I wonder about the woman he was with. Is she just an exasperated girlfriend? Or is she like Violent Acrez's wife, checking Precious Moments prices on eBay while this dude makes custom rape joke t-shirts and is just like "oh, you!"

Vice News is different from Vice.com, at least in overall seriousness of subject matter. Vice is the catch all for the music/food/news/weird stuff.

 

[spectral_method]

He's an idiot for wearing the shirt. I agree.

But the OP is suggesting changing free speech laws for it? I don't agree with that.

Because we live in a world where people can't be offended anymore, and if something offends you then it should be banned. Also people want to get rid of freedom of speech if it doesn't suit their worldview.

 

[John Rabbit]

It supports, promotes and normalises rape.

misogyny is a mistrust or hatred of women. men can also be victims of rape. at least thats what i'm hoping the poster you replied to was trying to bring up.

 

[GamerJM]

how is that even a shirt that exists

 

[Jburton]

Because we live in a world where people can't be offended anymore, and if something offends you then it should be banned. Also people want to get rid of freedom of speech if it suits their worldview.

Sounds rather right wing and fascist to be honest doesn't it.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

I'm not sure why this is a story. Person at music festival wears dumb shirt? ok

I'm sure there are million dumb things being said, displayed, and happening at music festivals like these.

Hard to capture BO and "OMG! I loooovvvveeeee you Nickleback!" on Instagram.

 

[Valhelm]

Rape is not condoned, it is a very severe offense and widely seen as something terrible. Only an incredible small percentage of men are rapists and the overwhelming majority of rape happens in familial settings outside of societal influencing, they're not waiting for people to encourage them. Men are not bred to become rape predators. There are systemic problems yes, and it's a serious issue that needs tackling head on, but to me shooter games are more likely to be conducive to 'murder culture' than distasteful shirts are to 'rape culture'.

Which is to say could be in some veeeeery minor way but it's better to just shrug.

This is pretty similar to my views on the subject. While our culture doesn't endorse rape, it certainly allows it.

 

[andymcc]

Because saying he's just trolling doesn't negate the idiotic and hateful shirt.

I think the shirt is awful, but I have a brain and can see he's doing for shock value.

while it may be just for shock value, (this is anecdotal) i've seen too much gross, rapey shit happen at live shows. i'd be highly suspect of the dude, even if it's just an awful shirt.

 

[Platy]

Utter nonsense is what you just read.

You are thinking of long coat in a dark alley.

He is talking about the real world
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html

 

[Jburton]

This is pretty similar to my views on the subject. While our culture doesn't endorse rape, it certainly allows it.

It allows it?

How? Like it allows murder?

Do we live in a murder culture?

How about a robbing pensioners culture?

 

[Phat Michael]

They really need to stop changing the title of Edge of Tomorrow.

That is FANTASTIC

 

[RockTurtle]

It supports, promotes and normalises rape.

Like rape in movies or it being written about in a book.


In the rape culture (theory not fact) t-shirts with the word rape on them have this power.

To others the dude is an attention seeking fool who deserves derision at most, best ignored to be honest, attention is what he wanted.


Someone here thought he should lose his job, not sure if serious though.

misogyny is a mistrust or hatred of women. men can also be victims of rape. at least thats what i'm hoping the poster you replied to was trying to bring up.

minimizing impact of rape? sure. i can see how.

implying it promotes mistrust and hatred of women specifically? eeehhhhh.....

 

[Crash Station]

ayy

The Vice article actually mentions that he was with his girlfriend, who was surprised that the reported didn't find his shirt hilarious.

So just a couple with a dumb sense of humor or expect everyone to know their "hilarious" references.

Honestly doesn't sound too bad to me, just stupid.

This is a guy I wouldn't feel bad about punching unprovoked.

What he's doing isn't illegal, but that absolutely would be.

 

[entremet]

while it may be just for shock value, (this is anecdotal) i've seen too much gross, rapey shit happen at live shows. i'd be highly suspect of the dude, even if it's just an awful shirt.

Sure.

I think the dude is asshole and shirt is disgusting, but the fact that he's posing on Instagram and even created the shirt shows he was going for something.

And yes concerts and festivals are rife with crap like groping and sexual assault. Sad stuff.

 

[Deified Data]

 

[Jburton]

You are thinking of long coat in a dark alley.

He is talking about the real world
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html

One study equals the world.

What a joke.

Also a third of all men don't rape, no matter what the "study" claims.

 

[bishopcruz]

This is pretty similar to my views on the subject. While our culture doesn't endorse rape, it certainly allows it.

Outside of making it illegal, which it is, or socially unacceptable, which it also is, how would a society go about disallowing rape? Is murder allowed?

 

[EdibleKnife]

Just to be clear, I don't think any body is saying this shirt is gonna hypnotize a random person into become a rapist. Rather, trivializing it may lead to less empathy about sexual assault. We've already had studies where men and women aren't actually clear on what qualifies as rape/sexual assault, believing like most do that rape only happens in a dimly lit back alley. I don't want to have this guy burned at the stake but the minimization of rape through jokes and the like make it more difficult for people who commit or are victims of sexual assault to lend weight to it.

 

[J10]

What he's doing isn't illegal, but that absolutely would be.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I DIDNT KNOW THAT THANK YOU

 

[see5harp]

I don't agree. The main page of their site is essentially buzzfeed with indie rock ads, weed smoking and hints of nudity. Oh wow, "We Watched the Australian Police Try to Find Owners for 1,000 Pairs of Stolen Shoes"! The title text of the site is "The Definitive Guide to Enlightening Information". There a zillion sources of news in the world, and I prefer just about anything other than to have it filtered through the lens of obnoxious (so edgy~) youth culture. Some of the Motherboard area stuff is fine, but there's still a weird sneering attitude over the whole thing that I just find gross. The good content doesn't really much make up for it for me.

On topic, though, that dude is a complete tool. I wonder about the woman he was with. Is she just an exasperated girlfriend? Or is she like Violent Acrez's wife, checking Precious Moments prices on eBay while this dude makes custom rape joke t-shirts and is just like "oh, you!"

It is filtered through youth culture because that is the audience that shops at the places that used to have the magazine.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Also a third of all men don't rape, no matter what the "study" claims.

Maybe read the article? That's not what the study claims, dude.

 

[Jebusman]

This is pretty similar to my views on the subject. While our culture doesn't endorse rape, it certainly allows it.

But is advocating the idea of restricting speech that you feel is part of the "allowing" side of the equation really the best solution? Or is it an overcorrection trying to solve the problem without concern for collateral damage?

I understand the sincerity and intent behind such a view, but I personally don't think the end justifies the means.

Education for youth is the answer to this (along with many other things wrong in the world), but it's not something that is going to give instant results. It might take years, even generations, before the benefits are truly seen.

While restrictions of speech would provide a more immediate result, at the same time it's not really teaching people, it's telling them. And for a lot of people, "telling" them to do something is never going to get through. You need to educate them. You need to provide them with the answer, but let them discover it for themselves. If the belief that "rape is bad" comes from their own personal moral code, that they themselves believed they found, I'd wager it's more likely to stick than one being pushed upon them, even if you're doing it for the right reasons.

With this guy as an example, enacting laws to penalize him for wearing such a shirt does nothing but make him mad for being unable to wear the shirt. I don't think it really serves as a deterrent, nor as a means of teaching.

 

[Valhelm]

It allows it?

How? Like it allows murder?

Do we live in a murder culture?

How about a robbing pensioners culture?

We absolutely live in a murder culture. Have you seen American gun crime stats?

 

[Karkador]

Only a theory, not fact.

Let's not push it as such.

 

[DarkKyo]

I wonder what his mother would think of that picture.

Then again given the fact that he's wearing it she probably doesn't give a shit.

 

[Kinyou]

Fired from his job, at least

More blood for the blood god, huh?

 

[Clinton514]

A bummer that it's even a question at this point. Of course.

lol sorry. It's GAF. I was making sure.

 

[studyguy]

Shirt pretty gross, but also unsure as to what the endgame will be here for people online. I'd imagine he wants the attention so I'd rather not give it to him.

 

[PhineBuyM3]

Yesterday at Coachella, a grinning young dude was photographed wearing this lovely shirt:

Yeah.

I tend to be skeptical of people who think a shirt can be an attack on women, but this is pretty fucking blatant. While I hope that this guy is just an edgy fuck, and probably not an actual serial rapist, clothing like this sends an explicit message that it's okay to rape people. This started a conversation about sexism at music festivals, with groups like Vice citing startling statistics about harassment at EDM events. His shirt isn't funny and it isn't subversive. It's apparently a reference to a Fatboy Slim song, but that doesn't make it any less awful.

This little fiasco me think of that license plate threat last night, and about public displays of hate in general. Do you think people should be allowed to publicly wear or display messages that are deliberately offensive? Do you think it's worse if the message is aimed at a less powerful group, like women or black people?

Should hate speech restrictions extend to clothing? Why or why not?

Does the shit eating grin on his face not tell you the outrage that will ensue in this thread is the type of reactions he wants?

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

I dunno, that shirt just screams "general public" to me, like something I'd expect to see at a fair or in Las Vegas or something. Not on the whole dissimilar to someone wearing a "I love huge cock" t-shirt or a t-shirt with ".. and fuck you" on the back or whatever. In other words, whatever.

 

[DrGonzo615]

Embarrassing defence of this in this thread to be honest. Stuff like this is dispicable and should never ever be ok. As "shock value" (bullshit) or otherwise.

Where is the defense of this shirt? Most people seem to agree that its in bad taste.

The only arguments I see is the debate over how much real damage a shirt like this would cause.

Some people are seeing it as indicative of "rape culture" and promotes rape normalcy. Others see it as a dumb kid wearing a stupid shirt.

 

[J'aime Fils-Aime]

Shirt pretty gross, but also unsure as to what the endgame will be here for people online. I'd imagine he wants the attention so I'd rather not give it to him.

Perhaps, but I don't think ignoring this behavior is the right option either.

Personally, I think the best way to respond to such behavior is to discuss it intelligently. Sure, he's an asshole who may or may not have a change of heart later, but I'm sure there are others who aren't assholes but could learn how to be better people from his behavior: For example, don't make light of "rape," whether in stupid jokes that aren't even clever or using it in gaming lingo.

 

[DrGonzo615]

I dunno, that shirt just screams "general public" to me, like something I'd expect to see at a fair or in Las Vegas or something. Not on the whole dissimilar to someone wearing a "I love huge cock" t-shirt or a t-shirt with ".. and fuck you" on the back or whatever. In other words, whatever.

Yep, basically a shirt designed to get a rise out of people. In that sense, its hard to argue that this shirt isnt a complete success.

 

[kiunchbb]

There are nothing wrong with criticizing that moron or pushing the anti-rape movement. But this just looks like people picking on a easy scapegoat for their agenda.

Instead of criticizing the person directly, they choose to use the power of internet mobs for harassment and death threats. Internet rage is too cruel, no one deserve that for a correctable mistake.

 

[Perspicacity]

Only a theory, not fact.

Let's not push it as such.

no offense but you sound like a fuckin idiot