Batman v Superman [Official Trailer Release]

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Sojgat said:
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Enjoy.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=659065
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Heh this guy had the right idea.

Loofy said:
I think this will be great. Yeah he kind of has a big chubby face but thats fine if theyre sticking with the old grizzled batman idea. With the short horns too.
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Can someone tell me why Batman vs Superman is even a thing? Like why are they fighting? Even the explanation in the comics would be good

I read that Batman in this film is older and when Superman shows up out of nowhere and starts being treated as a God, Batman grows wary and starts to distrust Superman? Is that it?
 
randomrosso said:
Can someone tell me why Batman vs Superman is even a thing? Like why are they fighting? Even the explanation in the comics would be good

I read that Batman in this film is older and when Superman shows up out of nowhere and starts being treated as a God, Batman grows wary and starts to distrust Superman? Is that it?
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Pretty much, plus maybe Lex or others will make Superman look worse than he is and frame him for things he didn't do.
 
Sojgat said:
Enjoy.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=659065
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Honestly, I don't think this is the epic crow people want it to be. The opinions on Afleck turned around as soon as we saw his suit. I don't know that Afleck has won people over as much as the look of Batman in this movie has won people over. So far, we've seen none of his performance, but Batman seems amazing in this movie because the suit is phenomenal and the voice mod is dope. The aesthetics of the film are doing all the work. Right now, Affleck's just a jawline in a great costume.

That's not to say that Afleck won't be good. But this is not (yet) a Ledger situation where the actor's performance is just extraordinary.
 
Kenzodielocke said:
Is there a thread about Heath Ledger being announced to play the joker ? Really want to read that.
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So many people have done a 180 on Affleck after seeing the teaser. Shows how superficial much of the criticism was considering all that it took was a great batsuit to convert them.

There was some legitimate concerns with Goyer writing the script and Snyder/Goyer not getting the best out of Affleck. Terrio coming on board has squashed some of that concern. Affleck seems to have some input over the project.

I find it weird that people were concerned about the way he would look. The guy looks like Bruce Wayne.
 
randomrosso said:
Can someone tell me why Batman vs Superman is even a thing? Like why are they fighting? Even the explanation in the comics would be good

I read that Batman in this film is older and when Superman shows up out of nowhere and starts being treated as a God, Batman grows wary and starts to distrust Superman? Is that it?
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Apparently
Lex convinces Superman that Batman is a nutcase (I don't know if Lex actually frames Batman with stuff) and Superman so eager to please so he can get acceptance goes after Batman thinking he is paranoid murderous crazy man.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Except for the part where I just pointed out his limitation as an actor.
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You didn't though. Simply stating "he still sounds like he did 20 years ago" isn't a criticism. Besides which, it's just weird. Like - should his voice have changed drastically?

This is only a problem if you, the viewer, can't get over the fact you watched him in Mallrats once (or 40 times)
 
Loxley said:
I swear some nerds have severe Alzheimers disease and forget that Batman's parents were murdered in front of him as a child, his second sidekick was beaten to death with a crowbar and then blown up, and Batgirl was shot in the spine and permanently paralyzed. The guy doesn't live in a happy, fun, quippy world filled with sunshine and high-fives.

Unless of course your only exposure to the character has been Batman '66 or Brave and the Bold.
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-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

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Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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To be honest, Matt Murdock acting like he does after all of that you listed seems more flimsy than Bruce behavior.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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Sense you make none of.

Seriously, flimsy? Like the guy above me says, Murdock acting like that makes no sense whatsoever after everything that has happened. Bruce's behavior is totally normal considering what is happened to him.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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Man, some comics must have really shitty writing. Go through all that, yet you remain somewhat normal. How does someone get driven insane on more than one occasion? He just recovers, and then goes for another round another time? This must be lots of different stories, right? This can't be one big story where they've taken this character through the grinder like this? Because if it is, just wow at this crap.
 
LegendofDragoonLives said:
Sense you make none of.

Seriously, flimsy? Like the guy above me says, Murdock acting like that makes no sense whatsoever after everything that has happened. Bruce's behavior is totally normal considering what is happened to him.
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Actually Matt is him mostly putting on an act/overcompensating due to being in a constant moping depression since like...the 80s

And I don't expect it to last once waid leaves.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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So because Daredevil is portrayed that way Batman should be too? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Characters are written to deal with tragedy and struggle in different ways.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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Its almost as if people deal with grieve and tragedy in different ways.. crazy right
 
kame-sennin said:
Honestly, I don't think this is the epic crow people want it to be. The opinions on Afleck turned around as soon as we saw his suit. I don't know that Afleck has won people over as much as the look of Batman in this movie has won people over. So far, we've seen none of his performance, but Batman seems amazing in this movie because the suit is phenomenal and the voice mod is dope. The aesthetics of the film are doing all the work. Right now, Affleck's just a jawline in a great costume.

That's not to say that Afleck won't be good. But this is not (yet) a Ledger situation where the actor's performance is just extraordinary.
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Honestly, Ben Affleck won me over when it was revealed that he caused David Goyer to be fired into the ether. The rest is gravy.
 
Get out of here with the Batman should be Daredevil talk. Batman is the coolest character in all of comics. Let's keep it that way.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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Some would argue it's just consistent writing on Batman's part. He's meant to be the human anchor in a world full of absurdities. When everyone else is distracted or joking around, he's the one who's always focused on the job at hand - and that's part of what has made him such an endearing character over the last 75 years. Heck DC have been able to mine a lot of comedy out of Batman playing the straight guy against the likes of The Flash or Green Lantern. The fact that he does take things so seriously all the time and doesn't have much of a sense of humor has been poked fun at a lot throughout the various incarnations of the Justice League.

DC are more than capable of having fun with their characters in a semi-serious setting. The JLU cartoon alone is plenty evidence of that. The episode Kid Stuff (among others) are more comedy than serious action. It's all about context though. There's an episode where Batman sings "Am I Blue?" to help save Wonder Woman (who has been turned into a pig).
 
Verendus said:
Man, some comics must have really shitty writing. Go through all that, yet you remain somewhat normal. How does someone get driven insane on more than one occasion? He just recovers, and then goes for another round another time? This must be lots of different stories, right? This can't be one big story where they've taken this character through the grinder like this? Because if it is, just wow at this crap.
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What about you actually read the comic before disregarding that it's crap. It's actually a pretty great series. He did not just simply recovered after all that miserable bullshit, It's practically a coping/defense mechanism.

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jett said:
Honestly, Ben Affleck won me over when it was revealed that he caused David Goyer to be fired into the ether. The rest is gravy.
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Pretty much. Once he got Terrio in and booted Goyer in showed he had an input in this film.

Much of my criticism had to do with Snyder/Goyer not Affleck.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
-Mother abandoned him and his father when he was a toddler.
-Blinded as a boy, struggles to cope with the heightening of his remaining senses.
-Father beaten to death following the biggest night of his career.
-Girlfriend murdered by one of his arch-enemies.
-Another girlfriend hung herself.
-Another girlfriend murdered by the same arch-enemy.
-But not before she got addicted to drugs, started doing porn, and sold his secret identity to another arch-enemy, who used the information to ruin his life.
-Wife driven insane by another arch-enemy.
-Has been driven insane himself on more than one occasion.
-Secret identity exposed to the public on more than one occasion.
-No longer has a secret identity, because he's given up on the pretense.
-Actually killed one of his arch-enemies in a fit of rage.
-Tried to kill a baby because "the devil made him do it."
-Law practice is constantly on the verge of going under.
-Closest friend in the world and law partner gets diagnosed with cancer.
-Struggles every day with real depression.

STILL manages to smile, be quippy and crack jokes.

Batman's personal tragedies are a flimsy crutch for explaining why the character can't be depicted as anything other than dark, morose and brooding.
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I love the Said/Sammee run, but let's not even try to pretend that's how he's been written for the vast majority of his run.
 
strafer said:
The story is still Goyer so
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The Alfred speech is not Goyer at all though, he would've never come up with something like that he would've been way less subtle because his writing style is to be about as subtle as a mountain of bricks falling over you. His original script ideas might still show up in the film, but I'm pretty much of his dialogue was phased out.
 
3N16MA said:
So because Daredevil is portrayed that way Batman should be too? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Characters are written to deal with tragedy and struggle in different ways.
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Unless that character is Batman, in which case they can only deal with personal tragedy by being a constantly brooding, moody sh*t steeped in darkness. Batman should only be written one way, according to some, is what I'm getting at.

Keep on dancing to the same beat they've been playing for going on 30 years. I'll even queue it up for you.

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Future Foundation said:
I love the Said/Sammee run, but let's not even try to pretend that's how he's been written for the vast majority of his run.
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Which, along with excellent writing and incredible artwork, has been one of the main reasons this run has stood out. Waid changed the beat.
 
Verendus said:
Man, some comics must have really shitty writing. Go through all that, yet you remain somewhat normal. How does someone get driven insane on more than one occasion? He just recovers, and then goes for another round another time? This must be lots of different stories, right? This can't be one big story where they've taken this character through the grinder like this? Because if it is, just wow at this crap.
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Yeah, that was some terrible, terrible writing. Until I read the comment below stating that it's his coping mechanism. What I'm wondering is how the fuck someone whose a fan of Cowboy Bebop thinks that makes sense over Bruce's personality?

Mind-boggling.
 
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