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Violent standoff between Cops and Protesters in Baltimore

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Damn it looks really bad. People are very angry and rightfully so but this is not the way to do it. Hopefully everyone stays safe out there.
 
People are crazy. I'm not fucking with a situation like that. I'm not going to throw stuff at the police and antagonize them. It's fucking stupid.
 
Damn, tensions really boiling over. with all the failed peaceful measures in the past it's easy to sympathize with those who feel this kind of violent resistance is the only option.
 
Police captain on CNN just said there were at least 7 police officers injured, some with broken bones and one who is unresponsive (not sure if that means unconscious, or what exactly). Jeez.
 
riots do bring change. but no way to tell what kind of change.

but historically speaking, when you see rioting, it means shit has gotten real, and marks are going to be made in the history book one way or another.
 
The police went after High School kids. Those bricks and stuff? Coming from high school kids.

Remember that before you start the "message" shit.
 
The Llama said:
Police captain on CNN just said there were at least 7 police officers injured, some with broken bones and one who is unresponsive (not sure if that means unconscious, or what exactly). Jeez.
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He was also saying expect tear gas and other projectiles. At least the turn out from the looks of it isn't the size of Ferguson yet but if it gets that big this could turn out really bad.
 
The Llama said:
Police captain on CNN just said there were at least 7 police officers injured, some with broken bones and one who is unresponsive (not sure if that means unconscious, or what exactly). Jeez.
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I'm surprised if no one died or got seriously injured on either side. I was watching the live feed and when I say they were throwing rocks, they were not pebbles. Big ones that would kill you if it hit you in the head and there were lots of them, apparently from all looted from a local construction site.
 
Cmagus said:
He was also saying expect tear gas and other projectiles. At least the turn out from the looks of it isn't the size of Ferguson yet but if it gets that big this could turn out really bad.
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tear gas in an american city seems like one of those things that disperses a crowd but rallys people who arent there yet.

a lot of this is gonna turn bystanders into protestors.
 
Whether it is the "right" way to handle this is besides the point, because this way is precisely the natural evolution of what has been occurring. It will always be the end result if injustices are allowed to continue long enough. And indeed, this sort of violence has resulted in meaningful changes to laws in the past. If police want to avoid this stuff, they need to functionally change their institutions - including the inherent racism hard coded into it - and begin to treat those they serve with respect and EQUALLY. But they don't. And this anger and violence will always be the natural result when those in power ignore your pleas for help against horrific injustices.

This being a sad result and not what anyone wants is besides the point, because a people will only suffer for so long before turning to violence. It's a story as old as time.
 
akira28 said:
riots do bring change. but no way to tell what kind of change.

but historically speaking, when you see rioting, it means shit has gotten real, and marks are going to be made in the history book one way or another.
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An even more militarized police force as a result is my fear.
 
This is what happens when you keep persecuting people. The 60's were chock full of race riots, and just like the 60's, the only way this is going to get better instead of worse is if we legislate some real changes to our racist system. Not just lip service.
 
Sea Manky said:
This is what happens when you keep persecuting people. The 60's were chock full of race riots, and just like the 60's, the only way this is going to get better instead of worse is if we legislate some real changes to our racist system. Not just lip service.
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One and done.
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
What "message" shit?
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Cmagus said:
People are very angry and rightfully so but this is not the way to do it.
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That's what I mean. The "message is lost" shit.

The police went after high school kids. I'm not surprised they're losing their shit. Hell, I'd say they are braver than a lot of us, even if it's not being utilized the most effective way. They clearly want shit to change.

I wish NYC got this angry when Garner died. We wouldn't be stuck in "business as usual" mode like we are now.
 
Amir0x said:
Whether it is the "right" way to handle this is besides the point, because this way is precisely the natural evolution of what has been occurring. It will always be the end result if injustices are allowed to continue long enough. And indeed, this sort of violence has resulted in meaningful changes to laws in the past. If police want to avoid this stuff, they need to functionally change their institutions - including the inherent racism hard coded into it - and begin to treat those they serve with respect and EQUALLY. But they don't. And this anger and violence will always be the natural result when those in power ignore your pleas for help against horrific injustices.

This being a sad result and not what anyone wants is besides the point, because a people will only suffer for so long before turning to violence. It's a story as old as time.
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Completely on point.

Unfortunately nothing will change. The problem is that peaceful protests in a couple of locations after each issue doesn't accomplish anything.
 
Amir0x said:
Whether it is the "right" way to handle this is besides the point, because this way is precisely the natural evolution of what has been occurring. It will always be the end result if injustices are allowed to continue long enough. And indeed, this sort of violence has resulted in meaningful changes to laws in the past. If police want to avoid this stuff, they need to functionally change their institutions - including the inherent racism hard coded into it - and begin to treat those they serve with respect and EQUALLY. But they don't. And this anger and violence will always be the natural result when those in power ignore your pleas for help against horrific injustices.
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The time that it's taken for the police to get their story straight has exacerbated the entire situation. The police chief has been very open with what they've collected from their investigation, but it's just not enough and is taking far too long.
 
Amir0x said:
Whether it is the "right" way to handle this is besides the point, because this way is precisely the natural evolution of what has been occurring. It will always be the end result if injustices are allowed to continue long enough. And indeed, this sort of violence has resulted in meaningful changes to laws in the past. If police want to avoid this stuff, they need to functionally change their institutions - including the inherent racism hard coded into it - and begin to treat those they serve with respect and EQUALLY. But they don't. And this anger and violence will always be the natural result when those in power ignore your pleas for help against horrific injustices.
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I don't like attributing some high minded social values onto a mob of mostly young idiotic opportunists who just want to hurt people and break stuff.
 
shadyspace said:
In what scenario does this not just make things worse? Make the police more violent and militarized?
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That's likely the first reaction to any scenario where violence increases. Then the movement will be either violently put down or the resistance will escalate in return to a point where those in power will see making sweeping changes a better option than continuing the violent oppression.
 
Kid Kamikaze10 said:
That's what I mean. The "message is lost" shit.

The police went after high school kids. I'm not surprised they're losing their shit. Hell, I'd say they are braver than a lot of us, even if it's not being utilized the most effective way. They clearly want shit to change.

I wish NYC got this angry when Garner died. We wouldn't be stuck in "business as usual" mode like we are now.
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Got it. I thought that's what you meant but needed clarification. Thank you.
 
Change isn't coming.

Most people think the cops are doing a good job, most people think the justice systems works. As long as that is the case, riots just reinforce the narrative that the cities aren't safe.

The only way to change things is to convince a larger number of people that the system is unjust.
 
dave is ok said:
I don't like attributing some high minded social values onto a mob of mostly young idiotic opportunists who just want to hurt people and break stuff.
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It's not, but in some ways they are the ones foolish enough to act because they have the least to lose (and potentially the most to gain). Everyone else needs the status quo so they won't do anything.
 
dave is ok said:
I don't like attributing some high minded social values onto a mob of mostly young idiotic opportunists who just want to hurt people and break stuff.
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Maybe if you don't know anything about history, but college students and youth groups were hugely instrumental during the civil rights movement. In fact, they were at the helm of some of the biggest riots both peaceful and otherwise, and directly led to laws being changed. How are you gauging whether they're opportunists or not? What is your metric? That they turned to violence? Sorry, happens all the time in history, and is often led by young folk. Not a standard for defining opportunism.

The fact that these people are young have nothing to do with the justice of their cause, which is absolute and undeniable. These people are furious. They have every right to be. And now they're turning to violence, because nothing has been done to fix the injutices hardcoded into institutions of power in this country. If you want it to end, those systems need to be fixed.
 
Sea Manky said:
This is what happens when you keep persecuting people. The 60's were chock full of race riots, and just like the 60's, the only way this is going to get better instead of worse is if we legislate some real changes to our racist system. Not just lip service.
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It's 2015. Newark and Camden still haven't recovered from the rioting between 1968-1971, and that's just two modestly sized cities in one state. But the Civil Rights Acts were worth it.

If rioting were to continue and reach a dangerous scale, I hope beyond hope that whatever remedies come about are worth the cost. A real cost in human lives, not simply an injury or death toll at the time of a riot, but the lingering, pervasive, deleterious effects of entire cities crumbling on generations of poor predominantly minority populations.

Kid Kamikaze10 said:
The police went after High School kids. Those bricks and stuff? Coming from high school kids.

Remember that before you start the "message" shit.
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The police went after people throwing bricks and stuff. Those people were high school kids.

Funny how your post takes on an entirely different tone when you swap the emphasis on who the police went after. But you know that.
 
On a local Maryland TV station they said there was a flyer going around telling where to meet and talking about a 'purge' like from the movie. So dumb.
 
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