Lol. There's about as much chance of her voting non Conservative as there is a pig flying over my head right now. It was tactical, and she knows it.
May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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Lol. There's about as much chance of her voting non Conservative as there is a pig flying over my head right now. It was tactical, and she knows it.
I voted labour last time, doesn't stop me being pissed off with them and still undecided.
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Sometimes I think your account is just a genius act of satire. There are some real gems out there.
Yes mate.
Immigration is causing absolutely no problems.
Anyone who isn't a socialist is stupid.
Yadda Yadda.
Presumably you didn't set up a business with a labour MP, aren't part of the Labour party, didn't sign Labour party initiated letters, aren't still enamoured by Labour, and don't have Labour advertised in your Twitter Bio.
Very many reasons. The financial crash is not the reason I don't trust Labour with the economy - more about how they think it needs to be resolved; some of it just seems downright bonkers from my perspective.
Let's choose a topic that hits many gaffers are probably close in their hearts to because of their current age and upbringing - tuition fees. Great idea on the face of it, reducing the cost to £6000 (was brought up on this very page). It's a headliner.
But that's all it is. The only people who would gain from it are those who would clear their entire loan for tuition fees within the 30 years. To do this you’d need to be a high earner - quite the opposite for the Labour demographic.
So what about those who earn less money, or are struggling to enter further education because of the high costs? Does fuck all for them. Only works for those who manage to secure a sound job post-education; the higher paid, more privileged members of society. It benefits people with more money, not those with less.
The way to do it that impacts Labour's target audience of the 'working' person is to increase the threshold the loan needs to be repaid at.
It shows a basic misunderstanding of how the student finance system works. And if the shadow chancellor can't spend 5 mins Googling how best to help out those who find further education too expensive, then what hope does he have running the country?
It's these decisions that make me go 'what'? At least with the Tories I know what we've had in this term of government. And you know what? It could be a heck of a lot worse - wages are going up now (mine has more than doubled since 2010), there are more jobs out there, people are buying more brand new cars then ever before...something is being done right, surely?
FYI, I voted Lib Dem last election.
Why would I do that if I was pissed off with Labour?
But how would voting Tory, the one's who actually exorbitantly raised the tuition fee's in the first place, provide a better alternative?
I disagree with you about the tuition fee's mind. Firstly, I don't think £21,000 a year is a lot tbh, and that's the amount you start paying your student fee's from. So I certainly would not agree that this move only benefits the wealthy. Secondly, imo it helps the less well off because of lessening the risks and debt associated. Many youngsters now are basically putting off Uni because of the fear of the insane amount of debt they will inevitably rack up. That is a massive problem. It creates an elitist educational environment that favours those who come from less impoverished backgrounds, who already have additional confidence that they will be able to pay these vast debts off. Add to that, that extra £3k saving per year, is a £9k+ saving in debt over the entire course of the degree, that's a huge weight off the the shoulders of our youth, who want to take a stab at further education, but do not want to be lumbered in to such debt so early on.
Lowering tuition fee's may not be an ultimate solution, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
... Exactly?
She shouldn't have put undecided but it's not like one person will change the entire makeup of the audience to significantly disadvantage labour, she could have just as easily put down Conservatives and still ended up on the audience. Also don't get the point about the other young conservative supporter, surely that was the whole point of the 25% breakdown.
I think the way Question Time likely allotted the questions is to offer a mix of them from the undecideds, as well as from those aligned to the different parties, in order to keep things fair and less partial. Conservatives putting themselves down as undecided basically skews and undermines that.
Whilst that particular case was extreme it appears most undecided by now will be leaning one way or another.
This is the first election I can vote in. I'll probably vote Labour, because I don't want Tories in power. I would have actually liked a Labour+SNP coalition, but that's not happening. I'm still expecting a labour minority with the support of SNP, though. My constituency will probably go to Labour but it's pretty close between them and Conservatives.
Or I might just draw a massive throbbing cock on the ballot.
Or I might just draw a massive throbbing cock on the ballot.
Where are UKIP being elected and where they are most popular?
Let's see...(I know it's the telegraph, but it's a quick and dirty search, I'm sure there are better sources out there)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-strongest-Where-there-are-no-immigrants.html
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/telegr...ow-much-immigration-is-there-in-ukip-targets/
You're right that communities are struggling, but that's not due to immigration, that's due to a lack of investment and a continued squeeze on what resources are available.
I am not surprised at that, I live in Norfolk, and Ukip is popular here, so much so that all of out local tory council converted to Ukip in a effort to get re-elected this may
no joke!
it is bad here, my wife teaches and the number of EAL (English as a additional language) is increasing year on year, yet we have had no new school places in 8 years, the system is at breaking point, and can not cope with anymore immigrants...
our local A+E made the national headlines a while back by declaring a black out, which effectively means it was so inundated it shut!
we have a big problem with people buying houses and converting them into HMO to house a load more than they should, 6 houses on my street that sold recently ave had this treatment, 1 got a family move in
I appreciate if you are a leftie you feel they can come, but something has to be done, the whole system in my town are all essentially crippled...
my Wifes mum who is heavily disabled has a special number to phone when she needs a ambulance as she is classed as VIP for treatment, or something like that, when they last phoned to take her into hospital she got a call back to say I am sorry we simply can not take you(and she is a priority)
it is bad around here
I think that's classed as a vote for Boris.
I'm really sorry Taken, but again you are posting factually incorrect anecdotal information.
Norfolk has roughly a 5% immigrant population currently, according to census data and your own local authority. That's below the UK average levels. The population in Norfolk increased by roughly 6% over the last decade - which is inline with the predictions for the area. As an example year, in 2013 Norfolk had a net migration increase of 5800 people - which is a 0.6% increase in population for the county. Again, that's demonstrably not enough to cause what you are describing.
Your services might be suffering, but it isn't because of immigrants. It's because of underinvestment in services, and poor financial planning for the future by your local conservative council. You can blame foreigners all you want but there simply aren't enoigh of them to actually have the impact you describe.
Edit: Norfolk council were one of the largest investors in the Iceland banks fiasco, with over £32million invested. You should be critiscing your council for their abject failure at financial management and planning rather than the Immigrant family next door. They make for an easy scapegoat but there's clearly bigger issues with your area than them.
Norfolk has roughly a 5% immigrant population currently, according to census data and your own local authority. That's below the UK average levels. The population in Norfolk increased by roughly 6% over the last decade - which is inline with the predictions for the area. As an example year, in 2013 Norfolk had a net migration increase of 5800 people - which is a 0.6% increase in population for the county. Again, that's demonstrably not enough to cause what you are describing.
Your services might be suffering, but it isn't because of immigrants. It's because of underinvestment in services, and poor financial planning for the future by your local conservative council. You can blame foreigners all you want but there simply aren't enoigh of them to actually have the impact you describe.
Edit: Norfolk council were one of the largest investors in the Iceland banks fiasco, with over £32million invested. You should be critiscing your council for their abject failure at financial management and planning rather than the Immigrant family next door. They make for an easy scapegoat but there's clearly bigger issues with your area than them.
You should see the area of our town where a 1000 Eastern Europe Roma have been placed who have now decided that they want the entire area to themselves....
Fun.
Shit smeared on door handles.
Shitting in drains.
Gangs following women with babies down the street.
Attempted baby snatching. Numerous cases.
Pets getting stolen constantly.
Smashed windows.
Tit for tat retaliation.
Numerous Britain First marches followed by retaliation.
Police curfews.
Disproportionate amount of police in area 24 hours a day.
Shit smeared on children's playground.
Ed Milibands constituency.
And what area might this be? I must say, I'm pretty cautious of your commentary. Because Eastern Europeans are just such a horrible, dirty and disgusting bunch….smh. Listen mate, go to public toilets, venues etc after a weekend of clubers and lager louts in any city, and you see some pretty disgusting things. Shit stained walls, vomit on side streets and all sorts. It's what the council is there to clean up. Your associating that kind of thing with Eastern Europeans is disturbing.
not disagreeing with you, but Norfolk is full of villages, which (going by the one my parents live in) does not get any or very few immigrants, from my experience they tend to move into towns like the one I live in, well that is how it feels...
I agree with you again on under investment, people from the EU are legally allowed to come here, and out councils have not improved the infrastructure one bit...
no new schools et al, but I don't know how accurate those figures are, all I can do is say what I see and here in flat leafy Norfolk it has changed a lot
Doncaster.
Feel free to Google Barnsley, Sheffield, Leeds, Rotherham, Bradford, or any other town up north though.
A lot of these cities have actually had a lot of infrastructure spending and are still struggling.
Doncaster has had numerous new schools and health centres built over the last decade.
Sheffield and Leeds are different cities to what they were too.
You should see everythings that's happened around here, it's insane.
On my lunch a few days ago there was a woman both shitting and vomitting in the street while her friend shouted at anyone who looked saying "SHE'S JUST BEING SICK ALREET"
A man threatened to punch a pregnant woman right in the stomach
Shouting matches most nights just down the street,usuually "THEY'RE MY KIDS TOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. I'LL PUNCH YOU BITCH" followed by a lot of police coming down since they moved in.
Casually saw a blowjob in the park. I mean, there was a ring of bushes, at least use them.
The worst thing about all these examples that really gets on my tits is how they've managed to emulate our accent perfectly. I mean, you'd think they were actually English since they sound like they've lived here all their life. Kick em out!
On my lunch a few days ago there was a woman both shitting and vomitting in the street while her friend shouted at anyone who looked saying "SHE'S JUST BEING SICK ALREET"
A man threatened to punch a pregnant woman right in the stomach
Shouting matches most nights just down the street,usuually "THEY'RE MY KIDS TOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. I'LL PUNCH YOU BITCH" followed by a lot of police coming down since they moved in.
Casually saw a blowjob in the park. I mean, there was a ring of bushes, at least use them.
The worst thing about all these examples that really gets on my tits is how they've managed to emulate our accent perfectly. I mean, you'd think they were actually English since they sound like they've lived here all their life. Kick em out!
Exactly, we have enough of our own problems without importing more.
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Having lived in Leeds for 10 years, I'm going to skip the Googling and just call bullshit now.
Lying here in Leeds AS WE SPEAK I think I'll call bullshit. Unless they've sprang up while I've been playing Final Fantasy
which is a real possibility as I can't stop playing
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=D...obile&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espvd=1&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=D...le&espvd=1&ie=UTF-8#q=sheffield+roma+problems
To be fair Leeds doesn't look bad compared to the rest of my examples, I stand corrected and you should class yourself as lucky. Bradford has definitely struggled with this rather than Leeds probably due to lower housing costs there.
Just because it hasn't affected you doesn't mean it's not happening.
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Don't touch your front door handle!
I'm sure if it was your house you would have stuff to say.
Oh well carry on pointing and laughing at how ridiculous it all sounds.
This lot in this area are horrendous mate. Of course not everyone who comes here behaves like this but we have no way from stopping the ass holes currently. It appears there is a lot of them concentrated into small areas.
Instant turn off. Odious wench of a woman.
Dozens at the links I posted.
You basically just described things anyone can see during a weekend piss up in many cities throughout the country, irrespective of colour, nationality or race. It's bizarre, because as someone who travels a fair bit, I'd say it's us Brits who have the worst reputation globally for being unruly in our night life. I mean, places like Ibiza, Magaluf, Ayia Napa etc, we basically popularised these insane clubbing destinations where you can see pretty much all manner of depravity and craziness.
But don't you think a lot of that has much more to do with the socio economics of their situation, than it does their origin? If these places are as shitty as you say, it sounds like the local councils are under representing them, or not allocating the proper funding and resources to deal with it all. Perhaps they lack the funding, who knows, but the added tensions, hatred and violence from the bigots, racists etc probably isn't helping.
Does definitely sound like a right mess from reading the articles, but I'm sure a lot of it has been exasperated by the right wing press. Hell from your Google links there are so many. There's also a few Britain First links that popped up with a video where things are clearly exaggerated, and I'd say one Britain First fella is on camera even harassing the Roma children on the streets. Not to mention they speak of all these concocted stories of Muslims abusing them during their leafleting (which conveniently they never manage to capture on film). If this is the sort of bollocks people have coverage to, it's no wonder tension are rife. Any people feeling victimised, marginalised or threatened (this goes for both sides) are going to be more likely to act up in retaliation. The calls to have these people thrown out and all the rest, is not the way forward.
We usually turn up at Ayia Napa with pockets full of cash to enjoy ourselves and leave 14 days later.. .
Typically with current politics, the Labour councils up until recently denied there was a problem and even implied racism until the police started requesting additional budgets to cope with the problems after filing scathing reports.
It should be noted a lot of the unrest isn't between the English and Roma, a lot of the various eastern European countries hate each other and are quite happy fighting (or stabbing) it out on the streets for superiority.
There have been numerous attempts at community meetings to discuss the problems that only the English part of the community bothered to turn up to.
They simply are not interested. Even the Polish who have never been a problem until this last lot turned up are disinterested.
It is all true in the articles, the reason Britain First or EDL show up is because it highlights their cause perfectly. They couldn't ask for better propaganda.
As I have said before, we need immigration to prosper but we don't need this. You'll have to forgive me for appearing to be like one of those crazy racists that liberal Lefties like to accuse everyone of being but when you have a Facebook feed like mine with horrible stories from friends almost daily it's hard not to be a bit jaded with how things are. We have enough of our own problems already that we can't cope with without this.
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BritGaffers might remember I tend to make dumb viral projects. Such as the breaking news generator: http://breakyourownnews.com/
I just had an election idea I wanted to fly by you all for suggestions and reaction.
The Jeremy Vine Green Screen Graphic Generator.
I've got a title, so now just need to know what it should do. That's my weekend sorted.
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You'd think he'd know its best to stay as far away from her as possible
I thought the numbers of people going to uni were now increasing again, now there aren't all the media stories about the fees being too high?
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You're a big guy.
This is a guy who held cabinet with Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Gove. He's cunt proof.
They're all a year old with no follow up stories. There's literally nothing from the last 6 months.
I think there's been an increase every year for a while from what I can remember reading. So there is a record number attending at present (naturally as the population also increases). Not sure exactly how much the increase post fee rise compares to the rate of increase prior, but I thought I read that the rate of increase had dropped somewhat. I believe the increased fees caused a 17% drop initially.
As someone who went to uni the year before fees went up, wasn't there an extra big increase that year, as everyone who didn't go to uni straight out of school but who were planning on going to uni at some point went that year to get in before they would have to pay 3x as much. Would that not have something to do with the decrease the year after?
There was an EDL march there the other week (not a big one granted.) along with the implementation of a public space protection order for the entire area.
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Possibly. Here are a few of the articles I found related.
BBC | Higher fees led to 17% drop in UK undergraduates
The Guardian | Tuition fees increase led to 15,000 fewer applicants
There was a lot of hysterical media coverage initially until everyone figured out that the re payment terms were actually an improvement with less risk to the students.
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Do you guys actually get anything from this echo chamber?
Scanning through this thread is amazing at times, taking a fucking word press blog as a smoking gun. Completely devaluing the opinion of a significant portion of the population. Reducing beliefs to be one of fear for one section while ignoring your own positions.
You even go so far as say 300,000 people coming into the country makes no difference factually, factually?!?! That is more people than the likes Belfast, Sunderland, Nottingham, Leicester coming in every year. Two years worth to fill Glasgow. Yet this has no ramifications to any service or infrastructure? Then say it is down to a lack of investment! And this assumes no one has kids and no growth within that number. It also assumes census data is filled out correctly and it also ignores the illegal element. Of which there is a large amount and I seriously doubt any little flowers here have lived in any of the communities changed.
Scanning through this thread is amazing at times, taking a fucking word press blog as a smoking gun. Completely devaluing the opinion of a significant portion of the population. Reducing beliefs to be one of fear for one section while ignoring your own positions.
You even go so far as say 300,000 people coming into the country makes no difference factually, factually?!?! That is more people than the likes Belfast, Sunderland, Nottingham, Leicester coming in every year. Two years worth to fill Glasgow. Yet this has no ramifications to any service or infrastructure? Then say it is down to a lack of investment! And this assumes no one has kids and no growth within that number. It also assumes census data is filled out correctly and it also ignores the illegal element. Of which there is a large amount and I seriously doubt any little flowers here have lived in any of the communities changed.
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