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Winterfang
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#team'MERICA!! All the way.
Banner thought it was a bad idea too. Also, considering the twins saved Cap's life, saved a ton of civilians, and confronted Ultron, I think Cap had enough reason to trust them. And why should Cap trust Stark when Stark didn't even bother to tell people about Ultron in the first place? There was no reason to trust Stark in that situation, and Stark could have helped the situation a bit more by telling Cap he was basically uploading Jarvis into the body and not another Ultron like AI
Is it really surprising that Captain America would side with two people who, wanting to serve their country, volunteered for experiments by a German scientist? If anything it just points out that, as the party scene showed, Captain America is more comfortable with warriors like Thor or his old soldier buddies than anyone else. I mean shit, he bonds with Banner OVER the fact they were both experimented on. It's telling that he rarely interacts with Hawkeye or Stark outside of duty, but hangs out with Falcon, Thor, Natasha and Banner without any work being discussed.
demosthenes
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No, what I mean is this:
1) World governments trying to figure out what to do after ultron
2) Antagonists of Cap3 will cause an incident that will basically push the world governments over the edge
3) Tony and Cap pick sides.
Coriolanus
Banned
The whole deal with steve is that when push comes to shove, he doesn't give a flying fuck about the government. He fights for 'merica.
E the Shaggy
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I really hope its the New Warriors that start everything and they cast Justin Bieber as Speedball.
I'd be okay with this. But I actually hope #2 doesn't happen and that Ultron is the thing that pushed the world governments over the edge.
He'd side with the government in this case because maybe they share the same belief that Stark's work is too dangerous now?
demosthenes
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I thought it was setup very well that at this point with the end of AoU
where Steve goes: "I'm home". Because it sounded like the military barracks when he jumped on that grenade in the first movie. He's a solider, that's all he knows how to be right now. Tony tries to solve problems before they happen, Steve looks to train non stop until the next problem comes so he's ready to stop it.
Last thing Stark did, for Cap, was create a world threatening AI with the mind stone, and the last thing the twins did in front of Cap was save him from Ultron and also save a trainload of civilians. I don't know why you think he should have trusted Stark who was off creating a second AI with the mind stone and not telling any of the rest of the team. Iron Man did not exactly plead his case well either given when Cap showed up to stop him from making Vision, Iron Man shot him across the room.
It's much more preferable than really obnoxious and obvious set-up, ya know? AOU drips with really subtle foreshadowing without it detracting from the film itself.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
A rumor from a while ago speculated that
The Winter Soldier
Howard Stark
House of M had some good moments but felt, to me, like a big hit piece for Wanda that the overall story didn't justify. It was a cool alternate universe with a warmed over, been done plot arc that didn't justify the assassination of Wanda's character.
Civil War was just a mess. The intent was to have two opposing sides that were equally correct, but then the Pro-Regs started imprisoning people, heroes, who disagreed with them in The Raft without trial, and cloning Thor, and killing Goliath. Just generally being complete monsters. And then the story ended by telling us the two most idiotic things.
1. NO GUYS, PRO-REGS WERE TOTALLY RIGHT
And
2. Only Tony will have access to the registry in order to keep it safe, meaning this could all have been solved if they had just had a conversation instead of SHIELD immediately drawing down on Cap.
The rumor was
the inciting incident is caused by Crossbones. But that doesn't really make sense to me since he's villain -- unless it's a battle between Crossbones and someone else?
Because it's obviously not going to about secret identities. Perhaps it will be about holding people responsible when they make a crazy AI that almost destroys the world.
Dear gods, I hope this is a meta post.
demosthenes
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Oohhhhh, that would be pretty huge.
Do we know:
how Howard died? Has it ever been mentioned? Have the timelines been looked at all? I suppose Tony finds that out and then finds out that Steve found Bucky and has him at Avengers Academy?
They have a huge marketing potential with this movie asking the audience to pick sides in the promos. I wonder who is more popular though. I know for sure in my friend circle outside America almost everyone universally prefers Iron Man. I do too but I am assuming domestically Caps is more popular as he is an American Soldier? Eitherways they are going to mint money from this movie.
No freaking way. They will all be there at Infinity War. I expect Cap to die there and Bucky to take over at some point though.
BronsonLee
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YOU DIE AND YOU DIE AND YOU DIE
CA: TWS had us find out Howard died in a 'car crash' that Zola said wasn't an accident. Implication is Howard knew about Hydra (thus explaining why he hid the element design from Shield for Tony to discover.)
Even without knowing the details, Cap being on the government side would be a huge reversal of his character in the MCU. He believes the government is fallible and open to corruption, and that expanded government power means less liberty, even if it comes with the benefit of more security.
What's almost certainly going to happen is that Stark is going to join the government side in order to ensure mistakes like the ones he made never happen again.
Buddha Beam
Banned
If I had to guess based on that, I'd say that Civil War will be about Hydra agents in government trying to take control of The Avengers, but Tony is too out to lunch to realize it.
Coriolanus
Banned
He'd already told Nick to shove it with his global tracking system in Winter Soldier. Far more likely that Tony gets a gubment deal to develop the tech and Steve goes "lolno son.".
Messypandas
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Tony honestly seemed like a guy the world needed protecting from at the end of AOU.
Boo this man!
DarkJediKnight
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Before Winter Soldier, I would have picked Iron Man. That movie made Cap cool - which I thought was impossible!
Now I root for Cap.
Now I root for Cap.
It's entirely possible for Cap to take the same stance as the government without 'siding' with the government. My proposed idea was more along the lines of Cap and government both agreeing that Stark needs supervision, not the government or whatever is left of SHIELD straight up taking Stark tech.
Age of Ultron isn't even the first time Stark's tech comes back to bite him, see: Iron Man 2. Cap is all about punishment after the crime, and Stark's already committed the crime.
VeryGooster
Banned
Stupid sexy Stark
Nice art tho
Nice art tho
Yep, I'm glad Whedon didn't undo any of that in AOU
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
I wonder how they're going to do the super hero registration act now that all of shields files have basically outed every metahuman.
Everyone knows who Cap, Iron Man, Widow, Hawkguy, etc are. Kinda takes the wind out of the sales of the Anti-Reg argument.
EDIT: Just read the Feige interview. So it's more about regulation than registration. Hope that doesn't come off as boring as it sounds.
Everyone knows who Cap, Iron Man, Widow, Hawkguy, etc are. Kinda takes the wind out of the sales of the Anti-Reg argument.
EDIT: Just read the Feige interview. So it's more about regulation than registration. Hope that doesn't come off as boring as it sounds.
wat? No? Thanos is the one who kills Cap. C'mon, son, Comics 101.
In short? Because IT SUCKS. Every character was way OOC and being just an asshole (Except Reed, he always is).
Well, in the end
Falcon had a new wingsuit with more orange in it and probably enhanced weaponry, WM went back to his IM2 design and Wanda went to get herself a complete makeover
demosthenes
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Ah alright, forgot that was brought up.
Will definitely cause issue if Steve brings Bucky into AA and Tony finds out all that information. I wonder how Tony would learn any of it though b/c he's probably not even looking.
This keeps getting spread, he actually put that down in an interview saying his words were blown up. His main goal is to direct. He's going to do that as much as possible but honor what he's signed on for.
It was Scarlet Witch screwing with Tony's mind (given those apocalyptic visions combine with dying Cap saying "you should have done more, you could have saved us," that pushed Tony into using the scepter to create Ultron. So no, Cap trusting Wanda over Tony DOESN'T make sense, it's her damn fault in the first place (and I say that as someone who LOVED Wanda in the movie).
That's because Marvel has this obsession with Cap being the "bestest best" at everyone, and he can never wrong or be on the wrong side of an issue in Marvel's mind. But since the basis of Tony's argument actually made A LOT more sense than Cap's (his argument was always utterly ludicrous to me), they had to completely demonize Tony's side just to make "Captain MURICA" seem like the hero.
Stark is a megalomaniac that prefers not to kill people, because then they couldn't buy his stuff.
It's really simple -- the only free will that matters to Tony Stark is Tony Stark's. He's willing to basically enslave the planet to get his way. What anyone else believes or feels is irrelevant to him. If you read the Civil War comics, he was pretty much a monster. He was a villain.
It's really simple -- the only free will that matters to Tony Stark is Tony Stark's. He's willing to basically enslave the planet to get his way. What anyone else believes or feels is irrelevant to him. If you read the Civil War comics, he was pretty much a monster. He was a villain.
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