PS4 reaches 2m sales in the UK
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Thank you Senior Analyst. You said it much more eloquently than I was attempting to. We trust in Zhuge is the best bet.
Microsoft Chad
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Who?
I'm saying that it's possible there was a shipment to prepare for November, and a shipment in November to prepare for December.
Microsoft Chad
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I mean in the UK my bad.
Microsoft Chad
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Huh odd we don't have sell or ships of PS2/Xbox or 360/PS3 for Europe for the first 2 years.
Because it sounds like both are beating the previous records but I guess we wont' know.
The PS4 is certainly tracking ahead of every console apart from the Wii in the UK.
Microsoft Chad
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What was the wii doing?
Off the top of my head
2006- ~190k
2007- ~1810k (2000k)
2008- ~2700k (4700k)
2009- ~1900k (6600k)
LTD: >8.5m
Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Microsoft Chad
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That seems like a lot in that short of a time, I'm assuming the only reason 360 passed the Wii was kinect?
You do have to take into consideration that the market size has been increasing a lot since the PS2 days. Besides the PS4 has been released in a lot more countries a lot quicker than the PS2 or the PS3 ever did.
There are tons of games available. Of course it's not "omg look at all these awesome exclusives" like the PS2 days anymore, this ship has sailed. That doesn't change the fact that you can have access to hundreds of games.
The final point is that the previous gen was one of the longest, and contraty to a somewhat popular belief, people were hungry for new consoles.
The 360 started off slow but got higher and higher, Kinect helped extend the life of the console and so the 360 passed Wii and is now standing at ~8.8m. Will struggle to get over 9m.
100% agree.
Microsoft Chad
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Yeah, I suppose a PS4 price drop in the fall could push the PS4 back up toward Wii level, but it will probably not match it, that thing did a lot in such a short time. Even in the Uk surprisingly.
Yes, but just like on the worldwide scale, Wii sales dropped off fairly quickly.
In the UK the Wii failed to match the PS2's 10.01m sales. Even the 360 won't match that. PS2 is still king!
PoweredByHentai
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Ah, that explains why I kept thinking that 13 million was high for the present time.
Microsoft Chad
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Yeah I think it's a better chance of the 360 reaching the PS2 in the U.S. then the UK. Both unlikely, however the 360 is pretty much dead in the U.K., May get some life in U.S.
Did the PS3 ever beat the Wii In germany?
ethomaz
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You know PS4 + Xbone sells like 30k max per week combined in UK outside holidays period... I'm being generous.
ethomaz
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You use US + UK sold compared with WW shipped.
To be fair the best estimates...
Shipped: 13-13.5m
Sold: 11-12m
So US + UK is around 75% of WW sales.
Boombloxer
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Its not though. We know what the range of titles: CoD, Destiny, FIFA, Madden, GTA, etc.
The question simply reeks of "I don't understand why people play these games on the PS4 when they're available on last gen".
Because they don't want to, and want to play them on PS4.
Not rocket science.
serversurfer
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Do your links not answer your question? PS4 owners are playing the 27 games per month that are being released for the system. Practically a game a day, and we haven't even kicked off Year Two. By comparison, WiiU has been averaging 15 games a month, so about half as many as the leading platform. Then factor in power differences, genre representation, etc.
Also, damn, WiiU haz no games. =/
serversurfer
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Sorry for the double, but I was gonna make this thoughtful post about how without a killer gimmick, from a price/performance perspective, Wii U is really competing with PS3 and XB2, and the latter have far larger libraries of even cheaper games.
Then I checked Amazon and saw that a Wii U is $300. Holy fuck, Nintendo.
Then I checked Amazon and saw that a Wii U is $300. Holy fuck, Nintendo.
PdotMichael
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Well, looking at the release list here. The only boxed WiiU game for May is Kirby, while PS4 gets 11 games.
Thanks for the numbers. Interesting. So as I see it (simplistically):
- PS3 - launching March 2007 - so say 97 months on market selling 5.8 M - flat average of 13,800K per month approx
- 360 - launching December 2005 - say 472 weeks on market selling 8.8 M - flat average of 18,600K per month approx
So just keeping it simple if they launched same timeframe with consistent demand you'd be looking at:
- 360 - 8.8 Million (actual) - 57.5% approx
- PS3 - 6.5 Million (adjusted assuming it actually launched same time 360) - 42.5% approx
So yeah decent win for 360 but the view 360 totally dominated in line with US and that UK become "Xboxland" is really false and more down to the extra 52 weeks of sales rather than a massive underlying demand difference.
For me this shows (coupled with strong Wii sales then various changes in baseline demand this gen) that UK is in fact not overly biased to any of the console brands and each in fact can sell well so long as the overall package and market perception is good.
This gen the PS4 is ahead (so far) in a similar vein to how 360 was ahead last gen (adjusting for time) with a better market perception and initial price advantage however XB1 is far from being dominated it seems. Wii U shows the biggest market change but really that's a sign of how much Nintendo failed to market the console, capture the public zeitgeist as they did with Wii itself and ensure a strong follow on from their previous console.
By comparison I'd say both Sony and MS have done a decent enough job maintaining a decent follow on from previous gen although as noted Sony has done the better job overall hence it has seen the better response.
Would be interested if you think I've made any big mistakes in assumptions or taking a very simply flat sales pattern (for simplicity as I noted).
Myself I don't believe the UK was ever really "Xboxland" or "Sonyland" and it's flawed to see the market as ever having been that skewed (PS2 is probably an exception but I believe that was down to worldwide trends rather than anything regional in UK).
If anything UK is really "Likespopularconsoleland" than anything else and there's little brand preference or loyalty to worry about or overcome for any of the three console providers.
slavesnyder
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Even worse when you take a look at what the consoles offer beside gaming.
WiiU is very game-centric. In theory.
MrNyarlathotep
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I think its more that the UK is insanely price conscious, and if they're not buying the cheapest option they're buying the best perceived value for money option.
Yeah but if I said that I'd be calling myself cheap!
EDIT: I should add it's not just price though. Perception of value is actually stronger driver I'd argue. With 360 price and in many cases better version of multi-platform games the perception was it offered somewhat better value to PS3 (depending on your view on exclusives and Blu Ray of course). This gen PS4 had a combination of price with better versions of multi-platform games and garnered perception it offered better value. Both have used deals/bundles a lot in UK as a result and when they don't retailers themselves are using the console's decent demand combined with deals to attract customers.
This is somewhat true.
It's also what gains popularity early, due to price, that ends up winning as well. The 360 always had a healthy lead over the PS3 in the UK and I'm aware that back in 2007,8 and 9 the younger audience in the UK saw the 360 as the console of choice because their friends had one and it was cheaper than the PS3 and had pretty much the same games.
This time the PS4 had the price advantage early on and the install base advantage early on, and whilst the Xbox One is now cheaper and actually doing decently sales wise the PS4 continues to do better because it had the advantage first and peoples friends already had the PS4. It's about mindshare as well.
So I would say that last gen was more in favour of the Xbox where this gen is more in favour of the PlayStation, in the UK.
Herman Cain
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Is that the official price or just Amazon?
MrNyarlathotep
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Sure.
Maybe you're just naive, but a string of posters all quoting the same post - a post that was subsequently clarified after being made, to boot - while calling it a shitpost and saying "STEALTH PS4 HAZ NO GAEMZ POST HURR DURR, LIKE MODS SAID NOT TO DO" is standard GAF operating procedure to try and get a user banned.
Even if they're not explicitly posting "Mods ban this user", their intent in repeat quoting an initial post even after the user had clarified intent is pretty fucking obvious.
It has nothing to do with this topic. and if you are so desperate for an answer you could have just PMed me instead of trying to derail again. Hope you're satisfied!
EDIT: and I'm not going to respond to anyone quoting this who wants to debate it any further, just to be clear.
You would get the impression that some of you are shareholders in these companies as you defend brands based on sales. I don't get the passion attached with sales figures but I guess its an intrinsic part of this digital war.
Still, it makes good reading I guess.
Like someone said above, the UK market does seem like a market heavily influenced by price (more so than normal I think). But the PS4 outselling the PS2 by a wide margin alone is pretty damn impressive.
Dude, you need to calm down. I isn't something to get so riled up about. People quoted the post because they wanted to comment on it, and not all people who multi-quote a post is clamoring for a ban (see your game number post about the PS4/WiiU).
krypt0nian
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You just caused more than that with your offtopic argument.
serversurfer
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The MSRP on the top result at Amazon is a whopping $349.99, but Amazon are selling it for $295.97. I didn't see anything not labeled "Deluxe," so I don't know if there are cheaper options.
To be fair, a lot of people don't seem to read the rest of the thread before responding. For example, in the FC4:CE thread, I explained a few times exactly how little money Ubi are actually making on the Bone especially in Europe and there was still a bunch of people posting, "Sony prolly paid them off."
Maybe you should go yell at them too.
While we like value for money here people also get wary when an item has been priced chopped over and over. It's been as low as £230 in the past specials that's £200 off the launch price, you can understand why people are holding off.
To be fair, writing posts requires a lot less energy than making videos championing a certain brand.
You would get the impression that some of you are shareholders in these companies as you defend brands based on sales.
MrNyarlathotep
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I used to believe that rapid price cutting held a certain stigma, but then the original Xbox happened, which although never "successful" like the PS2 was annihilated what few GC sales there were at the time.
We can see the same pattern repeating with the Xbox One - the UK is probably still the second most successful global market for it as a result of deep and rapid price cutting, whereas somewhere like Germany still won't touch it.
MrNyarlathotep
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Yeah, but that was firmly in the "rip off britain" Sega + Nintendo price-fixing era so its unclear how much of that was market forces and how much was governmental departments looking into what they were up to.
I mean, more contemporary examples of how price conscious we are as a country comes from the software charts threads - literally every time you see some random title re-emerge in the charts its because some retailer is doing a promotion (most recently Argos doing Pokemon BW for £20 if I remember rightly...?)
Yup, that's the UK right there haha.
serversurfer
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Can someone explain to me what exactly was going on with the Nintendo price fixing thing? Like, if the MSRP was $100, why would Ninty care if retailers were selling it for $90 if Ninty were still getting the $80 or whatever the wholesale price of the hardware was?
Why would they care how much or how little retailers were making if it didn't affect their own income at all? On the contrary, wouldn't lower hardware prices at retail mean more hardware sales and in turn, more software? If Walmart started selling their PS4s at cost, I can't imagine Sony getting bent out of shape about it. =/
Why would they care how much or how little retailers were making if it didn't affect their own income at all? On the contrary, wouldn't lower hardware prices at retail mean more hardware sales and in turn, more software? If Walmart started selling their PS4s at cost, I can't imagine Sony getting bent out of shape about it. =/
That's actually the one thing that irks me about Gaf: people respond with their kneejerk reaction without checking if a hundred others have already said the exact same thing. I always read the whole thread before joining the party, which was part of the reason why it took me almost a year to graduate as a full member. /rant
That's some good going! Gratz to Sony
I'm responsible for 0.0001% of those, so I did my part lol.
You bought 2 PS4's?
PoweredByHentai
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I'd say that this is the case with any forum.
10101
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Yep, got one for my son last Christmas
Herman Cain
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So I looked at this thread and I noticed that the Wii U is not mentioned at all.
Surely that's near 1 million now.
Surely that's near 1 million now.
May be, but this is by far the fastest moving I frequent, so the effect is waaaaay exaggerated.
Still: <3
lol ok.