DarkLordMalik
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I dunno but I also found the game unusually dark on PS4 on default brightness settings. Had to adjust it in-game.
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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CyberPunked
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I meant the resolution of the grass sprites
ISee
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To be honest AO is better on PC.
Also Grass density is a bit higher (maybe 5% - 10%)
AO is better here again and there is a bit more grass.
Even shadow resolution seems to be a bit higher (but it is hard to tell from a YT video... as always)
But overall, the game is 1:1 the same. Of course 30 - 60 fps will make a huge difference but when ultra PC settings are as good looking as a console version, then something is wrong for a mainly on PC developed titel.
Also Grass density is a bit higher (maybe 5% - 10%)
AO is better here again and there is a bit more grass.
Even shadow resolution seems to be a bit higher (but it is hard to tell from a YT video... as always)
But overall, the game is 1:1 the same. Of course 30 - 60 fps will make a huge difference but when ultra PC settings are as good looking as a console version, then something is wrong for a mainly on PC developed titel.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Listen. Ihave a theory that is the most plausible and may answer this once and for all for you. The nude Yennefer with towel on her head seems to be the default version. The one with both bra and underwear seems to be the one from the middle east and the one with underwear only seems to be from Germany and the last two have gore censored too (well german one must surely be more ceonsored in gore but less in nudity). This is after seeing much videos and collecting infos. I hope this may relieve you a little.
MultiCore
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viveks86
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Wrong. There are only 2 versions in retail. Dawg is from Germany. Check his PS4 version. Look up his screens posted on twitter
UnrealEck
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I think AO is pretty much the same there. That's why I think either the console versions are using HBAO or it's just not working in the build they're using there.
Nvidia's HBAO looks noticeably different from SSAO. Like, you can immediately notice the difference without question.
ISee
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All games are developed ON PC.
This game just so happens to not be developed FOR PC.
... what I meant to say.
iNvid02
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All games are developed ON PC.
This game just so happens to not be developed FOR PC.
As long as CDRP doesn't make that kind of commercial : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Dp7HeW9vs
I'm okay with that.
finalflame
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He just seems like a more annoying/less authentic version of boogie2988, who also plays this persona. He even copied the voice pretty closely.
what has Microsoft to do with it?
PLASTICA-MAN
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What do you mean? There two versions in Germany? One semi censored and one uncensored?
viveks86
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2 versions in global retail for nudity. Censored and uncensored. The semi censored version is a mystery
It's ironic how he looks kinda like Jamie Kennedy and has the same unfunny shtick.
Unfortunately when the argument gets reduced to that, it becomes a carte blanche acceptance of developer lying. I doubt anything will change with other big titles, but must we bend over entirely?
Sodding_Gamer
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Slightly off-topic but when does the game actually unlock in the UK on GOG galaxy?
Towel on head, no underwear nor bra
No towel, underwear, no bra
No towel, underwear and bra.
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Maybe Towel Technology is a Nvidia Gameworks exclusive feature
UnrealEck
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Sodding_Gamer
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PLASTICA-MAN
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This is one is German version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cJF4oLxOw&feature=youtu.be
It must be the semi-censored version I talked about. How is the version of DAWG? Not like this one?
viveks86
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Nope. She's fully naked, as per design
Except both console uncensored versions have towel technology, Germany included
Emperor_Uriel
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It has been, and it's a large part of why I feel the hardware companies are more at fault than CDPR.
While that doesn't give them the right to lie to us now, I can absolutely see how them screwing us was a result of hardware devs screwing them.
Intheflorsh
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I like when he rips off his shirt to reveal he's actually a cool guy.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Nope. She's fully naked, as per design
Except both console uncensored versions have towel technology, Germany included
Someone needs to ask the devs about that for clarifications. I won't ask them for that particular matter, sorry.
If they had released a controlled insider leak like this 3 months ago and then just kept their mouths shut instead of straight up lying publically, I would bet good money the backlash would of been minimal to non-existent by release time.
Yeah you would of gotten a vocal group temporarily pissed about consoles causing the PC sacrifice but CDPR would of kept their good guy reputation and likely had more sympathy after the dust settled knowing they were put in an untenable position given limitations and finite resources.
But instead they have done what they did and they deserve all that they are getting and probably more. I have no sympathy given how they have handled this and after posters pointing out that they are STILL using false footage during installation of the actual game I am beginning to disdain this company for what they have done.
Ophiuchus
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Haha.I think we have to get used to such posts.
stabiliser
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Wrong again, NO DAY ONE PATCH. They will get it on Monday and they said it several times. But you have proven countless times that you only hear what you want to hear, posted low res twitch screenshots and made pointless PC vs PS4 comparisons. You Sir are a fountain of misinformation and a day one grade A moran. Congrats.
Disagree. The in-house particle solution looks much nicer in motion. Very similar to the original Unrea engine 4 demo. The Phys-X particles never fully disperse in the same manner. There is a greater density to the particles but the way they move looks a lot less impressive. Deck 13's own solution is definitely the way to go.
viveks86
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Someone needs to ask the devs about that for clarifications. I won't ask them for that particular matter, sorry.
No worries. I think I know the answer already. I've known it for days. Now it's just a matter of confirming it first hand. Just a day to go anyway
ISee
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So lets put on our tin foil heads.
But this looks more like parity between all three systems, then just a downgrade. The Xbox One and PS4 versions are very close to each other and the PS4 and PC version is also nearly identical. Do you think this has something to do with the Microsoft PR deal, because Microsoft doesn't want the Xbox ONE to look way behind (graphicly speaking)? Is it 'Unity' all over again?
But this looks more like parity between all three systems, then just a downgrade. The Xbox One and PS4 versions are very close to each other and the PS4 and PC version is also nearly identical. Do you think this has something to do with the Microsoft PR deal, because Microsoft doesn't want the Xbox ONE to look way behind (graphicly speaking)? Is it 'Unity' all over again?
iNvid02
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the eve of a new generation is supposed to be a magical time, but overestimating specs and crossgen drawbacks have left a bitter aftertaste ;_;
i sincerely hope the hardware makers are able to subtly guide devs in the right direction next time around so this sort of stuff can be avoided.
viveks86
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GravityMan
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Honestly, at this point CDPR and their parent company (CDP) would have been better off coming clean back in 2014. Admit that they deliberately downgraded the game for reasons A, B and C. Would some gamers be upset? Yes...but they'd soon get over it and most of them would likely buy the game anyway. The whole issue would have likely blown over well before now.
By doing all this denying, CDP may have dug themselves a much bigger hole. Much of their goodwill with a large percentage of PC gamers is now in jeopardy.
I don't fault CDPR (the dev studio itself) too much. The directive to downgrade likely came from their parent company, possibly with a bit of encouragement from Microsoft and to a lesser extent Sony. It was a business decision, just like Watch_Dogs and other games that went for parity.
CDP is still a fairly young company; they've only been known for 8-10 years. I hope that this is just chalked up to "inexperience" mistakes and they can learn from them...instead of them being rotten at the core (like EA/Ubi).
By doing all this denying, CDP may have dug themselves a much bigger hole. Much of their goodwill with a large percentage of PC gamers is now in jeopardy.
I don't fault CDPR (the dev studio itself) too much. The directive to downgrade likely came from their parent company, possibly with a bit of encouragement from Microsoft and to a lesser extent Sony. It was a business decision, just like Watch_Dogs and other games that went for parity.
CDP is still a fairly young company; they've only been known for 8-10 years. I hope that this is just chalked up to "inexperience" mistakes and they can learn from them...instead of them being rotten at the core (like EA/Ubi).
Kenzodielocke
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Please tell me, what the hell is going on. It doesn't make sense to me. Conan video had towel and ass, while the video of gronkh (also pre-release version) had no towel and no naked ass. While other PS4 version do have towel and ass.
Too much ass here.
Dictator93
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I am not sure how a partial MS marketting deal could be responsible for apparent parity. Rather, it is a matter of developer choice. The current gen twins are so similar that their apparent differences (primarily resolution) are understandable. The lack of differences in the PC SKU at higher settings implies that the capabilities of modern PCs were pretty much ignored.
It is not as if the game is ugly all of a sudden, but it is hard to stomach that ultra is basically a slightly better high... instead of introducing a wide range of heavy effects work.
stabiliser
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I have a theory - could this be a form of copy protection? They said that the PC Version is missing some parts that you have to download on releas day.
Allnamestakenlol
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Man, this thread is moving crazy fast now. (nothingstopsthistrain.gif)
Quick question, and sorry if this has already been discussed (it has, I don't doubt), but do we have any idea whether the 35-minute demo is still representative of the game on PC, or was it 'pre-downgrade'? I mean, it was released about 9 months ago, that should at least be almost identical to the end product, shouldn't it?
Quick question, and sorry if this has already been discussed (it has, I don't doubt), but do we have any idea whether the 35-minute demo is still representative of the game on PC, or was it 'pre-downgrade'? I mean, it was released about 9 months ago, that should at least be almost identical to the end product, shouldn't it?
I don't think it's as easy as "Lol Microsoft told them to make PS4 and PC versions ugly".
Hell I'm more inclined to believe their engine is at fault and that there are engine limitations that they realised much too late into development that they couldn't overcome.
Why piss off 2/3rds of potential customers because big papa Microsoft said so?
Hell I'm more inclined to believe their engine is at fault and that there are engine limitations that they realised much too late into development that they couldn't overcome.
Why piss off 2/3rds of potential customers because big papa Microsoft said so?
PLASTICA-MAN
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What answer do you know? Don't worry. I can bear the the truth. lol
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You thought PS4 version was censored? lol
Oh please they could have still kept the graphics the same or similar as 2013 if they wished but they didnt
Downgrade Hunt?
viveks86
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Wait one more day. Why do you think i made that mind fuck of a GIF? Proof, towels, crow are all coming. I think. If they don't.... well... everyone's fucked. We can all get our pitchforks ready then
Ophiuchus
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I would prefer towel and ass.Towel looks sexy.
Gunslinger
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So looking at these pics it's clear parity strikes again. I wonder if #pcmasterrace crowd are upset.
UnrealEck
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Experience in the industry isn't required to understand lying to customers is wrong.
PC version has no copy protection as it's a GoG game.
It's crossed my mind. I'm sure I will get a tag quote but it does make you wonder. After all the game has been in development a while and CDPR probably assumed like most that Microsoft would be the industry leader again and thus because of PC and Xbox it was in their interest to keep the relationship strong.
I mean they have pretty much admitted they developed around the lowest common denominator. The question is whether that was 1.) out of necessity 2.) if they could have realistically maximized further or kept in technical features for the ps4 and PC versions but chose not to due to contractual agreements with Microsoft.
Those questions will likely never be proven and will be left to speculation and conspiracy.
Either way it isn't as bad as unity where unity literally gimped ps4 optimization to achieve as close to a true parity as possible. Unity basically half assed their other versions to try and drag them down while CDPR may have downgraded the baseline to the lowest common denominator and been unwilling to add too many core additional features like lighting and particles. And maybe that was unnecessarily done but they have maximized each version from that downgraded starting point to the best of their abilities.
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