The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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Ri'Orius said:
Did I miss an explanation for why they let Thawne/Wells use the wormhole, too? Especially since it apparently could've taken him to any time he wanted, letting him go instead of at least trying to renege seems... pretty dumb.
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Just the good guys being honest and doing the right thing. Plus, Thawne's such a menace that if they can send him on his merry way and out of their hair, they'll take it.

Of course, with that said... I dunno why they felt the need to give him back his Zoom outfit.
 
Ri'Orius said:
Did I miss an explanation for why they let Thawne/Wells use the wormhole, too? Especially since it apparently could've taken him to any time he wanted, letting him go instead of at least trying to renege seems... pretty dumb.
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It's played off as the good guys holding up their end, but...the whole plot of the episode really kind of falls apart. Had some great emotional moments and fan service and the action at the end was good. The rest...well, it just falls apart really. The fact that everyone just let Barry do it. Not only let him, but HELPED him do an incredibly dangerous scenario that could have had horrible, terrible ramifications (which it does) with an unknown pay off (if there would be any in the first place) just felt off. Just plain off.
 
BKatastrophe said:
It's played off as the good guys holding up their end, but...the whole plot of the episode really kind of falls apart. Had some great emotional moments and fan service and the action at the end was good. The rest...well, it just falls apart really. The fact that everyone just let Barry do it. Not only let him, but HELPED him do an incredibly dangerous scenario that could have had horrible, terrible ramifications (which it does) with an unknown pay off (if there would be any in the first place) just felt off. Just plain off.
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Not to mention even if Barry DID pull it off and saved his mother, who know how it would affect the lives of people in the present. People who would have lived may have ended up dead instead, relationships may have never formed, etc. It would have affected countless others in unpredictable ways, including all of Barry's loved ones. It's a ridiculously stupid risk to take but the show glosses over it. And then letting Thawne, a known murderer and sociopath, free to do as he pleases is incredibly irresponsible. Eddie should have just gone and had a vasectomy.
 
guek said:
Not to mention even if Barry DID pull it off and saved his mother, who know how it would affect the lives of people in the present. People who would have lived may have ended up dead instead, relationships may have never formed, etc. It would have affected countless others in unpredictable ways, including all of Barry's loved ones. It's a ridiculously stupid risk to take but the show glosses over it. And then letting Thawne, a known murderer and sociopath, free to do as he pleases is incredibly irresponsible. Eddie should have just gone and had a vasectomy.
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Well, I think I kind of understand it. The logic is that by stopping Thawne, then Barry's mother lives, which means everything that happened BEFORE that event will happen, right? I mean Barry becomes Flash still, right?

Wrong. Barru going and stopping Thawne is now different than the previous timeline of Barry simply growing up and becoming the Flash. So the end result is still totally unknown.

Plus Eddie's vasectomy could always not take and he gets his next girl pregnant on accident
 
BKatastrophe said:
Well, I think I kind of understand it. The logic is that by stopping Thawne, then Barry's mother lives, which means everything that happened BEFORE that event will happen, right? I mean Barry becomes Flash still, right?

Wrong. Barru going and stopping Thawne is now different than the previous timeline of Barry simply growing up and becoming the Flash. So the end result is still totally unknown.

Plus Eddie's vasectomy could always not take and he gets his next girl pregnant on accident
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Then shoot him in the dick! :-P

Real talk, were I Eddie, would have rather shot my nuts off than died.
 
guek said:
Then shoot him in the dick! :-P

Real talk, were I Eddie, would have rather shot my nuts off than died.
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How would you do that?

Probably had like 5 seconds.

And you would need to fire a few bullets, hold your dick out the way etc...

All while reverse flash is about to go postal on everyone in a second
 
Am I the only one watching tonight? The pilot doesn't seem as corny as I remembered. That might be mitigated by the future awesomeness.
 
I still can't really believe they went with "I should save my mom and change everyone's life and maybe destroy the solar system what do you think guys???"

"YOU SHOULD TOTALLY DO IT BARRY :D"

I mean wtf.

Also Caitlin, scientific extraordinaire "what's a singularity?"
 
Shahadan said:
I still can't really believe they went with "I should save my mom and change everyone's life and maybe destroy the solar system what do you think guys???"

"YOU SHOULD TOTALLY DO IT BARRY :D"

I mean wtf.
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they probably came to terms with the fact that their current existence was a farce created by Eobard Thawne


or they just didn't give a shit
 
TheVampire said:
How would you do that?

Probably had like 5 seconds.

And you would need to fire a few bullets, hold your dick out the way etc...

All while reverse flash is about to go postal on everyone in a second
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Blasting your nuts off ain't surgery, it's...blasting your nuts off! Sacrifice the shaft too if you must ;_;
 
guek said:
Then shoot him in the dick! :-P

Real talk, were I Eddie, would have rather shot my nuts off than died.
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couldn't he have just booked an appointment for a vasectomy?

there are a lot of logical flaws with the Flash. He's the fastest man alive, but he can't run up to a guy with a freeze ray gun and break all of his fingers. But hey it's a comic book tv show. just let it go, man.
 
kurahador said:
Urghhh...no. Grodd episode was among the worst ---- unnecessary Grodd jump, conflict resolve by a train that somehow on the same track as the train passing by few seconds prior, Joe overacting, terrible Grodd CGI...etc
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Anyone complaining about the CGI on a CW TV show can go to hell. I think it's terrific considering the budget restraints.
 
Shahadan said:
I still can't really believe they went with "I should save my mom and change everyone's life and maybe destroy the solar system what do you think guys???"

"YOU SHOULD TOTALLY DO IT BARRY :D"

I mean wtf.

Also Caitlin, scientific extraordinaire "what's a singularity?"
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I think that may have been the single worst piece of dialogue in the show.
iosefe said:
they probably came to terms with the fact that their current existence was a farce created by Eobard Thawne


or they just didn't give a shit
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I can't buy that. Their lives were completely real. Thawne re-wrote reality, effectively. It wasn't a farce at all. And they clearly gave a shit. The whole point of the marriage was that they have no idea what could happen. Maybe Caitlyn and Ronnie never meet each other. Maybe they all die from a singularity. They didn't know. And Cisco and Joe clearly gave a damn.
sarcastor said:
couldn't he have just booked an appointment for a vasectomy?

there are a lot of logical flaws with the Flash. He's the fastest man alive, but he can't run up to a guy with a freeze ray gun and break all of his fingers. But hey it's a comic book tv show. just let it go, man.
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With Cold, there was a lot of leverage on Barry. The only time it was actually ridiculous was when him and Heatwave came to town and Barry beat them by "crossing the streams." THAT was super contrived. The rest I had no problem with.
 
Finally caught up and caught the finale. Awesome.

Jay Garrick's helmet, Rip Hunter mention, Vibe mention. Awesome stuff. I guess the wormhole appeared because if Eobard never existed then that timeline wouldn't exist. Interested to see how they resolve it.
 
Shahadan said:
Also Caitlin, scientific extraordinaire "what's a singularity?"
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Caitlin is still only a bio-engineer. Martin Stein is one of the world's leading physicists. Maybe you ask him too to be sure you're talking about the same thing when it is his expertise. Kinda strange that a company working on one of the biggest breakthroughs in physics doesn't actually employ any physicists outside of Hartley.
 
Joni said:
Caitlin is still only a bio-engineer. Martin Stein is one of the world's leading physicists. Maybe you ask him too to be sure you're talking about the same thing when it is his expertise. Kinda strange that a company working on one of the biggest breakthroughs in physics doesn't actually employ any physicists outside of Hartley.
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There's literally no excuse for her not knowing that. You learn that in a high-school freshman science class.
 
BKatastrophe said:
Never covered it in depth. Just in general how it related to black holes. Freshman year was an exaggeration, but I do remember going over it in physics class in high school.
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So when someone tells you about a possible singularity happening, you don't go 'what?' And put me in the category of singularities not being part of my school curriculum, despite the year of physics I did at university. (It obviously was part of later years.)
 
BKatastrophe said:
Never covered it in depth. Just in general how it related to black holes. Freshman year was an exaggeration, but I do remember going over it in physics class in high school.
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Same here, though I'm not surprised that your average person wouldn't know what it is. Someone who works in a particle accelerator, however...
 
Joni said:
So when someone tells you about a possible singularity happening, you don't go 'what?' And put me in the category of singularities not being part of my school curriculum, despite the year of physics I did at university. (It obviously was part of later years.)
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First thing I do when I hear the term is think of a black hole.
 
Yeah it isn't basic high school science. That's silly.

Caitilin has a doctorate in biology on the other hand, which I'm assuming would require at least a perfunctory education in physics and other scientific fields. Seems odd they didn't get someone like Ronnie or Eddie to ask that question.
 
ZeroX03 said:
Yeah it isn't basic high school science. That's silly.

Caitilin has a doctorate in biology on the other hand, which I'm assuming would require at least a perfunctory education in physics and other scientific fields. Seems odd they didn't get someone like Ronnie or Eddie to ask that question.
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yes because the lead structural engineer (whom also partially shares a mind with Martin Stein) who was likely explained multiple times that if things aren't done right there is a chance a singularity might form would make a lot more sense :P.

Personally I have no issues with Caitlin asking it. I know what it is, and as an inquisitive mind I would likely ask that question as well just to confirm as it would be beyond belief one is forming in front of me.
 
Yes, one of the engineers working on a particle accelerator doesn't know what a singularity is.

its just bad writing, theres tons of it on the show. it is what it is.
 
Isn't it rare to see black hole described in this term.

Most educated people when they hear singularity they don't think of black holes. They think about the point in the future, where the technology will get so advanced that it will allow us to completely transcend our biological limitations.
 
BKatastrophe said:
First thing I do when I hear the term is think of a black hole.
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Which are similar and related concepts, but not necessarily the same.

scabro said:
Yes, one of the engineers working on a particle accelerator doesn't know what a singularity is.
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She was working at the night of the explosion. But when something went wrong, she wasn't one of the people to go and fix it. Ronnie and Cisco did that. Considering her background in bio-engineering and neuro-science, it is more likely she was working on something else.
 
scabro said:
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My bad I guess. I thought she said she was a doctor, as most of the stuff she did was monitoring the team's vitals. Now that I think about it though I remember her doing some shit with DNA when they were investigating for Team Arrow
Sara's death
. Not sure what bio-engineering has to do with black holes, but I'm not any kind of engineer.

Sorry it's a slow work night and I'm bored enough to argue this dumb point.
 
Even if she was the janitor, anyone working on a particle accelerator have heard the word "singularity" because it's the worst case scenario. Not to mention the newspapers and scientifics everywhere would have talked about it before the damn thing is even built.

The fact that she is a scientific and works there, have for years, makes it worse.
They could have just wrote it as "You mean..." instead of "what's a singularity?".
 
Shahadan said:
Even if she was the janitor, anyone working on a particle accelerator have heard the word "singularity" because it's the worst case scenario. Not to mention the newspapers and scientifics everywhere would have talked about it before the damn thing is even built.
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How many newspaper talked about the CERN black hole versus how many talked about the CERN singularity?
 
All of this could have been avoided if she just said "A black hole..." in a worried tone instead of "What's a singularity?"
 
carlsojo said:
I don't recall singularities being a topic in any of my freshman classes. Or any of my classes... ever.
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Xemnas89 said:
I didn't learn anything in my high-school freshman science class lol.
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Guessing neither of you are working within science fields. Besides, I'm sure even the janitor at CERN has heard of singularities.

Don't quite understand how so many are surprised about the dialog, it's not like the show's been that good with handling the female characters (wasn't it a few weeks ago in this very thread when the discussion was about how poorly they characterized Iris?).
 
Jesus people, she wasn't asking because she didn't know what a singularity was, she was incredulous and shocked that a singularity was happening to begin with. that's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
 
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