Tabata misled people for months.
Stella has been removed from FFXV; Itamuro writing game; Demo 2 June 9; FFXV not @ E3
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Tabata misled people for months.
QuantumZebra
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So FFXV is basically about an all male cast travelling around in their car fighting monsters and any female characters are seemingly only a minor, disposable element of the story?
Must be a lot of Supernatural fans at Square-Enix
Did he fire Kitase too? The guy is on a roll.
Cloud Strife
Member
Still hope Luna shows off some of those powers from the old trailer.
And you are implying he is still misleading us game-content-wise?
The whole Nomura thing obviously has more than we can know, but it concerns me that they are still selling stuff that won't be like that in the full game. Of course, changes will be made, development stuff, but I mean big things like Stella out
This scene's not gonna happen now, is it...
If they make her just some damsel in distress... ugh.
RIP awesome looking scene
E3 is still the biggest media showcase, but you're right Gamescom is bigger in attendance as it's open to the public. Doesn't mean more media is covering though. Or does it? I don't know. LOL. E3 seems to have a bigger impact when an announcement is made from what I've seen.
They just won't be able to get things ready in time for E3, they said so themselves. First plan was at most there would be a short trailer, but they're forgoing even that now and focusing all their efforts on gamescom to have a strong showing over there.
Now, if they miss gamescom... that'll be something.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
If it really is another Matsuno situation, wouldn't that mean a full clarification on everything that happened wouldn't get out?
That's a localization problem
About a single character's inclusion in the game, and continued reference to her?
RIP awesome looking scene
Should've been a CGI movie.
Acquiescence
Member
That's a good point. In that case, I look forward to seeing FFXVI in 12 days time then.
Yeah, but everything about this game is insane.
MultiJhonny
Banned
I bet FFXVI will come out before FFXV does
True. But at that point it would just kinda be suicide. They honestly should have waited longer to re-reveal, since it was done back in 2013 and we will get it 3 years later most likely
No noctis
I just want to know if he left before or after he presented FFXV at E3
MagnaderAlpha
Member
So my Star Wars analogy wasn't far off from the truth.
It was announced before they even wrote a strong outline of what they wanted from it. Basically, they asked Nomura if he wanted to direct a FF game and told him to whip up something to show the people. On the spot he came up with a simple concept to revolve the trailer around and that's that. There was no real hard story for Versus until years later, and even then, all things considering, they were probably making and changing things as they went along. The 2006 trailer was basically pulled out of Square Enix's ass(done before the game even went into pre-production).
LowParry
Member
Naw. The bet is on if this or TLG comes out first.
DarkLordMalik
Member
TIL: Tabata is the new Toriyama -___-
I mean for some people, Nomura is like a flawless god that never did anything wrong =/
He was the one who wrote the complicated mess of a story for Kingdom Hearts and created vaporware Versus XIII. I love Nomura but the way people have suddenly started to hate Tabata is just plain wrong... and sad.
I mean for some people, Nomura is like a flawless god that never did anything wrong =/
He was the one who wrote the complicated mess of a story for Kingdom Hearts and created vaporware Versus XIII. I love Nomura but the way people have suddenly started to hate Tabata is just plain wrong... and sad.
I doubt Tabata has the power to get him off the project, company head decision, same with Nomura.
xxdoshiyarovexx
Member
MultiJhonny
Banned
At least there is actual information about XV lol Not the maybe cancelled, maybe not.
Not the direct power, no, but he could be the Master of whispers in the higher-ups ears!
gamescon: game cancelled
FFXV is actually a F2P mobile game and you have to pay to use MP
No, he claimed for months that there was nothing to worry about, nothing had changed. Then he proceeded to go on about transparency and listening to fan feedback, etc etc while repeating to fans - namely Versus fans - that things were okay.
This stuff was hidden for months, and it's not just the exclusion of Stella but entire scenes have been removed including the original opening, and they changed Nojima's script and brought in another script writer.
MultiJhonny
Banned
Thank you. So what if they made this change 9 months ago. We know now don't we? Its not like they released the game and was like oh yeah Stella isn't in it anymore, Noctis is the only playable character, and the opening you were expecting has changed. He straight up told us.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Tabata is Reverse Yoshida.
They have in past announced FF games way ahead of time.
At this Square event in 2000 they revealed 10, 11, & 12, and I think revealed that that project that Sakaguchi was working on turned into 9.
Megidolaon
Member
Both Matsuno and Nomura have expressed how stressful leading a mainline FF is. Matsuno outright left Square, like Sakaguchi. Nomura said he'd never direct one ever again and will stick to KH. XIII has a very in depth post mordem about development issues. And looking at the original FFXIV, you have to see how bad things are.
:-(
:-(
So basically starting from scratch. I cannot believe this. It's gonna take another few years now.
DarkLordMalik
Member
So you are claiming that this all happened after the XV E3 reveal (and Nomura's removal), the past couple of months? Because this is a shocker if true.
SamuelSupreme
Banned
So does that mean we won't be getting the Romeo and Juliet angle anymore? I actually really liked the aspect of the game's antagonist being the hero's love interest.
I agree that's silly, but completely changing and rebranding vaporware is wrong in my book. It's not your idea, not your intention, not your expression. It is Nomura's.
I don't doubt Tabata's talent, but why not do his own stuff instead?
Doesn't change the fact that he straight up lied. What's to say the next thing he says on ATR isn't another lie just to appease the fans. He's done it before, he can do it again. It's a trust issue, and what's stopping them from doing what you just described, not having something in the game at release and explaining why it was removed after the fact.
Moral of the story, don't lie, it's a shitty thing to do, and being criticized for it is justified.
Likely because the idea of an all-male party is so atypical for a JRPG, particularly a Final Fantasy when even the last two mainline offline installments had an even split, with the only all-female game being a side-story released as a direct sequel in X-2 (not bothering to count Lightning Returns when a single character =/= a party). It comes across as limiting in respect to party dynamics and individual character perspectives, and it's not like gaming in general is starved for stories focusing exclusively on men. The fact that the designs for the main party are so dull and lacking in variety doesn't help, either.
Not asking for the alternative scenarios that you chose to bring up for whatever reason, either. We have Persona 5 for the former, and SE in their current state have no chance of topping, or even matching, XII for the latter. That said, I would be lying if I said that I found the Pacific Northwest-inspired imagery that the XV demo focused on particularly interesting (same goes for the not-Cuba setting we haven't seen in a while).
MultiJhonny
Banned
But if things weren't working or could have never worked than they needed to be changed.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Because Nomura couldn't.
It happened some time last year.
Which means all speculations will eventually run into the sands unless someone decides to come out of the closet.
Pointing fingers at windmills when nobody step up and talks to the fans and clears thing up is annoying and pointless.
I'm tired of repeating this process again and again.
-The game is being developed by a new team
-Some characters and themes from Versus XIII remain and people will hold on to these things, rightfully so
- People will hate on Nomura and Tabata for the wrong reasons. If someone purposefully misled someone that's not ok.
-People STILL hating on the character design and car road trip which was part of Versus XIII for 9 fucking years are just sad, it's a lost cause to debate with you.
- Gameplay is likely to improve
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- The dragoon from previous trailer is still in the game (b,but no female characturrrzz, right???)
-Stella is dead, I'm devastated like any fan from day one should be, light a candle and let's join hands and mourn.
Crazy how Square released FFVII-VIII-IX-X in such a short time frame, while also making some of the greatest RPGs ever. And now, we're waiting years in between trailers for updates of a game that may or may not have been cancelled. What a ride.
They're not even sure they can make the Leviathan part work. E3 reveal XV will be vastly different from the final product.
I'm reading back my Interview with Tetsuya Nomura.
So Co-director are more director than Nomura.
Ok, forget 2013
Did he keep Luna as a secret. We said Stella, he did not corrected us. Strange because the story has already changed isn't it ?
Did he really bringed Tabata ? Did he knew he was going to be "fired" from the project ?
So Co-director are more director than Nomura.
Ok, forget 2013
Did he keep Luna as a secret. We said Stella, he did not corrected us. Strange because the story has already changed isn't it ?
Did he really bringed Tabata ? Did he knew he was going to be "fired" from the project ?
qualitydisc
Member
IX, X, and XI were announced simultaneously in January 2000. XII wasn't shown publicly until 2003 although Square did start talking about it long beforehand.
Sakaguchi was not the best director ever, but his idea of having two teams doing two mainline FFs at the same time was spot on. Then everything went to shit.
I haven't been misled really. From the very first moment Luna was shown it was obvious that she was Stella's replacement, they just didn't clearly said it until today, but Tabata and the rest avoiding the question made it more than clear than Stella was gone. Also, we didn't really know anything about her. Did Stella even speak¿ I don't think we even heard her talk once. I really don't get everyone's attachment to a character that was barely shown and we got almost no information about.
Also, Luna seems cooler imo.
I've also seen you being really negative about Nomura not being in the project anymore but I think that with him gone, the game actually has a chance to exist. If the project was left on Nomura's hands, no matter what the reason, it'd most likely be cancelled or in a limbo like The Last Guardian
unless that one shows up at E3
I know you have much more info than everyone else here and I respect you a lot as a FF fan and gamer Kagari but your constant negativity towards FFXV seems very unfair to me. We were all skeptical, yes. But now with the demo out and them saying what they're aiming to achieve I'm confident that the game will be very cool and interesting.
DarkLordMalik
Member
What if you were in his position? What if you were offered this project which was long stuck in development hell and be asked to complete it. What would you do?
We know that Tabata wanted to work on Type-1 after Type-0 HD and he has expressed that as well. But from what we can see, he was offered to work on XV and he took that instead. I don't see anything wrong with it TBH.
Keep in mind Nomura also had to work on Kingdom Hearts 3 and both of these games were very important for Square Enix. I am not surprised the CEO decided to remove Nomura and put Tabata incharge. He just wanted to get both projects out at a respectable time since they were quickly becoming a joke.
Don't be surprised when you see the complete The Last Guardian rebooted/retooled into something entirely different. The meltdown will be glorious
xxdoshiyarovexx
Member
I'm not defending the 9 (possibly 11) year dev cycle. But video games are not as simplistic as the ps1/ps2 days anymore when you could get away with a smaller team.
A team of 200-300 individual people have been working on this game everyday since 2013. A lot more work is involved.