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It seems to me that in an area such as volunteer work there must be folks who would be sympathetic to your condition and able to deal with the instability of it. Have you brought it up with any of them?

Hang in there jb.

Not yet but I'm definitely going to. I really need to get out more and feel productive. I appreciate your support, dude.

I had an appointment with my sleep doctor today (I was diagnosed with sleep apnea a few months ago) and he's pleased with my progress as far as compliance with the CPAP machine goes. I've also lost weight (I'm dieting) and my blood pressure is back to normal levels. Energy has been higher so I've also been taking walks at night, which has helped my mood stabilize a bit. Just rewarded myself with a serving of blueberries and I'm pretty happy. :)
 
I think I've been making these appointments for about 5 months or so. They've definitely been helping, but I feel like I should prepare for the point where I need to start handling things on my own. That's the point that I want to get to.

Self-sufficiency is a wonderful goal. I think we'd all like to get there. Don't rush it, though! I've found it's something that can't be "willed" into being.

Not yet but I'm definitely going to. I really need to get out more and feel productive. I appreciate your support, dude.

I had an appointment with my sleep doctor today (I was diagnosed with sleep apnea a few months ago) and he's pleased with my progress as far as compliance with the CPAP machine goes. I've also lost weight (I'm dieting) and my blood pressure is back to normal levels. Energy has been higher so I've also been taking walks at night, which has helped my mood stabilize a bit. Just rewarded myself with a serving of blueberries and I'm pretty happy. :)

That sounds like some wonderful progress! I love nighttime walks, they can be quite centering, almost meditative. The air is cool and the world peaceful (well, depending on where you are, I guess).

Totally unrelated: have you ever considered trying to set up some semi-professional recordings of your compositions? I'd put $20 toward a Kickstarter for an EP. I'm not kidding.
 
That sounds like some wonderful progress! I love nighttime walks, they can be quite centering, almost meditative. The air is cool and the world peaceful (well, depending on where you are, I guess).

Haha! Well, I'm in Seattle so I try to keep the walks to times when it's still reasonably light out (even though my neighborhood is reasonably safe). ;)

Totally unrelated: have you ever considered trying to set up some semi-professional recordings of your compositions? I'd put $20 toward a Kickstarter for an EP. I'm not kidding.

I've never given it serious thought, no, for a few different reasons. 1: I'm never entirely happy with most of my pieces. There's more than a few I'd like to revise. 2: It would cost a bundle of money. 3: I'm not convinced my technique is recording-worthy any longer, at least in that exposed venue.

Even if I Kickstarted it, the audience for the music is very limited and I doubt it would get much attention. I mean, how would I even go about trying to get people interested in that? :p
 
I have not had any personal experience with ECT, but I do know that while effective, it is generally reserved for those who have not responded to the many other forms of treatment. My understanding has been that it is never done without a thorough review and recommendation by a doctor. Do you have a psychiatrist or doctor with which to discuss the options?

Yeah I got a psychiatrist who I can talk to about this the next time I see her. ECT would be in-addition to medication and therapy, but I really just need something to reduce my suicidal ideation, and the negative thinking loops. ECT is supposed to help with this. After getting re-diagnosed with Major Depression W/ Psychotic features, I've been looking for other treatment methods and ECT keeps popping up. I appreciate your response.
 
I have a job interview tomorrow and I'm so stressed and anxious about it that all I want to do is crawl up under my covers and avoid life, which is basically what i've been doing for the past 6 months :

I do have an appointment with my doctor early next week though so hopefully I can get some of my concentration and anxiety issues figured out.


Preparation is everything. Try having a calming ritual such as a breathing exercise.
 
Piaon said:
If they were easy to overcome they wouldn't be your weaknesses. To have weaknesses is human, and to seek help in overcoming them is sensible.

From what you've written it sounds as if your hatred of yourself is a strong factor in what you perceive as weaknesses. Perhaps if it were lessened these things wouldn't be the cataclysmic weaknesses you feel they are. Perhaps your attitude toward yourself is a good place to start working, then?

When it comes to making major mistakes, failing at life, and failing in college. The only person to blame is myself.
 
I had a group interview today at jcpenney. It went bad for me since me and other people did an exercise relating to building blocks based off the design the interviewer showed us. I had to go first looking at the design for 10 seconds, then I had to guide the group into making the design. I did bad because I forgot the design. The other people did better than me in leading the team. Once I finished the interview, I was thinking about the group exercise on how I make things difficult. I was thinking, since we're going to take turns in leading the group. I could've focused one part of the design, then the rest could do the other part when my turn of leading was over. I thought of this after the interview. I hate when I over complicate things. I don't think I'm going to get this job.
 
One really quick question, how do you coperate with the struggle of walk out of bed in the morning? I need very few hours of sleep to be "operative" but too often I struggle to just bring myself out of the bed. If I have an exam or something that I really need to do (medical appointments)I wake up with not problem, but otherwise I really struggle.
I can't find a method to force me do just go out of bed, it is a really unpleasant feeling and It makes me feeling so worthless because I literally loose so much time in bed.
I was depressed years ago when I was really young and recently my health problems have triggered it but I manage with psycoteraphy and some exercises but this is the one thing that I can not overcome, it is really a simple thing but I don't know why-
I really want to solve this, because I think that maybe some exercise in the morning will do good for me to unload stress or study, but it is like I go to bed being one person and I wake up with literally no willpower.
I feel so stupid

Someone has the same problem? or an advice?
 
Two years ago, I had university entrance exams for the second time (I failed the first time) and I entered to a university. My dad wanted to take me to a driving school, and I agreed to take lessons for the driver's licence.

That was wrong, beacause I didn't want to do anything during the summer after the exams. I don't know why I said yes. I failed the theory test, because I didn't study the whole theory book. I didn't try again. I will try this summer again. The problem is, I started to study the theory book 20 minutes ago and I got nervous and angry.

I don't know why I feel like that, the theory book is very easy and quick to study, I can control my anxiety during the university exams (not every time, but most of the times), but I feel like that and I can't continue to study it. Maybe I feel angry because I know other people who have a driver's licence and I don't and I feel nervous because I feel that I will fail again maybe. What should I do?
 
Had bouts of depression on and off for 6 years since I was 18, but this go around is by far the worst. I've been having manic episodes which has never happened to me before, I think because there's been something plaguing my mind that I've found impossible to get out of my head. I won't burden you lot with the exact details but it's something messed up that has taken over my idle thoughts.

I can't discount that I'm a stereotypical neet with no prospects, a dwindling social circle and an almost negligible involvement with the opposite sex throughout my life so far. So before I throw in the towel for good, I'm going to make a sustained attempt to sort all of these out and then see how I feel once I've made some improvements. I don't have many obligations in life life but I feel l owe it to my mother who's always had faith in me no matter how much of a fuck up I've been. The problem I have with that though is that even when I've been busy and active these last few weeks and momentarily forget these feelings they've always fucking came back so far. I will catch myself unawares and then it all shoots into my head like some kind of reverse Alzheimer's

Right now I feel like I'm royally screwed this time and don't know how this will ever change unless one of 3 things happens:

I completely change my lifestyle to the point where I have 0 time for these thoughts to seep back into my conscious

2 I experience some kind of long term memory loss

3 I end it all for good.
 
I've never given it serious thought, no, for a few different reasons. 1: I'm never entirely happy with most of my pieces. There's more than a few I'd like to revise. 2: It would cost a bundle of money. 3: I'm not convinced my technique is recording-worthy any longer, at least in that exposed venue.

Even if I Kickstarted it, the audience for the music is very limited and I doubt it would get much attention. I mean, how would I even go about trying to get people interested in that? :p

I'm not sure, but there's a music section on the website with successful projects so I suppose it must be possible. Either way it's sort of fun to think about it. It occurred to me because as I was watching your videos it struck me how effectively they'd sold me on wanting to hear more recordings - more effectively than most videos on Kickstarter sell me on whatever they're trying to pitch! Like, I'm way more interested in your "product" than the things other companies spend millions trying to sell me :D

I'm quite curious - what sorts of revisions do you want to make to your pieces? Expansion? Edits? Tinkering here and there? More Picardy Thirds? (music joke ehhhhhhhhhhh)

Yeah I got a psychiatrist who I can talk to about this the next time I see her. ECT would be in-addition to medication and therapy, but I really just need something to reduce my suicidal ideation, and the negative thinking loops. ECT is supposed to help with this. After getting re-diagnosed with Major Depression W/ Psychotic features, I've been looking for other treatment methods and ECT keeps popping up. I appreciate your response.

Yes, discussing it with your psychiatrist is the right way to go. I'm interested to see how he or she will respond - I do hope you keep us posted, if you feel comfortable doing so. Suicidal ideation is no fun, and I sincerely hope you can find relief from your suffering.

When it comes to making major mistakes, failing at life, and failing in college. The only person to blame is myself.

There's a big difference between understanding your shortcomings and slaughtering your own self worth at the altar of your mistakes. You have made mistakes, sure. They do not mean you have failed at life. Take a deep breath for a moment. Can you see the big leap you've made between seeing your difficulties and deciding that they are evidence of your abject failure?

I think it's important that you start working on trying to avoid taking that leap. That leap is a killer. It makes everything impossible unless you're perfect. And none of us will ever be perfect.

I had a group interview today at jcpenney. It went bad for me since me and other people did an exercise relating to building blocks based off the design the interviewer showed us. I had to go first looking at the design for 10 seconds, then I had to guide the group into making the design. I did bad because I forgot the design. The other people did better than me in leading the team. Once I finished the interview, I was thinking about the group exercise on how I make things difficult. I was thinking, since we're going to take turns in leading the group. I could've focused one part of the design, then the rest could do the other part when my turn of leading was over. I thought of this after the interview. I hate when I over complicate things. I don't think I'm going to get this job.

In this circumstance, for instance, you slightly bungled a group interview. It does not mean you are a failure. It does not mean that you are unhirable. It does not mean that you will never get a job, never be successful, or never be happy. It means that you slightly bungled a group interview. The rest of the meanings are the kind that we pile on ourselves.

Not that I think it's easy to simply stop thinking that way. Far from it. You are not a failure for not being able to just WILL your thoughts of failure to stop. Nobody can control their emotions. It doesn't work.

It is something that can be worked on, though. I'm sorry if you've already mentioned it and I've missed it, but have you considered seeing a therapist?

I've applied to disability support. Have an interview/evaluation soon. Nervous.

Best of luck, Chewie!

One really quick question, how do you coperate with the struggle of walk out of bed in the morning?
Someone has the same problem? or an advice?

Just for clarification: do you have trouble waking up on days you have no morning obligation, or do you have trouble getting out of bed once you're already awake?

And you don't have as much trouble when you do have somewhere to be, right?

I don't know why I feel like that, the theory book is very easy and quick to study, I can control my anxiety during the university exams (not every time, but most of the times), but I feel like that and I can't continue to study it. Maybe I feel angry because I know other people who have a driver's licence and I don't and I feel nervous because I feel that I will fail again maybe. What should I do?

Stay aware of those feelings of anger and vulnerability. Anger, in my experience, is a reaction to the sensation of vulnerability.

Start studying. There is no trick, just jump in the cold water. Commit to doing it for a short amount of time, say, 6 minutes. Chances are as that unknown challenge becomes more of a known quantity and you become more familiar with it it will slowly become less threatening.

Once the 6 minutes are up perhaps you can commit to another 6 minutes and they will be slightly less uncomfortable than the first 6. And so on.

A lot of it comes down to developing ways to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. There are a lot of uncomfortable things in life we cannot shut out or avoid.

Sorry if that's not the magic fix you were looking for. I hope it offers some perspective and, if not, I hope you can let me know why!

Right now I feel like I'm royally screwed this time and don't know how this will ever change unless one of 3 things happens:

I completely change my lifestyle to the point where I have 0 time for these thoughts to seep back into my conscious

2 I experience some kind of long term memory loss

3 I end it all for good.

Have you considered seeking mental health treatment?

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I'm starting to seriously question whether or not I should stick with my therapist.

I started seeing him last fall, for depression, social anxiety, never been on a date or been in a relationship etc, overcome with regret from my past, etc. Also been taking zoloft. I'm 33. He was the first and only psychologist I tried- I didn't really know what I was looking for and he seemed qualified and nice enough.

I get the feeling my appointments with him don't go "as well" as a therapy appointment should. I've always had a difficult time tapping into and verbally communicating how I'm feeling, particularly when it comes to deeply personal and difficult issues, and it results in appointments where there are frequent long pauses of silence on my part, a lot of talking on his part to keep the conversation going, and often leaving feeling like I didn't really get what I wanted off my chest. I have a lot of shit from my past I'm really hung up on and we've spent what seems like a fifth of my total time with him talking about it.

He also schedules our appointments weeks apart. On average I see him about once a month. At first I wondered if it was just a scheduling issue, which may have been part of it, but he also even says things like once I start getting involved in things like meeting people, job interviews, regular social activities, anything that causes me great anxiety, we should start meeting more frequently so we can discuss how they make me feel and how I deal with them.

I feel like he's acting as a motivation speaker more than anything, giving me props for my little "victories" and trying to motivate me with encouraging words. For the most part that's all the therapy consists of, and while it's nice, I've felt for a long time like I need much more intensive therapy than that. Sometimes I wonder if he just doesn't know what to do with me, and if I should've looked for a different kind of therapist.

Is this normal? Hell is seeing a psychologist just once a month normal? Should I be breaking it off and looking for a different kind of therapist? I mean, I feel better than I did when I started my treatment- less anxiety over little things, depression is stabilized a bit- but I wonder if that's just the meds working.

Then again maybe I just suck at therapy. Back in college when I turned 20 I started seeing a school therapist, one of those grad student therapists, for a semester and it was a complete and utter waste of time, for the same reasons but much worse. Another case of feeling like he had no clue what to do with me.
 
Following up from my posts on social anxiety and visiting the doctor:

She was really nice, put me straight away on 50mg Sertraline which I've been taking every morning for the last five days. She said I wouldn't feel the psychological effects for about 1.5-2 weeks but in the mean time I would likely feel some unpleasant side effects.

Had diarrhoea two days ago, and a nasty migraine last night, so they're definitely working through my system.

Woke up with horrible anxiety this morning for no real reason so yeah, not feeling the positives yet.
 
So I have been on Lexapro for 33 days now and while I was feeling pretty good for the 3rd and 4th week, I feel I am taking a nose dive. The last 3 days have been pretty difficult, no panic attacks but I can feel them coming on. Is this a normal thing to happen after a couple of weeks?
 
Have hated going over bridges for ages anytime I would step foot on one , feel dizzy, panic and want to run away, yesterday I thought fuck it, and managed to walk over london bridge and tower bridge.. felt good, I still ran a bit and didn't stop enough to take it all in, but I will keep doing it until I feel calmer, they are right near where I work so want to get enough of them so I can enjoy a nice walk, but seriously I have avoided it for ages, yesterday I just went for it.. I am so proud of myself :)
 
It's been a while since I've posted, so I figured I should post an update.
Everything has still just been excellent for the past few weeks. Escitalopram/Lexapro is just a miracle drug for me. Absolutely life-changing.
Obviously not every single day has been a great day - that would be terribly unrealistic to expect - but even my not-as-good days are still completely bearable and honestly still feel like pretty good days relative to how my average days used to be.
And all of my not-as-good days all have reasons why they're not as good. Which is so nice. I'm so used to just having awful days for no reason at all. Having a not-as-good day (I'm referring to them as "not-as-good" rather than "bad" because I'm used to "bad days" being reeeeally miserable days which most of you guys are pretty familiar with; I haven't had any of those kinds of days for the past few weeks, only days that aren't as good as good/great days) and knowing exactly why I'm not having a great day is so much easier than having no idea why I'm miserable, because I know how to fix whatever is causing it or how long I have to wait out whatever is causing it, if that makes sense.
But enough talk of those kinds of days, because 90% of my days for the past few weeks have been good/great days. It's really incredible.

So I have been on Lexapro for 33 days now and while I was feeling pretty good for the 3rd and 4th week, I feel I am taking a nose dive. The last 3 days have been pretty difficult, no panic attacks but I can feel them coming on. Is this a normal thing to happen after a couple of weeks?

Obviously I can't say anything definitively, but I would say it's more likely that you feeling good for the 3rd and 4th week was more placebo or external or something other than the medication kicking in. It tends to take 4 weeks at minimum for the meds to kick in and up to 8 weeks. It took about 6-7 weeks for mine to kick in.
Either way, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just stick with it and see where things go. Best of luck! Keep us updated.
 
I'm not sure, but there's a music section on the website with successful projects so I suppose it must be possible. Either way it's sort of fun to think about it. It occurred to me because as I was watching your videos it struck me how effectively they'd sold me on wanting to hear more recordings - more effectively than most videos on Kickstarter sell me on whatever they're trying to pitch! Like, I'm way more interested in your "product" than the things other companies spend millions trying to sell me :D

You're very kind. Thank you. :)

I'm quite curious - what sorts of revisions do you want to make to your pieces? Expansion? Edits? Tinkering here and there? More Picardy Thirds? (music joke ehhhhhhhhhhh)

It depends on the piece. For instance, I wrote "Shattered Mind" in the depths of despair and sometimes, I think the second section could use a rewrite but then I conclude that the piece is very much a product of its time and needs to be left alone. There's a prelude ("End of Hope") which was sorta an experiment and while I like sections of it, I don't feel it holds up well. That would need a complete rewrite.

I contemplate rewriting the reprise of the main theme in "Prelude for Peace" but then I wonder if it's just not sounding the way it does in my head because I'm not performing it at the highest level. Finally, "Yearning" is pretty much the only piece that I'd leave alone, perhaps because it went through a four-month composition process, unlike the others. Hard to say. Basically, like any artist, I'm learning as I go along and the pieces I write reflect that.
 
Somehow, while trying to help by taking out a lot of recycling, I managed to be referred to as "your son, the asshole" by one parent to another. Previously, I'd tried to help by loading the dishwasher. I accidentally put a shot glass containing earrings in, but who leaves earrings on a counter in a shot glass?

If I don't help, I'm a waste of space, and if I do, then I'm an asshole. This is fun.

I also moved a bar of soap from a dish to the shower, then got screamed at. But, to their benefit, I'd been asked not to before.
 
Also, I'm going to make a call on Monday and see what the mental health services are in my area for therapy. I've just become so self-sabotaging. To a certain extent, I've always struggled with my emotions but after I got sick, it became overwhelming. Year after year of extreme pain, bedridden days and frequent suicidal thoughts have left me a mess. I'm not sure if I can be fixed but it's clear that doing nothing is just hurting me more and more.
 
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Just for clarification: do you have trouble waking up on days you have no morning obligation, or do you have trouble getting out of bed once you're already awake?

And you don't have as much trouble when you do have somewhere to be, right?

I have some problem with my levels of melatonin but I take it with external medication (6mg) but I don't think that is the real problem, so I have no problem with waking up itself.
It's like some sort of anxiety for the beginning of the day or I lack the will to leave the bed something like that. I knew it is there but I don't know how to overcome this.
When I was really depressed I've stayed in bed like all day etc but now it is different.
If I have something really important I force myself, but that occurs rarely.
 
Well, just got the results back from my third and final blood test.
It looks like everything (testosterone, hormones) is completely normal! So that's good.
 
My thoughts are getting so unbearably convoluted I'm worried that I'm actually degenerating on a neurological level. It's been over 5 years since I've been capable of learning or anything intellectual, and that doesn't coincide with me feeling suicidal, which has been going on for as long as I can remember. I honestly have major difficulty writing this post and have no idea whether the end result is even anything remotely comprehensible. That recent thread on chemical castration got me thinking and I brought it up with my therapist as a thing that could help me concentrate, and maybe reveal some hidden motivation to live under all the frustration. He opposed, but I have never told him about my numerous paraphilias that might be relevant. There's so much I can't open up about so I'm stuck with treatment for depression but depression is like the last thing I have. I'm wasting time and resources of all. My mood and perceived productivity is like a sine wave. It never reaches a breakthrough in quality of life at its highest, so negative thoughts like "what have you really achieved? know your place you deluded piece of shit" start to kick in and bring it down. At its lowest it never reaches the point of suicide either, I just go in a "feeling sorry isn't any help" opportunist mode and start "working" on ridiculously unsustainable get-rich-quick schemes. The wave is permanently stuck in a region of mediocrity. I keep telling myself that I'm some kind of genius and that I just can't channel it properly in my current state. It's a delusion that I'm actively fighting, but my parents and the few "friends" I have are constantly trying to perpetuate it without realizing what kind of damage it is doing to me. I'm basically a talentless med school dropout who didn't deserve such incredible opportunity in the first place. It pains me how "close" (but so far) I was to success and it's all for nothing. I'm afraid of being energetic knowing that all of my energy goes to waste anyway. My therapist suggested that the punishing thought patterns I have are actually damaging but they are still less damaging than not being punished for doing bad in everything. Only solution would be to just be better but that ship has sailed. I'm at quarter age, this is where the great filtering happens. Maybe I'm just finally facing the consequences of being me, a failed genetic dice roll? No ones going to hold my hand through my entire life. I'm so very stuck and hopeless.
 
I'm starting to seriously question whether or not I should stick with my therapist.

It's hard to say what's normal as therapy is an intensely personal experience that is built around the relationship between therapist and patient. It's hard to know whether that relationship would be different, better, worse, whatnot, with a different psychologist. Ideally a therapist will make you somewhat comfortable talking about difficult things, but there are many topics that are going to be uncomfortable no matter who you're talking to because, well, they're difficult subjects!

The only thing that strikes me as out of the ordinary is only meeting once a month - in my experience therapists have wanted to meet at least once every two weeks, usually once a week, at least for a while as they get to know you. It just seems that trying to cover an entire month in each appointment would be a huge challenge!

I would encourage you to bring up all of these concerns with your psychologist directly. Not just sparse scheduling - I'd encourage you to bring up (politely, of course) your reservations about your meetings, the silent time, et cetera with him and see what he has to say about it. Usually if I'm anxious about bringing up concerns with my therapist I'll write them out on a piece of paper ahead of time so I MAKE SURE I don't forget anything. I've always figured that it is the therapist's job to be patient with me and help give me faith in my own recovery so I don't feel so bad pushing them for answers now and then about where we are, the progress we're making, and where we're headed. I've gotten some very valuable insight out of those experiences.

I don't think it's possible to be "bad at therapy," it's just a matter of finding someone whose style gels with you.

Do you know - does he do Cognitive Behavioral Therapy? Or something else?

Following up from my posts on social anxiety and visiting the doctor:

She was really nice, put me straight away on 50mg Sertraline which I've been taking every morning for the last five days. She said I wouldn't feel the psychological effects for about 1.5-2 weeks but in the mean time I would likely feel some unpleasant side effects.

Had diarrhoea two days ago, and a nasty migraine last night, so they're definitely working through my system.

Woke up with horrible anxiety this morning for no real reason so yeah, not feeling the positives yet.

That sounds like a promising experience! For what it's worth, I know many people for whom Setraline has done good things. Yes, the initial experiences with a new medication can be difficult, but hopefully the side effects will tail off in the forthcoming days and weeks and you'll begin to see some good effects. Definitely mention the symptoms at your next appointment, though, just so your doctor is aware.

I hope you keep us posted! :)

So I have been on Lexapro for 33 days now and while I was feeling pretty good for the 3rd and 4th week, I feel I am taking a nose dive. The last 3 days have been pretty difficult, no panic attacks but I can feel them coming on. Is this a normal thing to happen after a couple of weeks?

Can you identify any reasons why things have taken a nose dive? Did something happen? Is there something you're ruminating on or are upset about? Did it truly happen randomly, out of the blue?

I'm sorry for your tough experience. Hang in there, SevenDevils.

Have hated going over bridges for ages anytime I would step foot on one , feel dizzy, panic and want to run away, yesterday I thought fuck it, and managed to walk over london bridge and tower bridge.. felt good, I still ran a bit and didn't stop enough to take it all in, but I will keep doing it until I feel calmer, they are right near where I work so want to get enough of them so I can enjoy a nice walk, but seriously I have avoided it for ages, yesterday I just went for it.. I am so proud of myself :)

That sounds like a fantastic victory!! :)
What changed yesterday to give you that tremendous courage?
I do hope you keep us posted as you continue to challenge yourself.

It's been a while since I've posted, so I figured I should post an update.
Wonderful to hear that things are continuing to go well, Kipp.

It's also quite valuable that you're able to understand that there will still be good days and bad days while on medication. For a long time I expected my medication to just, well, take all of my problems away and make them non-issues. This was, of course, unrealistic, but I almost didn't even realize that's what I expected! The medication is there to help you feel more yourself, which has ups and downs.

I contemplate rewriting the reprise of the main theme in "Prelude for Peace" but then I wonder if it's just not sounding the way it does in my head because I'm not performing it at the highest level. Finally, "Yearning" is pretty much the only piece that I'd leave alone, perhaps because it went through a four-month composition process, unlike the others. Hard to say. Basically, like any artist, I'm learning as I go along and the pieces I write reflect that.

Those all sound sensible, though I do wonder - as an artist, how do you resist the urge to tinker endlessly? How do you know something is "done"? Or is art never truly done and it's just a matter of being at peace with wherever it ended up?

Also, I'm going to make a call on Monday and see what the mental health services are in my area for therapy. I've just become so self-sabotaging. To a certain extent, I've always struggled with my emotions but after I got sick, it became overwhelming. Year after year of extreme pain, bedridden days and frequent suicidal thoughts have left me a mess. I'm not sure if I can be fixed but it's clear that doing nothing is just hurting me more and more.

How'd it go? I think you're right - there's no harm in looking to see what resources are available. I really hope you're able to find some relief, jb.

Somehow, while trying to help by taking out a lot of recycling, I managed to be referred to as "your son, the asshole" by one parent to another. Previously, I'd tried to help by loading the dishwasher. I accidentally put a shot glass containing earrings in, but who leaves earrings on a counter in a shot glass?

If I don't help, I'm a waste of space, and if I do, then I'm an asshole. This is fun.

I also moved a bar of soap from a dish to the shower, then got screamed at. But, to their benefit, I'd been asked not to before.

That sounds like a really tough circumstance, Chewie. Were you able to keep a level head? Sometimes that's the best you can try for in difficult interpersonal situations. Too often we respond to someone else being unreasonable by being unreasonable ourselves ... which of course only escalates the situation and the cycle goes on and on!
I hope things have smoothed over a bit with the medication changes.

I have some problem with my levels of melatonin but I take it with external medication (6mg) but I don't think that is the real problem, so I have no problem with waking up itself.
It's like some sort of anxiety for the beginning of the day or I lack the will to leave the bed something like that. I knew it is there but I don't know how to overcome this.
When I was really depressed I've stayed in bed like all day etc but now it is different.
If I have something really important I force myself, but that occurs rarely.

Well, Lurra, it's difficult to say exactly how to fix it without exploring the circumstances of the anxiety that's keeping you in bed.

You can, of course, try creating incentives for getting out of bed: I put all of my things, such as my outfit and backpack, together the night before so there are as few obstacles as possible to me getting going in the morning. I used to place all of my stuff by a second, loud alarm clock across the room. I set it 10 minutes after my phone alarm, so within 10 minutes I'd have to get out of bed to turn it off or it'd scare the hell out of me (it was so loud!). Once I was standing there, in front of it, with my stuff all ready to go at my feet I left myself no excuse to not get going.

You mention that depression kept you in bed in the past. How is this anxiety different?

My thoughts are getting so unbearably convoluted I'm worried that I'm actually degenerating on a neurological level. It's been over 5 years since I've been capable of learning or anything intellectual, and that doesn't coincide with me feeling suicidal, which has been going on for as long as I can remember. I honestly have major difficulty writing this post and have no idea whether the end result is even anything remotely comprehensible. That recent thread on chemical castration got me thinking and I brought it up with my therapist as a thing that could help me concentrate, and maybe reveal some hidden motivation to live under all the frustration. He opposed, but I have never told him about my numerous paraphilias that might be relevant. There's so much I can't open up about so I'm stuck with treatment for depression but depression is like the last thing I have. I'm wasting time and resources of all. My mood and perceived productivity is like a sine wave. It never reaches a breakthrough in quality of life at its highest, so negative thoughts like "what have you really achieved? know your place you deluded piece of shit" start to kick in and bring it down. At its lowest it never reaches the point of suicide either, I just go in a "feeling sorry isn't any help" opportunist mode and start "working" on ridiculously unsustainable get-rich-quick schemes. The wave is permanently stuck in a region of mediocrity. I keep telling myself that I'm some kind of genius and that I just can't channel it properly in my current state. It's a delusion that I'm actively fighting, but my parents and the few "friends" I have are constantly trying to perpetuate it without realizing what kind of damage it is doing to me. I'm basically a talentless med school dropout who didn't deserve such incredible opportunity in the first place. It pains me how "close" (but so far) I was to success and it's all for nothing. I'm afraid of being energetic knowing that all of my energy goes to waste anyway. My therapist suggested that the punishing thought patterns I have are actually damaging but they are still less damaging than not being punished for doing bad in everything. Only solution would be to just be better but that ship has sailed. I'm at quarter age, this is where the great filtering happens. Maybe I'm just finally facing the consequences of being me, a failed genetic dice roll? No ones going to hold my hand through my entire life. I'm so very stuck and hopeless.

First of all, your post is quite comprehensible. Thank you for joining us and thank you for sharing, Cizeta-Moroder.

Uncomfortable as it may be, I think it's important for you to bring all of these things up with your therapist (your paraphilias, your feelings of being stuck and hopeless, and so on). There is no secret easy way around having to go through some uncomfortable talks with therapists that I've found - at some point you're going to have to take the dive into the cold water and just say what's going on. Without a more complete report of what's going on with your emotions a therapist will not be able to give you a more complete response and treatment. If you're very, very uncomfortable and scared you won't end up saying what you need to, you can try writing it out - I have done this several times when I'm very uncomfortable with what I need to say and have found it quite helpful. Can you plan on discussing these things at your next meeting?

In the meantime, it sounds as though you're giving yourself a very hard time. Success is not a binary, or a black-and-white win-state that one achieves or fails at. It can be defined in millions of ways and that definition is always changing. Furthermore, the age you refer to yourself being is far, far from any sort of expiration date for when "success" - or more importantly, contentment, meaningful living, and personal growth - are achievable.

I'm sorry I don't have some grand answer for you. I wish I did. In the meantime I hope you keep us posted and I hope your days are at least bearable.

<3 to all
 
I did keep a level head, and didn't really say anything. Just let him blow up then go to bed.

As for medication: I'm having trouble sleeping without Saphris now, and when I take it I feel odd at times. I'm going to try sleeping without it tonight.

Thanks for the reply, as always.
 
I feel like shit. I keep getting really depressed. I'm taking my ADHD medicine, it's not getting any better. I don't feel confident applying for jobs at all and feel absolutely worthless. This ADHD completely ruined my life and continues to do so. I'm never going to be anything.
 
I've been lurking this thread for awhile now. Thought I'd try posting.

A few weeks ago I went to the hospital to try to get help. I told them I was suicidal. I was completely out of my head. I was freaking out and just didn't know what to do and I thought they could help. It was a horrible experience. They set me up with a horrible nurse. Her english was terrible. I live in NC. I would have liked to have hoped that someone responsible for ER treatment would have been required to speak coherent english. They wouldn't tell me what they were doing or going to do to me. I left before trying to talk to a psychologist. They made me feel very uncomfortable. I was scared to death. I don't think I'll ever go back to that hospital if I ever need help again.

The day after the hospital I tried calling therapists in the area. One answered but he told me to call back another day so I hung up on him. It was Memorial day and no one else answered at the other places I called. I just gave up.

Didn't do anything that week. Couldn't eat. Had problems sleeping.

I told my dad about going to the hospital and he offered to make some appointment somewhere. I told him I'd do it myself.

I don't know what to do. I keep thinking about making an appointment with my gp to see what he says. Should I skip the gp and just find a therapist or what?

Its been two weeks and anxiety has gotten the better of me every day. I haven't called. I'm hesitant to even bother trying to get help because I'm pretty sure no one can convince me I have any reason to get out of bed anymore.

Oh yeah..ER bill came today. $238 for absolutely nothing. (No tests, no talking to anyone.) I feel guilty about having my dad pay for it. So thats great...
 
Those all sound sensible, though I do wonder - as an artist, how do you resist the urge to tinker endlessly? How do you know something is "done"? Or is art never truly done and it's just a matter of being at peace with wherever it ended up?

At a certain point, you have to be able to let go, accept you've done the best work you could at the time. Most music doesn't end up getting revised because the composer would rather move on to new projects but if they do, the challenge is in making the changes sound seamless, like they were actually written that way from the very beginning.

How'd it go? I think you're right - there's no harm in looking to see what resources are available. I really hope you're able to find some relief, jb.

They're trying to set me up with someone. But I heard that last year so this time, I'm going to be on top of them more. The curse of Medicaid. Any insight you have to offer on the joys of therapy would be appreciated. I mean, it can't be harder than Dark Souls, right? ;)

That is true, but he is not on the coast where they say that.

Neither are you.

I like to think that some sayings are universal. Like "hella."
 
Can you identify any reasons why things have taken a nose dive? Did something happen? Is there something you're ruminating on or are upset about? Did it truly happen randomly, out of the blue?

I'm sorry for your tough experience. Hang in there, SevenDevils.

A lot of it spawns when I'm at work and spills over when I'm home. Nothing that sticks out as a trigger, I just feel overwhelmed and out of sorts. I have been with the company since 2000 and was promoted to assistant manager in 08 so I am familiar with my job. I feel I have gone down so far it's hard to get back to where I was before. Certain times I feel like banging my head against the wall out of frustration and while I don't have suicidal thoughts, I feel if I was hit by a car I wouldn't care.
 
I've been lurking this thread for awhile now. Thought I'd try posting.

A few weeks ago I went to the hospital to try to get help. I told them I was suicidal. I was completely out of my head. I was freaking out and just didn't know what to do and I thought they could help. It was a horrible experience. They set me up with a horrible nurse. Her english was terrible. I live in NC. I would have liked to have hoped that someone responsible for ER treatment would have been required to speak coherent english. They wouldn't tell me what they were doing or going to do to me. I left before trying to talk to a psychologist. They made me feel very uncomfortable. I was scared to death. I don't think I'll ever go back to that hospital if I ever need help again.

The day after the hospital I tried calling therapists in the area. One answered but he told me to call back another day so I hung up on him. It was Memorial day and no one else answered at the other places I called. I just gave up.

Didn't do anything that week. Couldn't eat. Had problems sleeping.

I told my dad about going to the hospital and he offered to make some appointment somewhere. I told him I'd do it myself.

I don't know what to do. I keep thinking about making an appointment with my gp to see what he says. Should I skip the gp and just find a therapist or what?

Its been two weeks and anxiety has gotten the better of me every day. I haven't called. I'm hesitant to even bother trying to get help because I'm pretty sure no one can convince me I have any reason to get out of bed anymore.

Oh yeah..ER bill came today. $238 for absolutely nothing. (No tests, no talking to anyone.) I feel guilty about having my dad pay for it. So thats great...

Definitely go see your physician. They'll either prescribe you an anti-anxiety or, if it's serious enough, a combination of medicinal and therapeutic treatments. The ER will be useless in your situation, unfortunately. I'm sorry for the cost of a worthless visit, but know that there are recourses for you.

On a side note, what area of NC are you? I'm eastern NC.
 
I can't believe past me thought having insomnia would be great because I'd be able to game all day and all night, or catch up on TV shows when I couldn't sleep.

It's really not that enjoyable
 
Man, I'm having some crazy anxiety right now...
I think I might get fired from this job I hate. Really the only negative aspect of me getting fired from this job would be the fact that it would be humiliating and crush my self-esteem. Every other aspect really isn't a big deal at all. But the mental aspect of it is really worrying me.
Basically what happened is one of my good friends quit yesterday, so we chatted on Skype (everyone talks on Skype since everyone works remotely) about how awful the job was and how great it was that she quit and I wish I could quit too and all that stuff. Aaaand then my boss or my boss's husband took over the Skype account. They may or may not have read the conversations.
Now I'm reading tons of subtext into everything my boss tells me over Skype and I'm kind of freaking out. This is driving me nuts.

Like, I'm not the kind of person who gets fired...
I guess one of the valuable lessons I would learn from this if I get fired is that even though I'm a good worker, I can't just power through a job that I hate and still do a good job. I thought I could, but I can't, so that's a good thing to know.

I'm also really, really, really worried about having a lot of free time again if I do get fired.
Luckily one of the reasons it wouldn't be a huge deal is because it looks like I've got a really good chance at getting this job as a manager at a FroYo place starting in July, so that free time shouldn't last too long, but still...

I'm not OK.

You're a good guy, FIsh. Hang in there. Feel free to PM me if you'd like.
 
I can't believe past me thought having insomnia would be great because I'd be able to game all day and all night, or catch up on TV shows when I couldn't sleep.

It's really not that enjoyable
I used to be in that exact same mindset. Stay up all night and play videogames? Awesome! Except it's really, really not. It's draining, both mentally and emotionally. I can't recall the last time I had a proper nights sleep.
 
Ah, dammit... I'm in a really bad place right now. For the first time in almost a month.
The silver lining is that there's a legitimate reason for feeling like this, but that doesn't brighten things too much.
 
Ah, dammit... I'm in a really bad place right now. For the first time in almost a month.
The silver lining is that there's a legitimate reason for feeling like this, but that doesn't brighten things too much.

Have a cup of tea. Apparently it's a good way to relieve stress. :)

Spoke to someone who lost their grandfather recently. Trying to help them with their workload but my own was huge especially last night.

Life really is too short sometimes.
 
I'm in an office with no access to tea, but that would be very nice right about now. Thanks for the suggestion anyways.

Can you leave for a cafe?

Speak to HR. Tell them studies show having on site access to tea and coffee improves morale and more importantly to the company's bottom line - productivity.
Far more than it costs them. Unless of course they physically restrain you from leaving your work place for tea or lunch break of course.
 
Can you leave for a cafe?

Speak to HR. Tell them studies show having on site access to tea and coffee improves morale and more importantly to the company's bottom line - productivity.
Far more than it costs them. Unless of course they physically restrain you from leaving your work place for tea or lunch break of course.

I'm going on my lunch break in 30 minutes which should help.
 
I guess I got the job at jcpenney since I have an orientation tomorrow. Seriously, I did horrible on that interview and I managed to get the job. I should be happy but for some reason I'm not. It's as if I don't want to work at all. I've mentioned this before that I've hated working at retail. But I tell myself that a job is a job. I just don't know why I feel concerned? I don't mind communicating, I just don't like getting to know customers just to make sales. There are things I can't do like answering customers questions since I don't know the answers to their questions and I don't want to give them wrong answers. I hate macy's and never want to work there ever again. Lets see how jcpenney is, and hope their training is effective. I don't plan on working there for very long when I come back to school. Even if I have time to work after school, I'm not going to have time to work on homework or studying for exams. Will see how this job goes. Expect me to post here a lot based off my frustration with customers.
 
I used to be in that exact same mindset. Stay up all night and play videogames? Awesome! Except it's really, really not. It's draining, both mentally and emotionally. I can't recall the last time I had a proper nights sleep.

Yeah, tell me about it. Sorry to hear about your issues as well. I know how it feels.

I ended up taking a Saphris after being up for 21 hours. It knocked me out within about half an hour, and I slept for 14 hours.
 
I guess I got the job at jcpenney since I have an orientation tomorrow. Seriously, I did horrible on that interview and I managed to get the job. I should be happy but for some reason I'm not. It's as if I don't want to work at all. I've mentioned this before that I've hated working at retail. But I tell myself that a job is a job. I just don't know why I feel concerned? I don't mind communicating, I just don't like getting to know customers just to make sales. There are things I can't do like answering customers questions since I don't know the answers to their questions and I don't want to give them wrong answers. I hate macy's and never want to work there ever again. Lets see how jcpenney is, and hope their training is effective. I don't plan on working there for very long when I come back to school. Even if I have time to work after school, I'm not going to have time to work on homework or studying for exams. Will see how this job goes. Expect me to post here a lot based off my frustration with customers.

Have you tried rearranging your work availability for the weekend shift? If you explain your current circumstance, I'm sure they would be happy to make things a bit more flexible for you.

As for me, my contract had recently finished, but I'm not looking forward to being lonely again. I'm at work updating my resume/portfolio, but it's hard to stay motivated & focused when I want some company.
 
I'm contemplating not taking any pills once I get off of the Cymbalta. I want to see what my baseline is, and not feel weird effects.

That is, if I'll be able to sleep normally.
 
Piano, it was a combination of many things, I simply had a fuck it i'm going to do it mindset, I relied on other experiences I did (walking over a freeway bridge in Orlando, the Ben Franklin Bridge in Philly, that was by car) I did these so many times that when I got back to the UK I thought to myself I won't go back I will do it then I decided to go for it and felt so proud, to anyone who doesn't have it , they will just go so what a few bridges, but for me it is overcoming my fears and myself.. I will keep it up and keep on progressing.
 
First of all, your post is quite comprehensible. Thank you for joining us and thank you for sharing, Cizeta-Moroder.
Uncomfortable as it may be, I think it's important for you to bring all of these things up with your therapist (your paraphilias, your feelings of being stuck and hopeless, and so on). There is no secret easy way around having to go through some uncomfortable talks with therapists that I've found - at some point you're going to have to take the dive into the cold water and just say what's going on. Without a more complete report of what's going on with your emotions a therapist will not be able to give you a more complete response and treatment. If you're very, very uncomfortable and scared you won't end up saying what you need to, you can try writing it out - I have done this several times when I'm very uncomfortable with what I need to say and have found it quite helpful. Can you plan on discussing these things at your next meeting?
In the meantime, it sounds as though you're giving yourself a very hard time. Success is not a binary, or a black-and-white win-state that one achieves or fails at. It can be defined in millions of ways and that definition is always changing. Furthermore, the age you refer to yourself being is far, far from any sort of expiration date for when "success" - or more importantly, contentment, meaningful living, and personal growth - are achievable.
I'm sorry I don't have some grand answer for you. I wish I did. In the meantime I hope you keep us posted and I hope your days are at least bearable.

Hmm, anyway, I hardly recognize half of my ramblings afterwards. I had another appointment yesterday. I couldn't really convey any of that. I just did my routine whining. I should probably try writing it out. It's actually much easier for me to be honest and transparent in a foreign language - for some reason I'm very inhibited in my mother tongue. But I don't think English sessions would be feasible either.
Regarding success, being "late" to it (and life in general) isn't even my greatest fear. What I mean is that I'm in the age where my true nature and incompetence is finally revealed. This post from the "I'm too good" thread hits close to home:
What the OP is talking about is actually a documented phenomenon. I read a study a while back that showed a direct correlation between children being praised for being good at something versus working hard at something and how well they tackled more difficult challenges. Children who were told they were good and smart gave up on the more challenging tasks and continued doing what was easy for them, whereas children who were praised for their hard work attacked the harder tasks and were able to surpass them.
That's basically the story of my childhood, and it took a long time (and that study!) to recognize my own failings and focus on challenging myself instead of doing what I already know how to do well. So now that you know this about yourself as well, OP, it's time to start improving yourself!
I was never good, the challenges presented to me were just easy. Real life's responsibilities and hardships are a painful revelation. I don't think I will ever be able to accept that life. And that's the bottom line really. I reject life as it is, I can't handle it. Never could, but it's just dawning on me now.
 
Oh, shit. I'm at work right now and just remembered that I didn't take my SSRI this morning. I'll be home for my lunch so I'll take it then, but man, I haven't forgotten to take it before. Scary.
About how long does it take until withdrawal symptoms kick in? I'm assuming it's longer than a few hours.
 
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