It has absolutely nothing to do with anyones partnership, T10 just likes to leave number plates blank, I don't know why. And you're being optimistic thinking it's an in game screenshot, T10 always uses the best lods for promo material, because guess what, it doesn't have to run it in realtime.
Forza Motorsport 6 has "wet weather, 3D puddles and night races" + more
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It has absolutely nothing to do with anyones partnership, T10 just likes to leave number plates blank, I don't know why. And you're being optimistic thinking it's an in game screenshot, T10 always uses the best lods for promo material, because guess what, it doesn't have to run it in realtime.
Because PGR4 ran at 30fps/SubHD resolution.
Outrun
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I am thinking more along the lines of reusing the track layouts, rather than simply porting over archaic assets to FM6.
Diablohead
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framerates and resolution means nothing when it comes to reusing assets from a game.
They would look really out of place. First they aren't modelled with PBR, second the lighting is PGR4 is still beyond anything that T10 has done.
That actually looks like high quality CG to me but I can't pin why exactly. I suppose it's the surreal lighting. Video compression doesn't help at all.This shot says it all really:
It's real life footage in a pavilion, this level of geometry,shading complexity, lighting is unattainable not only by video games, but CG renders as well.
Well that's baffling.
Don't expect Porsches at launch if we going off what Xbox Wire posted.
http://news.xbox.com/2015/06/games-forza-horizon-2-porsche-expansion
http://news.xbox.com/2015/06/games-forza-horizon-2-porsche-expansion
soundscream
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Probably part of the deal so NFS can have their launch Porsche exclusivity. Good ole EA.
PGR4 wasn't sub-HD. PGR3 was.
Look, I love PGR4, and still play it every now and then... but its lighting is not better than later Turn 10 offerings. That's BS. It may be stylistically preferable however (I think it's stylistically preferable to pretty much every racer in existence though).
Oppo
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This shot says it all really:
It's real life footage in a pavilion, this level of geometry,shading complexity, lighting is unattainable not only by video games, but CG renders as well.
Lollercaust
where did you get this
Let's not forget that EA is not the only one holding licenses; they have rights to Ferrari (or at least have had, I have no knowledge of the deal ending) for at least XBOX (and possibly PC too) so any multiplatform game releasing on XBOX has to (due to feature parity TRC) buy the license from Microsoft if they want to have Ferrari's in the game. They have been making similar deals for example the Ferrari Racing Legends game had to get the license from Microsoft.
Microsoft has been more open to sub-licensing it though after Shift 2 not getting the license, where as they had Ferrari cars as exclusive 360 DLC for the first Shift. We've seen Assetto Corsa (most likely due to their close relationship with Ferrari), NFS series and the Crew have Ferraris.
Hardly surprising. MS will be looking to recoup the EA licensing fees through paid DLC, just like last time. I thought everyone expected this?
I don't think MS still hold the Fezza license. Might be wrong though.
I'm not quite sure myself either, but since we haven't really heard any updates on the matter and Ian Bell's latest post makes it sound they still have the Xbox exclusive license:
In response to:http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?30015-Forza-Motorsport-6&p=976844&viewfull=1#post976844 said:
Ferrari Racing Legends was also released under their license (though that was 2012) so it's hard to say, but from a business perspective it's not hard to see why they would want to keep it. Sure, GT6 and Driveclub get to keep their Ferraris, but at the same time I doubt Ferrari would be quite so anxious to do a full exclusive license and 2 platform license also has to be much cheaper, but they can "extort" any multiplatform developers to have to buy the license at a high price to get their games with Ferraris on Xbox.
Liquidsnake
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I think Turn 10 needs to step their game up a little.
Go on. I'll bite.
What in particular would you like though?
The thing with Forza and game development in general is that it's always filled with massive compromises. The core tenets of the series include the super stable 60fps, a really highly polished experience and somewhat quick release turnover. That inherently reduced the amount of risks they can realistically take, which is why we aren't necessary seeing all the cutting edge technologies implemented or some really drastic changes (subjective, but what I mean is that suddenly adding enourmous features requiring a ton of iteration to get it up to the expected level). It's pretty much inherently tied to the series, but at the same it's a compromise that is up to the players themselves to decide whether it's worth it and I feel that most do feel that series is "on track".
Liquidsnake
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Look they are kings when it comes to the little things like online, car customizing, and the auction house, the insane community sharing is amazing,.On this level, no one can come close to Forza.
Graphically though, they need to step it up. The last 3 Forza's have not been huge leaps graphically. From What I have played of Project Cars and DriveClub, they need to up the graphics a little.
Graphically though, they need to step it up. The last 3 Forza's have not been huge leaps graphically. From What I have played of Project Cars and DriveClub, they need to up the graphics a little.
6 millionth time, no-one else is holding 60fps. Hell, on the same hardware PCars isn't even close to holding 60fps at 900p.
It's literally everyone else in this arena that needs to step their shit up tbh.
Terbinator
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Says things directly impacting gameplay and player interaction are "little things". Compares to 30FPS racers with less cars on the GFX front.
Astounding.
Liquidsnake
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Those are not directly relating to Gameplay or Graphics are they?
Do those great features have any impact on Gameplay or graphics?
If you had a game with those amazing features, and it looked like crap or played like crap would you still play it?.
Where Turn 10 where innovators for online racing, they have fallen a little bit in the graphics dept, and have been passed by. I am hoping they step it up. that is all. Because they have my favorite driving mechanic.
Terbinator
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Of course all the things you mentioned do affect the gameplay. How is the solid online component, car customisation, auction house and community sharing not directly affecting gameplay?
But Forza doesn't look like crap either on it's own or compared to competing racers.
I really don't think you can just compare titles that simply though. Sure Driveclub looks better but its 30fps vs 60fps, even with better code and optimization Forza would need astonishing wizardy to match a 30fps title while sticking to 60fps itself.
PCars is a multi-platform title and its 900p with a more variable frame rate.
TBH until there's another 1080p/60fps racer out it's impossible to really compare easily. If Driveclub was 60fps what would it look like for example? Or if PCars was1080p on XB1 what would it look like.
At the end of the day Forza is one of the few (not trying to make anything of it by the way) 1080p titles on XB1 and it's 60fps to boot (not Horizon obviously) so it's pretty decent effort IMO to achieve that while still looking visually decent too.
soundscream
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Actually they gave it up. They said so in the pre release for Forza 5.
1. Seems you're right.
2. Technically maybe Xbone's Forza are somewhat better, on 360 PGR absolutely destroys Forza graphically and it's a given considering it has twice the rendering budget. Artistically though even currentgen forzas can't touch PGR, the environments in particular look almost photo real.
And it's not even Bizarre's best looking title, I think Blur was a good jump from PGR 4 graphically and Blur 2 would've been even better, but we'll never find out.
wumster3000
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What about Forza's gameplay. Do you like it? Serious question
I could care less about graphics if the racing isn't 60fps.
I own DriveClub, Forza 5 and Horizon. I'll take the locked 60fps Forza 5 any day over graphics.
dreamcastfan
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Soooo.. you DO care?
I am super anxious to see what turn 10 will show this time. Should be a pretty big jump from 5, I think.
wumster3000
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Soooo.. you DO care?
I am super anxious to see what turn 10 will show this time. Should be a pretty big jump from 5, I think.
I'll take Forza 5 over DriveClub and Horizon due to its 60fps goodness.
I also believe that this is real life footage, but saying that CG renders aren't capable of that is incorrect.This shot says it all really:
It's real life footage in a pavilion, this level of geometry,shading complexity, lighting is unattainable not only by video games, but CG renders as well.
It would take a shitton of time and effort to produce shaders this good. With enough money you can do anything of course.
Come on, Driveclub runs at half the framerate. Project Cars framerate is all over the joint. Running at solid 60 fps is no mean feat in itself, there's only so much they can do...from the leak we can take it that wet weather and night racing, two features that people have been harping on about for years are finally in, which are going to hit the framerate even harder.
I mean we can all hope for an improvement, but it's not going to get close to the IQ of Driveclub.
M0dus already said that there will be no more talking about titles other than Forza in this thread.
Black_Stride
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Thats what i would gather.
I dont imagine there will be an accelerated time mode for races like in PCars.
So essentially when you pick say Silverstone, you also choose what weather will be present.
So its either overcast or straight up raining, it wont dynamically change by much like how PCars gets from Haze heat to full on monsoon in like 2 laps.
I dont mind a none dynamic weather system, id just like wet spots on the track and actual rain on the track, doesnt need to be as dynamic as Forza Horizon 2s.
Would be more than happy with this.
This shot says it all really:
It's real life footage in a pavilion, this level of geometry,shading complexity, lighting is unattainable not only by video games, but CG renders as well.
I'm not really here to debate this, but you severely underestimate what's possible with pre rendered CG. To put it simply, we've seen Forza Vista get reasonably close to this level of quality though not on par and that's real time rendering. With pre rendered images or footage the capacity for what's possible increases to an insane amount.
I just found a Pringles promotion where you can win weekly prices like games and DLC.
On their site they mention you can win FH2 right now, beginning in August you could win Forza 6 and starting November Halo 5.
So the release date for Halo 5 is October 27th, so it makes sense to start giving it away after it's available. Maybe it's the same for Forza 6 then?
Site: http://getxtra.pringles.com/de/
On their site they mention you can win FH2 right now, beginning in August you could win Forza 6 and starting November Halo 5.
So the release date for Halo 5 is October 27th, so it makes sense to start giving it away after it's available. Maybe it's the same for Forza 6 then?
Site: http://getxtra.pringles.com/de/
Well, that's the main culprit - who's gonna pay for all that work. It's possible, but it's much cheaper to film a real car in a pavilion with pretty lighting.
The only thing we took issue with is that you claimed it was unattainable at first.
There are individuals making things like this as their personal projects, after all:
Beautiful. I remember seeing the comparisons on the London track as well, they did an amazing job with PGR.1. Seems you're right.
2. Technically maybe Xbone's Forza are somewhat better, on 360 PGR absolutely destroys Forza graphically and it's a given considering it has twice the rendering budget. Artistically though even currentgen forzas can't touch PGR, the environments in particular look almost photo real.
And it's not even Bizarre's best looking title, I think Blur was a good jump from PGR 4 graphically and Blur 2 would've been even better, but we'll never find out.
I miss Bizarre Creations. The studio is close to me as well, I would of loved to of gone to work for them.
People implying F4 looks bad is a bit much. IQ is suffering, but it looks really good - not to mention steady 60fps. Also don't lose the Forza look T10, I like it.
No.
No.
A good part of PGR's photorealistic look for the environments have to do with the environment textures being largely built using actual photos. Even back with PGR1 and PGR2 it had much of this look despite the lighting being extremely basic.
I'm not even close to being as fond of Blur's look though, tbh.
Sure, but the value is in the context not the method. It's not out and out cheaper to produce any given scene in CG than real film or vice versa. The work itself is not that expensive. I won't bore this whole forum with it, but many people in the CG industry would argue that it costs far less than it's worth but that's all I'll say about that.
Edit: I love that this forum is showing PGR and Bizarre so much love.
PGR was one of the best racing games out there. I like the open world approach of Horzion as an arcade racer, but I really miss PGR...
I wish MS would revive PGR and Rallisport Challenge.
Indeed i tend to rent my games these day only buying the games that truly shine and these too would be day 1