Wind's Howling
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So, what am I just reading here. Are all her reports considered to be fake regarding robberies, death threats and noozes hanging in her garden or are only some letters faked?
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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface
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So, what am I just reading here. Are all her reports considered to be fake regarding robberies, death threats and noozes hanging in her garden or are only some letters faked?
Hahaha the end of her rant about money being full of white dudes and reflecting on how it influences her black community, I cant.
EdibleKnife
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Seriously. I dunno what's hard about this. People this is NOT Caitlyn Jenner, this is reverse White Chicks. If there's anything authentic in this woman, it's hidden under layers of lies and manufacturings.
captmcblack
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I just can't.
My body has transcended its corporeal form; I have become a being of pure energy, left without means to contemplate life in this dimension.
If she's been helping black people in America, thanks for that...but she may need help, seriously. She could've done the same thing being a thoughtful advocate for black people as herself - but she chose something else entirely. Worse, there are people that simply say "cool", like being black is simply a lifestyle choice in America. Just style your clothes/speech in the right way, get some black people as accessories, and you're in there.
I hope she gets help, if she needs help. I wish we wouldn't split the atom and try to divine the boundaries of blackness - especially if you aren't black, especially if you don't know what it is to be the other in America.
This is just such a weird situation.
My body has transcended its corporeal form; I have become a being of pure energy, left without means to contemplate life in this dimension.
If she's been helping black people in America, thanks for that...but she may need help, seriously. She could've done the same thing being a thoughtful advocate for black people as herself - but she chose something else entirely. Worse, there are people that simply say "cool", like being black is simply a lifestyle choice in America. Just style your clothes/speech in the right way, get some black people as accessories, and you're in there.
I hope she gets help, if she needs help. I wish we wouldn't split the atom and try to divine the boundaries of blackness - especially if you aren't black, especially if you don't know what it is to be the other in America.
This is just such a weird situation.
Bro you need to watch Maury.
With this and the 'transabled' person that wanted a leg amputated, where do you draw the line between genuine dysphoria and mental illness?
Pilgrimzero
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If she wants to identify as black, than who am I to tell her different? It's her body/life.
Well when you've built your entire identity and persona on a lie, you purposely obfuscate the truth and side step questions, it kind of ruins your credibility. It's very curious, how as soon as she adopted this black persona, she's become the victim of more hate crimes than any other visible minority I know. Investigators and police have even said it's very tough with the evidence. The post office said said only an employee or someone with a key would have put that in the mail PO box, and that it's unlikely it was an employee because it lacked the proper postage. Another issue, she claims a swastika was carved on the door of the place she was working at, but mysteriously the cameras were off then, and so nothing could be shown. It's more likely that a non-victim is literally trying to turn herself into a victim because it only furthers her career and persona. It just gives her a greater chance to get on her false soapbox and talk as if she knows what she's talking about.
DragonSworne
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Why can't we let her be a black woman?
She made herself looked mixed, so people just rolled with single drop. When she has no black heritage in her family history.
People will let her be exactly what she is.
SomedayTheFire
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This is wild
Would she be allowed to say the n-word under this deal?
Wind's Howling
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If that is true she is truly mentally ill.
Just beating yourself up in order to get sympathy from others. That's what this is.
Vin Diesel is off the table, but the White delegation will take on Flo Rida's contract.
Not Spaceghost
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This needs to be a movie.
Call it, 50 shades of white.
Call it, 50 shades of white.
You can be a good person but still make one monumentally poor decision. And then continue to choose to make that decision for a decade.
No idea, but I reckon that conversation is steaming towards us regardless. I find it quite interesting how these things snowball.
I had to look over the OP like 3 times before i was convinced this wasn't an onion article Lol. Wow.
I read some of the debate regarding whether transracial is an actual thing on the last couple pages. I intuitively feel like it isn't comparable to transgender, but i can't really point out where the difference in the logic is. I admit I'm not very knowledgeable about trans issues, so if someone with more knowledge wants to give an explanation to why something like this is unacceptable and completely different from being transgender, please do. Again, i instinctively feel like they're different situations, but i can't really formulate a logical argument as to why.
When Crab and others ask how the situations are different, the only responses I've seen are "it just is. And if you disagree you're either racist and/or transphobic."
I read some of the debate regarding whether transracial is an actual thing on the last couple pages. I intuitively feel like it isn't comparable to transgender, but i can't really point out where the difference in the logic is. I admit I'm not very knowledgeable about trans issues, so if someone with more knowledge wants to give an explanation to why something like this is unacceptable and completely different from being transgender, please do. Again, i instinctively feel like they're different situations, but i can't really formulate a logical argument as to why.
When Crab and others ask how the situations are different, the only responses I've seen are "it just is. And if you disagree you're either racist and/or transphobic."
_/¯DragonSworne
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They aren't different. Race and gender are social constructs.
teruterubozu
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Were the founders switching their backgrounds in secret?
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness according to the DSM, although plenty of transgendered folks disagree with that.
I dunno if we know enough about what this lady really thinks to call it a mental illness, though. Plenty of people make and have made deliberate choices to choose how they craft their identity, from the people who emphasize their 1/Xth Cherokee or Roma blood, to the light-skinned people who are either "black" or "white" depending on their background, their environment, or sometimes their choice (sadly I don't remember names but I recall a Smithsonian article all about black people who basically abandoned their families, straightened their hair and lived as white for the rest of their life. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries it was not unheard of.)
I don't think there's any science to support transracialism(?) as A Thing in the same way we know hormonal exposure, brain development and other factors lead to transgender individuals. But it's an interesting argument because many of the same points some transgender advocates use against the DSM, or even minority advocates use, could be used here—If you believe "race is a social construct" then I don't see how you can disagree with someone's choice to present themselves as part of another race than the one they are initially pegged as.
Plenty of explanations given, but then again if you are saying that users are accusing others of racism (link some posts) then there seems to be an issue on your end.
Bobby Roberts
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Spokane, Washington is not an area particularly known for its diversity.
And to generally address stuff that's been coming up the last two or so pages again, I think the difference between this and Transgender or gay people (I still don't really understand why this comparison is the first reaction by a lot of people here) is that in those instances, there was never a moment where those people saw an outside example and thought "Wow! Hey, yeah, I think it'd be cool to be that. They've got a lot of awesome things going for them." They saw an outside example and it affirmed all the things they'd automatically, naturally, intrinsically thought/felt/understood since they were born. They just finally had the frame of reference to apply it to themselves. It was an act of recognition, not an act of appropriation. They saw themselves reflected in someone or something else, they didn't see someone else and decide they were going to become the mirror.
Like Fuchs said, I don't think there's any science to support Transracialism, and even if there was - she isn't an example of it. She's just faking it. She's bullshitting. There's no authenticity in it. She didn't achieve consciousness at age 4 knowing she was a black woman. That never happened.
And maybe I could possibly concede that what she did wasn't *intentionally* malicious. But I don't know that intention matters past a certain point, and in this case, lying on applications to secure a seat at the head of the local chapter of the NAACP is certainly beyond that point.
Sho_Nuff82
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Positively screaming at the 12 Years a Slave post.
#AzeliaBankswasright
#AzeliaBankswasright
ryutaro's mama
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God Tier
Delusions included she seems harmless as far as I can tell. Hopefully the Internet doesn't slander this woman into doing something crazy. This probably would've never blown out of proportion if she had just admitted that she was white...
This is definitely the funniest news story I've ever read.
This is definitely the funniest news story I've ever read.
While I don't agree with her actions, I don't think she exploited a cause for personal gain. It's hard to argue that she would have more to gain personally by going from white to black. And certainly you can boil it down to simply makeup and hairstyling, but it's not easy to live a lie daily for years, especially since she also seems to have a public presence.
I see it as a case of something similar to "weeaboos" where people who love the culture (or the image of the culture) so much they want to be that culture. Except Rachel Dolezal went even more extreme, and tried to make it a reality. I don't think she is stealing your identity, but rather she falsified an identity for herself to assimilate into the culture she is clearly so fascinated with (shown by the siblings, the husband, the NAACP efforts, the fashion shows, the Africana classes). And just like it doesn't work for weeaboos because they're never going to be Japanese, it doesn't work for Dolezal because she's not black. But I don't think she's doing this maliciously.
bobbychalkers
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I am willing to negotiate the release of Stacy Dash or Raven Symone along with Flo Rida to complete the transaction for Vincent Diesel.
Oh god lol
Captain Fish
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A lot of the defenses of this read like the same sort of racism I've gotten from people that is one of those awkward things that is hard to call out. "You're the whitest black guy I know" or some shit like that (and this is not in reference to skin tone). All it means is somehow the qualities you embody and interests you have can't possibly be the qualities of a black person, so they identify them as white. It at the same time shows how limited the person believes a black person is, while reinforcing those limits. It's pretty insidious.
There is absolutely no reason Rachel couldn't have supported black rights, been interested in African-American history and culture and done art inspired by that history as a white person. Ditto for her clothing and hairstyles. That doesn't mean she's any less white than some bigoted dude from the south. And I'm not saying it wouldn't have been difficult, she would've faced some pressure from people claiming cultural appropriation. However, I think it's important and positive for different people to express a love of a culture and history without ignoring where it comes from. There's a universality and transcendence in all cultures, not just white western culture.
There is absolutely no reason Rachel couldn't have supported black rights, been interested in African-American history and culture and done art inspired by that history as a white person. Ditto for her clothing and hairstyles. That doesn't mean she's any less white than some bigoted dude from the south. And I'm not saying it wouldn't have been difficult, she would've faced some pressure from people claiming cultural appropriation. However, I think it's important and positive for different people to express a love of a culture and history without ignoring where it comes from. There's a universality and transcendence in all cultures, not just white western culture.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Where exactly were all these transethnicity activists whenever someone gets exposed for pretending to be Japanese/Asian? Several pages back we had that Angelsoldier thread where the OP went as far as to pretend his family was displaced by the 2011 earthquake and nobody even entertained the idea of defending him. Why exactly should we give a pass to a lady that lied her way to a top position of a civil rights asociation and made up threats and discrimination against her that never actually happened?
ryutaro's mama
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And to add to this, if she ever decides she is done with the charade, she gets to return to being a White woman and have all the societal benefits associated with it. Ethnically Black people have no such choice. I mean, MJ lightened his skin and yet he was NEVER considered a White man, even if he decided to claim being one (which of course he never did in public).
Being Black isn't some fucking fashion trend.
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The Hispanic delegation is questioning the existing contract with Vin Diesel and reserves the right to veto any deal that could further obfuscate the legitimacy of their claim.
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