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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface

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TheGraykid said:
You can either see her as someone who is a deceitful fraud or someone who is pretty damn messed up but ultimately well meaning. I see her as the former not the later. She hasn't really hurt anyone here, so I don't know why anyone would actually be mad at her.
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I think of all of the black applicants who were rejected for her position in favor of this woman and laugh at the idea that "she didn't hurt anyone".
 
Madness said:
She literally peaced the fuck out of an interview when he questioned if she was African-American, whether the black man she claims was her father actually was. She said something about how we're all from Africa originally and then just bailed on the interview. She knows the jig is up now. No more pretending.
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Hahaha, that was better than I hoped.
 
Slayven said:
It just so rage inducing that people want to cheer her on her brave decision to be black.
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Who is doing that? I'm sure I'm a member of the "defense force" but my defense is that she's likely a well-meaning person who is thoroughly twisted in the head and needs someone, likely a mental health professional, to pull her aside and get her to come to terms with reality.

I think it's quite a leap to assume she's fully aware of the ramifications of her charade and has malicious intent here. It just reeks of mental illness to me and, while I fully understand how/why a black person would be offended by this, I'm a little uncomfortable with turning a potentially mentally ill person whose career is entirely based around advocating for civil rights into an outright joke.

I have invoked Caitlyn Jenner in this thread but it was a lazy, irresponsible way for me to try and complain about the tone of this thread. That was a can of worms I shouldn't have tried to open and that's my bad. The only things Rachel and Caitlyn really have in common are that they're both white women. I don't think Rachel is brave. I think she's confused.
 
Madness said:
She literally peaced the fuck out of an interview when he questioned if she was African-American, whether the black man she claims was her father actually was. She said something about how we're all from Africa originally and then just bailed on the interview. She knows the jig is up now. No more pretending.
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that is what kills me if she really was "transracial" (god I hated typing that) why wasn't she honest and then say "but I feel black"? Or at least say that is my father but the black dude raised me?

JustenP88 said:
Who is doing that? I'm sure I'm a member of the "defense force" but my defense is that she's likely a well-meaning person who is thoroughly twisted in the head and needs someone, likely a mental health professional, to pull her aside and get her to come to terms with reality.

I think it's quite a leap to assume she's fully aware of the ramifications of her charade and has malicious intent here. It just reeks of mental illness to me and, while I fully understand how/why a black person would be offended by this, I'm a little uncomfortable with turning a potentially mentally ill person whose career is entirely based around advocating for civil rights into an outright joke.

I have invoked Caitlyn Jenner in this thread but it was a lazy, irresponsible way for me to try and complain about the tone of this thread. That was a can of worms I shouldn't have tried to open and that's my bad. The only things Rachel and Caitlyn really have in common are that they're both white women. I don't think Rachel is brave. I think she's confused.
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She did that herself, and another thing black people never get to be mentally ill. Just a history of being savage
 
bobbychalkers said:
The black delegation would also like to bar Chet Haze from requesting change of committee. I also request that Teena Marie be posthumously inducted into the black delegation....oh and Jon B too.
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You've got yourself a goddamn deal.

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I mean, she should have just said she was black. It would have been awkward as shit still, but it also could have started a conversation about the subjective and ambiguous nature of race. I don't really care what she decides to call herself since self-identification is a tiny part of how race plays out in America anyway.

Now lying about her family, that's some fucked up shit and it obviously calls into question her previous stories about hate mail and whatnot and it's obviously equally fucked up if this whole scheme was done to advance her NAACP career (though it seems like that's not the case and she's just delusional). Regardless, if the hate wasn't real before, it sure as shit is gonna be now.

The most interesting thing about this is that while people may accuse her of exploiting her privilege and wearing race as a "costume", she would actually have forfeited that privilege by using her current appearance to begin with. Since no one was making a fuss about her identity before her family came out, I think it's safe to say that she was passing as being at least light-skinned, with everything that comes with that.
 
poppabk said:
I think the difference is that there is no heritage involved in being transgender. You aren't transgender because your parents were transgender. Your parents and your grandparents and your great grandparents don't share a cultural history of being transgender and your place in life is not defined by what they went through because of it. If being Trans racial is really something that exists, which I doubt, then at best you would have to define yourself as black but with no black heritage. This woman seems to have just lied to create an actual heritage that doesn't exist.
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I mean, I wouldn't hold the lying thing against her if this was legitimately some weird identity crisis, because clearly she would not be accepted if she just said that she was born white but identifies as black. But I think your point about family heritage playing a big role in difference between gender and racial identity is a good one.

Cyriades said:
Nothing is as entertaining as seeing liberals eat each other.
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I didn't think I was eating anybody? I'm trying as hard as I can to not come off as hostile or transphobic or something in any way. I'm just legitimitely ignorant and confused about this whole thing and seeking some good arguments and explanations.
 
My only problem is her creating some fictitious background and using it to advance her career. Everything else is certainly strange, but not really that upsetting.
 
Slayven said:
that is what kills me if she really was "transracial" (god I hated typing that) why wasn't she honest and then say "but I feel black"? Or at least say that is my father but the black dude raised me?
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Because of threads like this thread, where people have been shitting on her for 20 pages straight.

She did that herself, and another thing black people never get to be mentally ill. Just a history of being savage
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And that's wrong, and should never have happened, and should be stopped from happening - so why treat her like that?

I mean, if she's just making this up for attention, I accept all of your arguments. It's insulting and offensive. What if she's not, though?
 
Crab said:
This is such a strange argument you're making here. I am entirely comfortable with who I am. More than that, I am very fortunate to be actively happy about the person I am. There are facets of me I'd change, but they're relatively limited. I'm not arguing because I feel if I defend this woman, I can follow in her footsteps. I also have no particular dispensation towards to white people. I don't care about white people specifically any more than I care about any other people. I specifically don't have any reason to care about Rachel Dolezal, a woman who I've never met and probably have very little in common in.

The reason I care, is because if she's not pretending, and she wakes up in the morning and looks in the mirror and sees a skin that isn't hers and thinks, "that's wrong/that's not me/that's not who I am"; and she finds a body she's comfortable living in, and other people tell her that's wrong and try to force her into a body she's not comfortable in and into being a person she isn't, then there is something *wrong* going on, and someone is being hurt.

Of course, if, deep down, she hates pretending to be black and only does it for the NAACP salary, is or ambivalent and does it for attention, then you're right entirely - it' deeply offensive and she is wrong. But, assuming for the time being that's not why she does it, I have reason to care.
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I really hope transracial doesn't become a real thing. Or else 80% of suburban white kids 15 - 25 are going to claim they have it.
 
Spinluck said:
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fuck this response, this should be bannable. Slayven is doing the courtesy of responding and what he says is definitely giving me pause to think. You're just strolling by, shitposting a .gif, and moving on.
 
KingK said:
I mean, all of those posts you linked could easily have the same arguments some women use against transgender women. That's the point Crab and a couple others were making earlier. Like I said, I feel like the situations are different too, as an initial reaction. But I don't have a clear, logical explanation for why "transracial" people like this are at best mentally ill while transgender is a completely different and accepted concept. I can't articulate any reasons and I haven't seen anyone else convincingly do so either. And again, this may be due to my lack of knowledge on trans issues, which is why I was asking for somebody who knows more to clearly explain why they're different.
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We've explained it, you're just rejecting those explanations because you keep saying "but look! I can just switch out words and make you say something you didn't!" as if that were some kind of legitimate point you're making.

If you don't understand transgender issues, and you don't understand how this could be offensive, and you genuinely want to understand the difference, MAYBE don't start rejecting the explanations given to you simply because you don't feel like they're satisfying to you, and maybe don't get argumentative toward actual transgendered people who are saying "cut it out, you're being offensive".
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Is there really anything to that "What If" though, or is it just your inner defense attorney clawing at the door?
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I mean, it seems pretty plausible to me. If you were doing it for attention, or because you were "slumming it", why would you do it for thirteen years? This woman hasn't walked a mile in a black woman's shoes, she's lived a third of her life in them.
 
the #WrongSkin trend is fucking amazing right now on Twitter btw ya'll

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shit, I was born #WrongFinacial, can I get my forty acres and a mule America this aint a joke b
 
There hasn't been nearly enough discussion about how she sent herself hate mail and painted a swastika on her door lol. (from the original article)
 
Slayven said:
she is not to be applauded, at best she should be pitied.
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Has anyone applauded her though? I've not seen how the conversation is going outside of the last few pages of this thread, where the overwhelming majority are fuming, a few are trying to express some sort of understanding, and then you've got cunts like me just acting the fool. I haven't seen any real positive support or suggestions that she's brave or anything like that.

I really want to hear her side. Not because I'm eager to legitimise the idea that white can become black, but just because I can't even begin to imagine what made her do this. I also can't understand how she got away with it without anyone saying 'hang on, aren't you white?!'.
 
Crab said:
I mean, it seems pretty plausible to me.
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But when you look at what she's been doing, how she's been doing it, why she's been doing it, and how she's responding once finally called out on it - is it still as plausible?

I don't think it is. I think it only remains plausible if we start abstracting shit from the specific details of her, and start arguing things conceptually. Like, maybe there's a white woman from Montana for which these arguments apply, but it's not really this one.
 
Is there a requirement for the NAACP to have an African-American leader? (Is that requirement even legal?)

Honestly, does it matter if she's doing good for the organization?

(I know nothing about her background, or what she claims to be. Just wondering why this is such a big deal.)
 
Crab said:
I mean, it seems pretty plausible to me. If you were doing it for attention, or because you were "slumming it", why would you do it for thirteen years? This woman hasn't walked a mile in a black woman's shoes, she's lived a third of her life in them.
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It's a lot easier to play the game when you know you can pause it any time you want.
 
Cyriades said:
Nothing is as entertaining as seeing liberals eat each other.
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The inability to say "no" or "delusional" to people who seem all over the place is really strange to witness with so many of todays liberals. They so badly want to be progressive and open minded that i could litterally say i am a plant, stick some grass in my ass and you have to nod and tell me "well thats good for you, what point of the day do you want me to water you?"


The lack of critical thinking, research evaporates into thin air because "feelings".
 
MiszMasz said:
It's a lot easier to play the game when you know you can pause it any time you want.
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Yup, no argument there. All I'm saying is that if you live as a black woman for thirteen years in a country like America, the chance you experience *real* discrimination at least once is basically guaranteed. She wasn't only black on weekdays then having white weekends and vacations, she was perceived and treated as black by everyone except her closest family, who apparently she didn't interact with much anyway, for thirteen years.
 
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She saying silly shit like taht when one of the main jobs of the NAACP was to stop black men from getting hanged for being in the same city as a white woman tells me enough about her mindset.
 
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