Roy (our boy) & Ryu confirmed for Smash Bros

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Still salty about Roy, but I guess its nice to have all Veterans back (Wolf is coming I know it, screw Pichu, and Young Link is basically Toon Link).

Can't believe people don't like Ryu. Why not have the most iconic fighting game character in the most popular cross-over fighting game?
 
Puruzi said:
No, it probably doesn't, but you can blame the people who asked for Roy more than Wolf. Sucks, but Roy is more popular.
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Yeah, I guess so.
Neiteio said:
Finale Fireworker is right. To put a slight twist on what he said, what people sometimes forget is that Roy is not simply a Fire Emblem character who is judged on the merit of his relevance to that franchise. To many people, Roy is, for all practical purposes, a Melee character. As long as Smash, as a franchise, is relevant, so too is Roy.
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Ugh.

Might as well start tossing in other characters to promote their games before they even come out so they can also become Smash icons.
 
Finale Fireworker said:
It's complicated, but also not. Roy's popularity in Smash Bros has little to do with Fire Emblem as a series.

When Melee came out, a lot of younger Nintendo fans had no idea who Marth and Roy were. Melee was their first introduction to the characters. And these characters came with no supplemental trophies or stages. So what people saw of Marth and Roy is exactly what they got.

Marth and Roy were cool because they seemed so "serious" compared to the other Melee fighters. The rest of the cast were cartoon characters, but Marth and Roy seemed much more mysterious and mature.

Nobody knew where they were from (beyond the title of their series), nobody could even understand what they were saying (if they didn't speak Japanese), so what we have are two cool, mysterious characters that felt drastically different from the rest of the cast. Fire Emblem, through exposure, has been largely normalized in Smash Bros. But back then, they stuck out like sore thumbs.

So you have these two cool characters you know nothing about and have no attachment to beyond Melee. You have Marth, who is cool and fast. But then you have Roy, who has a sweet chestplate, red hair, and explodes fire out of his sword. Where Marth was elegant and agile, Roy felt rough and tough. He captured a lot of boyish attitude that appealed to young male players.

Without any other context, Roy was easily one of the coolest characters in the game. There's a reason why he was such a popular "noob" character. He was so new and interesting and had a complex design and EXPLODED INTO FLAMES.

Roy was our boy.
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Nothing but truth here.

It's also the reason why I'm kinda sad that Sakurai and co. don't do any more outlandish inclusions post Melee. Introducing a franchise to an entire region in such a manner really added a sort of mysterious appeal to Melee that has yet to be topped in terms of character roster.
 
Fucking rad that this finally happened. I'm super excited for Ryu and hoping a Ken alt is in the works as well! Imo, you can't have one without the other.
 
Azure J said:
Nothing but truth here.

It's also the reason why I'm kinda sad that Sakurai and co. don't do any more outlandish inclusions post Melee. Introducing a franchise to an entire region in such a manner really added a sort of mysterious appeal to Melee that has yet to be topped in terms of character roster.
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I think R.O.B is pretty outlandish
 
Azure J said:
Nothing but truth here.

It's also the reason why I'm kinda sad that Sakurai and co. don't do any more outlandish inclusions post Melee. Introducing a franchise to an entire region in such a manner really added a sort of mysterious appeal to Melee that has yet to be topped in terms of character roster.
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And to think they were almost cut out of the localized versions....
 
Finale Fireworker said:
It's complicated, but also not. Roy's popularity in Smash Bros has little to do with Fire Emblem as a series.

When Melee came out, a lot of younger Nintendo fans had no idea who Marth and Roy were. Melee was their first introduction to the characters. And these characters came with no supplemental trophies or stages. So what people saw of Marth and Roy is exactly what they got.

Marth and Roy were cool because they seemed so "serious" compared to the other Melee fighters. The rest of the cast were cartoon characters, but Marth and Roy seemed much more mysterious and mature.

Nobody knew where they were from (beyond the title of their series), nobody could even understand what they were saying (if they didn't speak Japanese), so what we have are two cool, mysterious characters that felt drastically different from the rest of the cast. Fire Emblem, through exposure, has been largely normalized in Smash Bros. But back then, they stuck out like sore thumbs.

So you have these two cool characters you know nothing about and have no attachment to beyond Melee. You have Marth, who is cool and fast. But then you have Roy, who has a sweet chestplate, red hair, and explodes fire out of his sword. Where Marth was elegant and agile, Roy felt rough and tough. He captured a lot of boyish attitude that appealed to young male players.

Without any other context, Roy was easily one of the coolest characters in the game. There's a reason why he was such a popular "noob" character. He was so new and interesting and had a complex design and EXPLODED INTO FLAMES.

Roy was our boy.
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This post is beautiful.
 
Crayolan said:
Mt. Rushmore is only 4 heads. And Smash already has them all.

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Ryu is the face of the fighting genre. So....no.
 
spindashing said:
you tellin me Duck Hunt aint outlandish tho
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Come on guys, you know what I mean. Who doesn't know who the Duck Hunt Dog is?

Can anyone tell me without a wiki where Ayumi Tachibana is from? What Sukapon's deal is? What's good with Hikari and Donbe?

Hard Mode: Shikamaru Ninja can't answer. :P
 
Ezalc said:
Oh look, instead of adding somebody interesting to the roster they decided to go with the dullest fighting game protagonist of all time when his company already has a much more influential representative. Wonderful. At least roy's new design looks good.
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Popularity, they call it.
 
Toxi said:
On a more positive note, Ryu totally needs to have the Joudan Sokutogeri as his forward smash.
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That's all I want

Make it even more awesome and make it so that if you charge it it'll advance more like an ex move.

Also why I wanted the Hadoken to be a side b so it could have two speed variants. And have tatsumaki b a neutral b or a down b
 
Mind you, they changed everyone's lose animations to clapping (Jiggs aside) - they even changed Diddy's sad face into a clap.
 
Why don't you tag the name of this topic with the SPOILER word? Some of us don't want to be spoiled while we're reading the topic list =/
 
thecoolFNF said:
Ryu is the face of the fighting genre. So....no.
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Congrats, and these in the picture, with the unfortunate exception of megaman recently, are the faces of gaming basically as an industry given their history. People saying that Ryu or snake belongs on a "mount rushmore" of videogame characters are out of their goddamn minds.
 
Boney said:
That's all I want

Make it even more awesome and make it so that if you charge it it'll advance more like an ex move.

Also why I wanted the Hadoken to be a side b so it could have two speed variants. And have tatsumaki b a neutral b or a down b
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But then you won't have Kirby yelling Hadoken. ;__;

I just can't wait to Donkey Kick people with Ryu in the cave of life in Hyrule Temple lol
 
Ezalc said:
Congrats, and these in the picture, with the unfortunate exception of megaman recently, are the faces of gaming basically as an industry given their history. People saying that Ryu or snake belongs on a "mount rushmore" of videogame characters are out of their goddamn minds.
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Still more iconic than Snake.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
There is comfort in the fact that everyone I expected to get super mad about this got super mad about it.
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I'm legitimately wondering how you could be mad at this. Even when I was nonplussed over the prospect of yet another Marth clone as part of the package, I didn't feel like there wasn't any value to the whole package (Lucas/Ryu/Roy). Ryu detractors are weird as shit too. You're going to deny him entry to an event celebrating gaming to this level when Nintendo and Capcom are already in such a good position to capitalize on it? Because he's not Nintendo/third parties smell funny?

Yeah, no.
 
Tiniebless said:
Why don't you tag the name of this topic with the SPOILER word? Some of us don't want to be spoiled while we're reading the topic list =/
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If you did that, then you'd have to do the same for like 95% of announcement thread titles, which would be kind of silly.
 
Azure J said:
Come on guys, you know what I mean. Who doesn't know who the Duck Hunt Dog is?

Can anyone tell me without a wiki where Ayumi Tachibana is from? What Sukapon's deal is? What's good with Hikari and Donbe?

Hard Mode: Shikamaru Ninja can't answer. :P
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But if you think about it, Marth and Roy aren't "outlandish". Fire Emblem has already been a huge series before it finally made the way over to the West, Marth had appeared in what, 3 or 4 of them at that point?
Yes, before Melee the Fire Emblem characters were not known in the West, but they've still been a huge deal. It's not like they are from an obscure Japanese-only game that had a single installment and was one of the last games for its system that had already been officially outdated by its predecessor (such as Sukapon's game Joy Mech Fight).

I understand the appeal of obscure characters, and believe me, I myself love me some obscure characters, but I would not consider Fire Emblem an obscure series, even before it came to the West.
 
Ezalc said:
Congrats, and these in the picture, with the unfortunate exception of megaman recently, are the faces of gaming basically as an industry given their history. People saying that Ryu or snake belongs on a "mount rushmore" of videogame characters are out of their goddamn minds.
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I agree with you on Snake but Ryu is pretty iconic... If he isn't on Mount Rushmore he does deserve a Lincoln Memorial.

Edit: We are actually arguing about a gaming mount rushmore

what have we become
 
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