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[Azure J]

The only fixable problems that existed with this event given all the context of Nintendo being in that awkward transitioning phase and everything that is the Wii U at current is that too much of the focus of this direct was on stuff that were known entities for too long already. We're nearing the third year since we first heard about stuff like Yoshi Woolly World and Xenoblade Chronicles X and they both got extended looks on stream. Super Mario Maker segments were also much longer than necessary given the Nintendo World Championships' focus on the title. Even StarFox which set a decent tone for the beginning had a bit less punch due to the psuedo reveal it had last E3 with the Time Magazine leak and of course the strange omission of Platinum Games' involvement with the title alongside internal EAD.

There were no third party gigatons Nintendo could rely on for sheer shock factor and honestly, if you were looking for that, it speaks more to you wanting spectacle over wanting content from Nintendo. That said, Nintendo messed up this time for highlighting too many things that were already losing their "mysticism". The Digital Event worked last year because it was a damn near blow out of a ton of things that still had strong intrigue behind themselves (remember before this time last year, no one knew what the fuck a Splatoon was, Smash hype was still going strong with almost 3/4th of the game(s) unaccounted for and Star Fox was mothball'd status) with live stage plays immediately following the event to give further clarity and "additional hits" of the stuff coming up. This time around, the intrigue for the stuff shown off is almost all nonexistant from the jump or counting on audience reception for max appeal and given how people already feel about Metroid alt takes (hi Other M reception/scars), Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi (Sticker Star still stings for a lot of folks and Dream Team is apparently <<<<< Bowser's Inside Story) or the "anime-zation" of Fire Emblem, that plan fell through quite admirably.

 

[Scum]

 

[MilesTeg]

yeah but they can't keep the wii u in an almost dead state for 2 years

I guess it's possible they learned from the wii -> wii u transition and are keeping a lot of games ready for late 2016 after E3 and early 2017 before the new console, going into the new console with a strong last year on the wii u, maybe some easy remasters to pad out the line up

Two years? Third party dropped Wii U in 2013. By 2016 it will essentially be three years of nothing but whatever Nintendo released. They desperately need a successor next year because their console has been irrelevant for quite some time already.

 

[FunkyDealer]

Normal Directs are usually better than what we got. The bait and switch on not only Metroid, but Animal Crossing and possibly a new Mario game at the end really hurt.

They should have given better coverage to SMTxFE, and made an update on Zelda as well as future Smash and/or Splatoon DLC. There wasn't even any new Virtual Console news.

I kind of wish they'd have had the Smash Direct and Earthbound Beginnings reveal as part of this instead.

 

[Shiggy]

Jesus christ....it was not that bad guys, just lacking. Watch the next Direct make up for lost time......just wondering why no third parties were shown. Not even more info on project treasure.

Sarcasm?

 

[PantherLotus]

You mean like PS3 games on PS4?

Actually, exactly like that. Except not 2 years into the cycle, but 6. So...

They milked Wii and 3DS for way long without making the proper next-gen preparations. That's for sure. I believe their objective starting w/ NX is forward compatibility and more frequent new 3DS-style hardware refreshes. They should have just made a Wii HD back in 2010 or so with a forward compatible plan. Of course, times were different back then, and smart devices along w/ the barrage of digital services we have now have changed the battlefield.

I think this is right.

But I do think Nintendo is nearing SEGA territory with their off-gen shenanigans, especially now that mobile marginalizes the 3DS so much. Read: The End Is Near.

 

[Overside]

From a certain perspective... This is the most amazing e3 nintendo has ever done.

The stream of tortured souls is exquisite

 

[Fox Mulder]

The reality of the wiiu being dead just hurts. Everything seemed smaller in scope or was for the 3ds. I dont care about fire emblem or anime games. I like star fox, but this is obviously a lower budgeted title.

All the pre e3 directs and announcements led people to expect wiiu stuff. It's just not in the pipeline anymore as they presumably shift to the nx.

 

[diffusionx]

I don't think one more title would've shifted this considerably.

They literally announced or revealed ONLY games, too. The only thing OUTSIDE of game footage was the Skylanders things and Amiibo shit.

There was no "Backwards compatability" moment or PS4 media player.

No account system improvements. No price drop. No new 3rd-party support. Nothing to admit faults or things to improve on. Nothing.

They aren't learning.

I think some meaty info on a new Zelda due out in 6 months would have made people pretty happy. I dunno.

Or maybe the problem was what they showed off just didn't look that good. Star Fox looks terrible. Truly shockingly terrible. The new Zelda and Metroid games they showed, let's just say that's not what I am looking for in the franchises. Etc.

I am not hating. I think Super Mario Maker is going to be amazing and tremendous. But the new stuff they announced and showed off? It's bad.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Jesus christ....it was not that bad guys, just lacking. Watch the next Direct make up for lost time......just wondering why no third parties were shown. Not even more info on project treasure.

The biggest WTF to me was no Rhythm Heaven The Best + announcement. Guess it is not going to get localized.

 

[Father_Brain]

I put very little stock in what Iwata says. His track record's not very good.

If Iwata is telling investors that a big initiative will happen in a specific fiscal year, I think it'll happen.

Whether it's successful is, of course, an entirely different question.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled at all the "Selling my Wii U" folks. I mean, as a big Nintendo fan, I would never sell off my Wii U and all of the digital games and whatnot I have with it, not to mention MK8 and Smash Bros. If you aren't a big Nintendo fan then I have to ask: Why did you buy a Wii U in the first place? It's been patently obvious since launch that it was pretty much only for their diehard fans, hence the terrible sales figures. It's not like the system is going to be worth all that much second-hand anyway.

 

[Kinsei]

The biggest WTF to me was no Rhythm Heaven The Best + announcement. Guess it is not going to get localized.

Yeah. That really sucks.

 

[Morfeo]

Nintendo becoming a 3rd party doesn't seem so bad right now eh?

Nintendo becomming a thirdparty would mean the end of most of these games, so yeah, that is the worst possible option.

 

[maniac-kun]

Maybe Nintendo should go timed thirdparty. Just until the end of the current gen consoles. And launch a new competetive system with the rest.

 

[ladyluthien]

The biggest WTF to me was no Rhythm Heaven The Best + announcement. Guess it is not going to get localized.

Yeah, same here. I thought surely we would get an announcement today but alas.

 

[Spirit Icana]

Hype culture. The hypest announcements, like Shenmue 3 and Final Fantasy 7 are probably not coming out next year. We'll probably be seeing them at more E3's without the hype and shock.

But I did feel very happy for those who've been begging for these two. I've never played Shenmue or Final Fantasy VII. If the do HD ports for Shenmue, I'll likely pick them up. And FF VII R will be the first time I see that story unfold, although everyone and their mom has already spoiled Aeris' fate for me.

For Nintendo, it's like some else has said:

No real Zelda -- Here's four swords with four Links again.
No real Paper Mario ---here's Mario Luigi, with Paper guests
No real Metroid --here's a Metroid spin-off
No real 2D Mario -- Make your own 2D Mario!

Meh. I was also disappointed that Camelot is making another Mario Tennis. I'll buy it as I like the series, but I still want them to finish Golden Sun. It's stupid what they did to that series.

No English dub for Xenoblade Chronicles X previewed, so literally nothing new to see or hear. Fire Emblem is a cool series, but I'm not sure if I'm going to like fates. Voice acting wasn't too hot, and I hope the hero isn't a douche.

Yeah, just nothing to get hyped about. But I'm definately buying some Nintendo games this year.

For my PS4, the next game I want on it is Star Ocean V, and the Japanese version is end of this year, and next year for NA. Everything else that interests me on the platform is next year and beyond.

 

[Kurtofan]

The biggest WTF to me was no Rhythm Heaven The Best + announcement. Guess it is not going to get localized.

They'll probably announce it in a direct.

 

[modsbox]

Oh I see, the thread isn't serious.

Mmm. I think it is. The point I was trying to make is that if they are resorting to bastardizing their established franchises with ridiculous spinoffs they should really think hard about bringing their non-handheld titles to all platforms. Metroid on Wii U may not sell enough to justify. On all platforms, sure it would. Plus their bread and butter like Mario and Mario Kart would sell so well that they could afford to properly support (and sell enough of) titles like Starfox and Animal Crossing.

As it is they don't have the hardware base (again on non-handheld) to support their franchises properly. Ruining them as they are doing now is not the way to fix it. Making their stuff available on all platforms so they get the proper exposure is.

 

[Number_6]

On one hand, we complain that publishers show us games waaaaaayyyyy too early, on the other hand, we want Nintendo to start announcing games as soon as they begin development. Also, we act like it would make all the difference if they held all the content we already had until this E3 event. As if that would've changed how we enjoy the actual games.

So we're just dealing with whiny children on Christmas morning who got a dog instead of the pony they wanted? Got it. It all makes sense now.

Awesome post--goes to show how much of this is based just on perception, emotion, and speculation (and I am guilty as anyone else here).

I agree that it's not good for them to possibly expect fans to buy another console within what might be considered a single generation, but I'm not sure that this should trouble them too much given the Wii U's dire sales. The only people that have the thing are die hard Nintendo fans and they'll have no problem buying the NX when Nintendo releases Zelda, Mario and Metroid. Not sure what choice Nintendo has here. They'll have a host of problems no matter when they launch, and at this point I think the sooner the better.

I see this, but I still view it as a band-aid. In the long term, this makes things worse.

A similar timeline would assure the Nx to bomb like nothing before.

Nx is 2016. Zelda being 99% a Nx launch title is the major proof.

Zelda being 99% a NX launch title is still nothing but speculation. It can't be used as "proof" for anything. It's not like Nintendo have never delayed a Zelda game before.

Again, Iwata's own statements suggest it's very unlikely that they're targeting any later than Q1 2017 for NX launch, and more likely holiday 2016.

Again, Iwata's post refers to marketing as much as anything else. It doesn't have to be a new console, considering he himself stated that they already have the games with the accolades.

Also, If NX is coming so soon, when would third parties get to make games for it? They'd have to be convinced to get on board and get started like yesterday.

Without third parties, this is just more of the same. They keep making new games, keep getting those great reviews, and what changes to make people buy them and buy the console besides it being a new console that the general audience didn't expect and wasn't ready for because they only just got Wii U, or Xbox, or PS4? See how that doesn't work? Simply releasing new hardware doesn't guarantee sales (as everyone in this thread should know). Something else needs to happen.

 

[JustenP88]

Well, look at Sony. Who knows when the trio of Shenmue, FF7 and Last Guardian is coming, but by showing them - Sony won E3.

Sony gets to win E3 the next three years just by bringing those games up again. I was stoked by the FF7 and Shenmue announcements until I realized that I'd be lucky to see either before I turn 30. Then I got fucking depressed. Every day we get one day closer to death, guys.

 

[DataGhost]

Yep. He literally is apologizing for lack of games for over 15 years now.

Lack of games or lack of games you yourself want?

 

[Shiggy]

If Iwata is telling investors that a big initiative will happen in a specific fiscal year, I think it'll happen.

Beware, this is Iwata. If there's one person who's known for being more talk than action, it's him.

Nintendo becomming a thirdparty would mean the end of most of these games, so yeah, that is the worst possible option.

Can it get worse than Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

No real 2D Mario -- Make your own 2D Mario!

Your other points were fair but I can't back this one, it actually looks like the ULTIMATE 2D Mario game.

 

[tesla246]

After reading those comments I finally put the finger on why that digital event felt so disturbing to me: I felt insulted watching it. They took what I love the most about Nintendo franchises and they made fun of it. They made fun of me.

SE introduced Kingdom hearts with a mobile title, but then moved on to KH3 footage. Sony introduced FF with World of FF, but then moved on to FFVII Remake. Those were scripted emotional events, bringing people's expectations down and then immediately rebounding so much higher.

Nintendo mentioned Star Fox (the lesser offender) and showed the crappiest textures on a WiiU title yet. Then they mentioned Zelda and showed a tiny filler DS title, and stopped there. Then they mentioned Metroid Prime, and showed a tiny filler DS title and stopped there. Then they mentioned WiiU Animal Crossing, and showed a party game with amiibo prereq. And then they mentioned a new WiiU mario game, and showed a tennis filler title.

They never rebounded from those low points. It was just a streak of low points. They took all the franchises people were expecting the most of, and they destroyed every one of them with insignificant filler titles.They didn't promise anything after those. They just showed the lesser version of everything, and then stopped.

I'm a die hard Nintendo fan, but I can't defend that. It feels like a terrible effort at content between 2 cycles. At that point I'm scared they redirected the next Zelda to be a launch title for the next system, along with a proper Metroid.

Yeah, this sums up the feelings I have pretty nicely. After iwata telling us this direct was focussed on 2015/early 2016 titles I kinda suspected no rather interesting new announcements (and certainly no Metroid Prime 4), but this was just brutal.
The titles today announced are just quick, low budget games to fill in the 2015 holiday gap (such as metroid prime 3ds, hyrule warriors port, mario tennis, animal crossing ''DLC'' etc.), and alltough they may be decent games, they were not the big announcements you'd hope for at an e3 event.

Another point that I am worried about is nintendo's ''collaboration titles'' and crossovers. They can work obviously gaining renewed popularity and reaching new heights with enthusiasm from fans. It can also, however, be an extremely polarizing title towards their fanbase and ultimately dividing them and/or damaging the brand, which is what happened with Metroid Other M. On that note, I am equelly worried for SMTxFE. I mean, it can still be a decent title, but I think I am save in assuming most of the (probably western) FE fans do not see anything worthwile in that crossover which benefits FE, aside from Japanese sales. Another example is the mario/mario&luigi crossover: if this leads to being a disappointing game it may end up damaging both those franchises to the point we may not see them for 5+years (like what Miyamoto did to dinasour planet/starfox adventures), certainly with how risky/expensive traditional game-development is nowadays, and how long it takes for nintendo to develop games.

What I want to say I guess is that Nintendo finds itself in a situation they do not know how to handle. Crossovers are just an easy way to give 2 franchises attention (thus appealing to 2 groups of fans, and thus more people) while developing only one game. However, if that game tends to be dissapointing or not work out quite in the way fans hoped for, you may end up damaging both brands. Also, all these low-budget spin-offs/titles are not healthy for the franchise long-term. I know I can no longer be excited regarding anything metroid. They crushed my metroid heart...twice.

 

[Aroll]

I don't completely disagree, but I don't like your dismissal of some of the games as "filler." A little early to be writing them off. I mean, the AC amiibo one can fuck off don't get me wrong.

That's just it - sure, you can "argue" games are filler if you want, but it's almost as if what - any game made for the 3DS is supposedly filler? That just doesn't jive with me.

What it felt like was this - we're just talking about 2015 games today. You want anything outside of Q1 2016 or earlier, you won't hear about it until end of the year or early next year. But we do have all these other new games. new metroid for 3DS, new Zelda for 3DS, etc.

It's not filler. It's just not the big Wii U games people wanted, but they look like pretty good games in their own right.

 

[shoryukens]

The muppets were the best part of the event.

It just left an impression that Nintendo is just done with the Wii U and they're just putting together whatever B tier game they could find to make end's meet.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The biggest WTF to me was no Rhythm Heaven The Best + announcement. Guess it is not going to get localized.

Yeah, seriously. I was legitimately bothered that they didn't even mention it. It would have been a B- instead of a C- just from that!

 

[Red Devil]

Do they get a shiny trophy???

Probably although PC deserves it...

 

[sora87]

I just have no idea how they thought them Metroid and AC games were a smart idea to announce at E3

 

[Ithil]

Please hire the Robot Chicken guys again. No need for meme puppets.

What the hell is a "meme puppet"?

 

[Father_Brain]

Again, Iwata's post refers to marketing as much as anything else. It doesn't have to be a new console, considering he himself stated that they already have the games with the accolades.

Also, If NX is coming so soon, when would third parties get to make games for it? They'd have to be convinced to get on board and get started like yesterday.

Without third parties, this is just another band-aid. They keep making new games, keep getting those great reviews, and what changes to make people buy them and buy the console besides it being a new console that the general audience didn't expect and wasn't ready for because they only just got Wii U, or Xbox, or PS4.

I don't think even Iwata is so deluded as to believe that the gaming business can be turned around merely with better marketing. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

And the big third parties aren't coming back, outside a few possible exceptions in Japan. They're gone. Best to accept that.

 

[krizzx]

Hype culture. The hypest announcements, like Shenmue 3 and Final Fantasy 7 are probably not coming out next year. We'll probably be seeing them at more E3's without the hype and shock.

But I did feel very happy for those who've been begging for these two. I've never played Shenmue or Final Fantasy VII. If the do HD ports for Shenmue, I'll likely pick them up. And FF VII R will be the first time I see that story unfold, although everyone and their mom has already spoiled Aeris' fate for me.

For Nintendo, it's like some else has said:

No real Zelda -- Here's four swords with four Links again.
No real Paper Mario ---here's Mario Luigi, with Paper guests
No real Metroid --here's a Metroid spin-off
No real 2D Mario -- Make your own 2D Mario!

Meh. I was also disappointed that Camelot is making another Mario Tennis. I'll buy it as I like the series, but I still want them to finish Golden Sun. It's stupid what they did to that series.

No English dub for Xenoblade Chronicles X previewed, so literally nothing new to see or hear. Fire Emblem is a cool series, but I'm not sure if I'm going to like fates. Voice acting wasn't too hot, and I hope the hero isn't a douche.

Yeah, just nothing to get hyped about. But I'm definately buying some Nintendo games this year.

For my PS4, the next game I want on it is Star Ocean V, and the Japanese version is end of this year, and next year for NA. Everything else that interests me on the platform is next year and beyond.

Actually, its just 3 now.

 

[El Topo]

Also, If NX is coming so soon, when would third parties get to make games for it? They'd have to be convinced to get on board and get started like yesterday.

People expecting 3rd party support are just setting themselves up for disappointment.

And the big third parties aren't coming back, outside a few possible exceptions in Japan. They're gone. Best to accept that.

I see little reason to expect things to be much different in Japan. Outside of mobile everything seems pretty dead there.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

I think this is right.

But I do think Nintendo is nearing SEGA territory with their off-gen shenanigans, especially now that mobile marginalizes the 3DS so much. Read: The End Is Near.

*sigh*

*Opens Nintendo's vaults with billions of dollars in liquid assets*

The only way the end is near is if Nintendo commits corporate suicide or somebody robs them blind. I think you're overreacting a BIIIT too much here.

Oh wait, but Nintendo had a crappy E3 event, so obviously they are TEH DOOOOOOOMED.

 

[dampflokfreund]

After reading those comments I finally put the finger on why that digital event felt so disturbing to me: I felt insulted watching it. They took what I love the most about Nintendo franchises and they made fun of it. They made fun of me.

SE introduced Kingdom hearts with a mobile title, but then moved on to KH3 footage. Sony introduced FF with World of FF, but then moved on to FFVII Remake. Those were scripted emotional events, bringing people's expectations down and then immediately rebounding so much higher.

Nintendo mentioned Star Fox (the lesser offender) and showed the crappiest textures on a WiiU title yet. Then they mentioned Zelda and showed a tiny filler DS title, and stopped there. Then they mentioned Metroid Prime, and showed a tiny filler DS title and stopped there. Then they mentioned WiiU Animal Crossing, and showed a party game with amiibo prereq. And then they mentioned a new WiiU mario game, and showed a tennis filler title.

They never rebounded from those low points. It was just a streak of low points. They took all the franchises people were expecting the most of, and they destroyed every one of them with insignificant filler titles.They didn't promise anything after those. They just showed the lesser version of everything, and then stopped.

I'm a die hard Nintendo fan, but I can't defend that. It feels like a terrible effort at content between 2 cycles. At that point I'm scared they redirected the next Zelda to be a launch title for the next system, along with a proper Metroid.

Good man, will someone send this post right to Iwata ?

 

[Tadpole]

I agree 100%. Great post.

This is all accurate.

 

[ArchedThunder]

How about instead of just making a better presentation for next year you also turn that abomination that is pretending to be a Metroid game into a real Metroid game.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I feel no sympathies for CEO's who have apologised for the same thing 5-6 cycles over. Especially when half of the Directs are this cult of personality crap and then no real actual announcements.

So the logic is:

- Not liking their current line up of games,
- Than hoping they go Third Party...
- ...So you could not like their games on other consoles

Its more a case of having to buy extra hardware to be disappointed. Nintendo make great games, no doubt, but the additional 200-300 dollars you gotta fork out on top for access is becoming hard/impossible to stomach. This will be mitigated by a hybrid, but by going the "whats the big deal with cutting edge power route" its not surprising consumers started wondering why they should bother with a company thats purposely not giving them the very best in hardware anymore.

 

[AaronB]

I loved the muppets bits and the developer diaries. I hope they keep doing things like that in their future presentations.

As far as content goes, there were some issues there. I think Star Fox and SMT x FE were hurt by not being real surprises. After that there was Mario Tennis (which I hope isn't more than $20) and Animal Crossing, which didn't look compelling. That's about it for Wii U.

It's actually fine for me because I don't buy new games every month and I also have a pc, but for people who only have a Wii U and want multiple major releases each month it's not a good situation.

 

[Putosaure]

Looking at that Digital Event banner with the Muppet faces makes me kinda sad that there was no major announcement. Nintendo are so good at having fun of themselves. The presentation was brilliant, really. High hopes.

 

[SigSig]

No real Zelda -- Here's four swords with four Links again.
No real Paper Mario ---here's Mario Luigi, with Paper guests
No real Metroid --here's a Metroid spin-off
No real 2D Mario -- Make your own 2D Mario!

I can understand the Metroid one. Really, I can. The other three, though? Jesus.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

I want to give Iwata a hug

 

[EulaCapra]

On the upside to all this, at least Wii U won't suffer a Fall/Winter drought this year!

I mean, Nintendo showed that fact in the most sleep-inducing way possible, but there's that!

 

[Hatchtag]

If Iwata is telling investors that a big initiative will happen in a specific fiscal year, I think it'll happen.

Whether it's successful is, of course, an entirely different question.

I think it's pretty clear they're going to swap the Wii U out with the NX next year. They said they weren't going to focus on late 2016 Wii U games, and I think that's really clearly the reason for it. Just look at what was shown for the Wii U for 2015 at last E3 vs what was shown for 2016 at this E3
Shown for 2015 last year:
-Splatoon
-Mario Maker
-Zelda
-Star Fox
-Mario Party 10
-Xenoblade X
-Kirby's Rainbow Curse
-Yarn Yoshi
Shown for 2016 this year:
-#FE

Even though they did say this year they didn't intend to show late 2016 stuff, they wouldn't have suddenly had such a shift unless they had a reason for it.

 

[Metalmarc]

I have an idea about the NX for some times now and maybe this conference furthered the idea in my mind
When they mentioned Transforming.

What if, NX is

Dual handheld and home console?

The Handheld gaming part

Kinda like the WiiU gamepad part but now you can take the offscreen gamepad controller with you as if it was a 3DS It would be a Bit bigger than a 3DS XL and a little bit smaller than the WiiU gamepad.

If they completely restructured the way the E shop and network works, so it's easier to buy, download and transfer games around the place, you could download games from the network to the home console and onto your handhelds SD cards to take with you (think like how you can have ps1 games on the vita and ps3)

The physical games would be on a Card like current DS games, there's card slot in the console and the handheld device. (Think how you can put vita cards in the vita tv and vita) all you do is pop the game out of the console, pop it in the back of the hand held and away you go.

The console

Slim console that takes cards that are like the 3Ds ones but high capacity, these can be taken and put in the hand held to take with you as explained above

The controllers now are basically a 3ds Crossed with the wiiU gamepad but newly NX designed, it also comes packed in with the WiiU Pro controller, which can control the entire O.S without the need for the handheld N.X part.

The system would be available to buy separately or together but only need need to buy the games once.
So if you buy the console (packed with a pro controller) and decide to buy the handheld later you already have the games and vice versa. Or you can just buy the big bundle of console and handheld in one package


Kind of in a weird way what the WiiU should have already been in my opinion.

 

[Oregano]

I don't know about dev kits, but I know that third parties at least have target specs for Nintendo's next handheld as of a few months back. And who knows if the home console will be much different. From the way Iwata talks, he wants to target different form factors at different regions. There are a few possibilities there...

I think people are going to gloss over this but this is niiice. I reckon some like Capcom probably already have kits.

 

[MisterGrey3000]

In spite of the hokey yet incredibly charming puppet segments and the nicely filmed mini-docs, It was a relatively dull presentation from a software perspective.
At this point it should be incredibly clear that Nintendo's focus is on the future, and rightfully so (Among many other things, I'm really hoping that the NX signals that they finally and totally understand that the young male-centric market is a complete death trap for them.)

I mean...I really don't envy Iwata right now.
It's good that he's seen the feedback, but at the same time...he is a human being and certain parts of the gaming enthusiast community can be quite childish and vitriolic when they're displeased(especially around E3 time)

Honestly, I wish it was feasible for Nintendo to just skip E3 sometimes; if they know they can't put on an exciting show for any number of reasons, they shouldn't really need or have to go.
Stuff like the Co-op Fashion-based Zelda, the Animal Crossing Party game, and that Metroid spin-off would most likely be received way better in "out-of-the-blue" style small directs rather than E3 headliners.
Hell while I'm on it, I'd like if they just opted out of the E3 altogether and do big digital events on their own time...but again I'm not sure that's feasible considering they're not a privately owned company like Valve.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Actually, exactly like that. Except not 2 years into the cycle, but 6. So...



I think this is right.

But I do think Nintendo is nearing SEGA territory with their off-gen shenanigans, especially now that mobile marginalizes the 3DS so much. Read: The End Is Near.

This gen is the end of traditional console gaming for Nintendo. I have no doubt about it. Whatever NX is, it will be something different. Not a new motion controller. Not VR.

Honestly, I would not be surprised if Nintendo are working on the NX as an OS and choose to license out hardware manufacturing to different companies, like they did w/ the Gamecube and Panasonic Q. That way if someone wants a mobile device w/ a 6 inch 4k screen, LG or whoever can take the hit with no risk to Nintendo. They've already compared their next gen to iOS/Android. Only one of those OSs has an exclusive manufacturer behind it.

 

[Meier]

I think it's sad he thinks that he has to say that. It was okay, far from something to be ashamed off.

Disagree. It WAS something to be ashamed of. It would have been fine in a Nintendo Direct in the middle of August or something, but E3 is an event that their competitors and collaborators all seemingly took far, far more seriously. The Wii U in particular is absolutely running on fumes and they didn't even show off Zelda? Not even a taste? That was lunacy.

It's a shame because honestly the Mario stuff was very interesting but it was not the time nor the place for it especially after Nintendo set a very high bar last year. I immediately turned it off after the event because I was so disappointed.. last year I was very curious about the Treehouse stuff that followed.