http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=779516
most people didn't think this game could have been kickstarted, much less funded, by a games studio period.
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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=779516
most people didn't think this game could have been kickstarted, much less funded, by a games studio period.
(i love linking this thread)
StrongBlackVine
Banned
That is not entirely true. Bloodborne isn't hitting PC.
maquiladora
Member
The PC version of Bayonetta 2 was awesome.
Dreamwriter
Member
They are in fact obligated to complete the project, if the completed project is a pledge reward. Kickstarter rules state that all prizes must be awarded no matter what. If a company doesn't deliver, the people who Kickstarted it have a good case to sue the company. Admittedly, the Kickstarter rules do not say anything about quality, completion level, good use of the funds, so if something isn't working out, the developers could hack an ending onto the game as-is and give that to the pledgers.
berval
Member
How many times is this question going to be asked?
RPGCrazied
Member
Awesome, now do the first 2 games too. I want a collection!
Unfortunately you can't properly gauge interest in such a long dormant franchise by just asking around in forums. Talk is cheap. Kickstarter lets a publisher know that people are willing to put their money where their mouth is. While this was less than entirely transparent of them, it wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together when you saw the goal amounts and the console exclusivity, and it should be clear that this game was definitely NOT getting made unless something unusual and drastic happened. Kickstarter is an opportunity for that.
I don't see why it's gross for Shenmue but not gross for Bloodstained or any other company that has used a similar tactic.
StrangeTaco
Member
Not super surprising, glad to see the game is going to be made with a full budget honestly.
Also really enjoying this new trend of console exclusivity while porting to the PC, will definitely support Sony/Microsoft if they continue this trend.
Also really enjoying this new trend of console exclusivity while porting to the PC, will definitely support Sony/Microsoft if they continue this trend.
Well, of course, we're not sure of the exact amount being put into the game, considering as how Shenmue II cost $47 million to make, if this game is truly going to be the next game in the franchise, I would think it'd be getting a similar budget.
They do. And those beancounters came up with the reasonable conclusion that Shenmue is a money loser. That's why they went to Kickstarter to see if it's still worthwhile to make the game.
HammerFace
Banned
And what about when this method is used for actual risky games. Things big publishers would normally ignore because it's safer to just make another call of duty? I think it has its perks and merits, letting us vote on what games we actually want to see. Rather than them just assuming it's not worth it to spend their money on risky games.
PixyJunket
Member
Yup. I also think it will hurt future video game Kickstarters if this becomes a thing with Sony, Microsoft, EA, Activision, etc.
But whatever, video games aren't my main use of Kickstarter, so if it burns itself down, I (probably?) won't be too bothered with it.
I must have missed where Nintendo asked for crowd-funding for Bayonetta 2. Link?
dugdug
Banned
Yeah, all those people who bought it for $30 now get to pay $60. Great idea.
RichiRamjag
Member
Petitions are typically useless and get little attention.
Digital-Hero
Member
This thread needs more....
Owner of Shenmue I and II on Dreamcast.
Yes, I said this was shady from the start. If business arrangements are already in place, the full details should be added to the KS page immediately. I've Kickstarted games before where the funding was 'to gauge interest' but in those cases there was no existing agreement with a publisher.
How much are Sony contributing? How much would it have taken take to get Sega involved? $10 million, $20 million, $50 million?
I have a far bigger problem with the apologists calling the rest of us 'whiners' when they have no more idea about the circumstances of the deal than the rest of us.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
And what? It means they still have nothing to do with this game besides handing over money and resources. This isn't boxed for Sony Computer Entertainment Studios.
This is boxed under who ever this mysterious publisher for this game will be. What are you not understanding. Sony does not OWN this
AwakenedCloud
Member
Hence why I used the word role instead of obligation, and why I mentioned the risk involved with kickstarter later. It's by no means a guarantee, but this is a low risk project since Sony is involved so I felt that it was a worthwhile project to fund.
The Silver
Member
People need to understand it's been over a fucking decade since Shenmue 2, a full blown Shenmue 3 would cost a shit ton of money and they had no idea if it was still a viable franchise to revive. Petitions and forum/twitter posts don't mean shit, you gotta out your money where your mouth is and kickstarter is the ultimate form of that.
Give me a goddamn Onimusha 5 kickstarter, it's the only way it's gonna get made nowadays.
Give me a goddamn Onimusha 5 kickstarter, it's the only way it's gonna get made nowadays.
PdotMichael
Banned
Crazy talk. There were more than enough publishers which were ready to pay for it but they just waited until Kickatarter became a thing and to lose unecessary money this way.
amstradcpc
Member
Sony, next year make the same with Crash Bandicoot!.We must hunt another unicorn!.
It's not like the $10,000 tier is the only option for people.
FreddieQuell
Member
How will it hurt them. Please do explain.
brianmcdoogle
Member
It was obvious from the start, so hopefully this means there will be a physical PS4 release, which means I will withhold donating to the kickstarter.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
When someone makes a post like this, the mods should demand they provide the names of two specific users (because "people" is plural) who have praised one company and bashed another for the same action. If the poster cannot do this, they should be banned.
PJV3
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GitarooMan
Member
Eh, I understand that line of thinking, but I think it's entirely that this will exist on a slightly smaller scale while still delivering the story and gameplay that people want. I really don't think this is going to exist on a 50+ million scale. Would this studio even be able to support a project like that?
Partly this...
I fail to see how the support of 30k backers make a big difference in the decision of doing or not doing a game. It's not "hey, we'd like to throw 20 million in a game, let's see whether it'll be a success by asking to a couple ten thousands fans if they'll buy it".
I can see a publisher investing as much (or twice as much) the money gathered by the kickstarter for a game (like the recent Igavania, and that still remain to be seen whether they'll really invest 5-6 millions), but not tens of millions.
Either (A) it's a test to see whether there's demand, and they'll throw several millions (but not tens of millions).
Or (B) the kickstarter is just clever marketing (and not interest check) and their intent has always been to invest tens of millions no matter what, because the kickstarter can't tell them much about the outcome of the project.
I can understand the first situation, but not too fond of the second strategy (and to people saying Shenmue III wouldn't exist without the kickstarter, I don't think it's obvious if it's the (B) case here... but at the same time, I'm leaning towards (A) ).
Bloodborne is a little different as Sony owns the IP and publishes the game. These other third party games that also come to PC aren't games that are owned by Sony or published by them.
Patapwn
Member
Because this isn't Sony using kickstarter to fund their own game, this is Ys Net going to kickstarter to fund their own game.
See the difference?
Is something wrong with what I said?
Lys Skygge
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This thread is entertaining
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TrebuchetGames
Member
We don't know what Sony's involvement is, but if it's some form of cash I say Sony should just back out and let the game be made with a few million $ and those complaining can take a worse game ... I mean what are people expecting out of a game made with a few million $... if they were expecting a big game which is anything like the originals I think they need to re-evaluate their knowledge of game dev (let me point you in the direction of double fine and how much they spent on Broken Age for an adventure game).
HoodWinked
Member
honestly they should just have some transparency from the beginning.
but really its good that sony did this because the shit storm involved if ms did the same thing would have been so disproportionate.
but really its good that sony did this because the shit storm involved if ms did the same thing would have been so disproportionate.
Guys, what if you have it all backwards ?
My guess is that Yu was going to launch a KS campaign for Shenmue 3 anyway. He already has the rights, he doesn't need anyone. And he was probably motivated by all the recent success like Bloodstained. And they would have campaigned for a PC only release (look at the KS campaign, the emphasis is completely on PC, not PS4).
Sony heard of this and went to Yu. They offered to give them E3 exposure and offered to pitch in for the financing on the condition that 1/ the goal is reacher and 2/ the game comes to PS4 as a console exclusive.
And that's pretty much it. It completely makes sense.
My guess is that Yu was going to launch a KS campaign for Shenmue 3 anyway. He already has the rights, he doesn't need anyone. And he was probably motivated by all the recent success like Bloodstained. And they would have campaigned for a PC only release (look at the KS campaign, the emphasis is completely on PC, not PS4).
Sony heard of this and went to Yu. They offered to give them E3 exposure and offered to pitch in for the financing on the condition that 1/ the goal is reacher and 2/ the game comes to PS4 as a console exclusive.
And that's pretty much it. It completely makes sense.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
I'm assuming "we'll help fund it" is a tougher bargaining position than "we'll fund and publish it".
Any legitimate meltdowns yet, i.e. "Arrogant Sony" stuff?
I can't keep up.
I read "this is a scam by Sony" and "people are being exploited" even though the game is being offered for $30.
Close enough?
This. When someone's asking the difference between Uncharted and Shenmue as franchises, it's time to bail.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
considering you are getting a copy of the game from whatever you decide to put into the kickstarter, there's not much you are being "scammed" on here.
2 million is a laughable amount to fund a game like this. it wasnt getting made for 2 million. it needs 10 times or more than that amount.
2 million is a laughable amount to fund a game like this. it wasnt getting made for 2 million. it needs 10 times or more than that amount.
joecanada
Member
yes and do you know of other ways to gauge legitimate interest without spending a shitload on market research and while actually creating some working captial for the project?
I'll wait, I have a pen and paper.
FreddieQuell
Member
I don't mean to be pedantic (I think that's the right word) but why does any of that matter? Backers get the game for less than the retail price and it wouldn't have been made without them.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
No stop!!!!!! You're being exploited!! Let me be your knight in shining armor and save you from this!!
This thread is bonkers. I am out.
Same. If people want to drown in their own salt just because they can't use their brain and think reasonably, that's their choice. What a shitshow over what should be fantastic news to fans of the series.