Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate
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Audioboxer
Member
This seems like the kind of shit that CD Projekt Red would hand out for free in their free DLC campaign...
Crooked16th
Banned
Is this a joke I don't get how Emotes and Shaders are worth $20. Hell I don't even think TTK is worth $40.
Same here.
Joe is now back at Microsoft working as a creative director for Xbox, Windows 10, and Hololens.
Marty is starting a game company.
What happened?
Everyone was so excited about a company that basically defined console online gaming and look what happened.
How the hell is it "bad reporting" to make an interview transcript?
nobodyshero
Banned
this is the truly sad part, that people think this.
if you take anything away from all of this, let it be this; 95% of these decisions are Activision
I don't recall them ever saying the House of Wolves would feature a Raid.
BlastProcessing
Member
They didn't quote him out of context. They didn't ask him a gotcha question. Quoting someone is not bad journalism.
What he said came off as blunt, insensitive and out of touch with the fanbase because what he said was blunt, insensitive and out of touch with the fanbase.
The primary problem with them, the first in particular, was the value prop. Upgrading to the $60 edition means you get the first two for $20, basically half price, which is actually pretty good for a lot of content (and the HoW in particular is excellent). Reasonable people can disagree about whether the combination of TTK and the first two is worth $60, of course. (Though we don't yet know what TTK entails.)
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Well to be fair, that's what was the original source of the problem was. Fans complaining about not getting the "special items" from the new collector's edition.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Because it removes any of the context. It's not as bad as simply taking quotes and misrepresenting what someone is saying, but it is not explaining the tone of the conversation.
The fact that the EG guy went on twitter to defend Luke Smith the day after clearly shows that he knows that people are misinterpreting his interview.
SmartWaffles
Member
Keeps digging.
The Faceless Master
Member
if that's an apology, i don't want to see them when they're angry.
Which is why the multitude of posts saying "TTK isn't even worth $40" come off as completely silly.
NullPointer
Member
They became storefronts and teases for up-sells and cross-sells. Not since the days of plugging quarters into arcades has the actual prices involved been so upfront a part of the process. We literally need spreadsheets to break down all the editions and retailer exclusives and pre-orders and promotions, etc - and now we have one heavy hitting game pushing a multi-year DLC strategy we haven't really seen on the consoles.
Shit is crazy all around but Destiny and its ruthlessly ambitious ten year plan is something else.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They say that because they haven't outlined any details and the previous DLC for 40 dollars has been terrible.
I mean, when he was talking to Brad Shoemaker from Giant Bomb, he was making fun of him for still using the Suros. Am I supposed to be offended that he attacked a journalist? No, because it's all in good fun and that's just how he is. None of that is there in the EG interview, and I have to assume that everything he said was in the same tone given everything that I know about Luke Smith.
So wait, you're calling the piece bad reporting because they didn't add a "don't worry, Luke was just joking" at the end of their interview?
bigwinnerx
Member
Fuck Luke Smith.
Fuck Activision.
Fuck Destiny.
I'm out.
Fuck Activision.
Fuck Destiny.
I'm out.
Yea, but TTK has a new destination, 3 new classes, and a new raid. If that's all there is, ok, not worth $40, but we don't know that.
Most people here don't seem to have an issue with Luke's apology, just the hilariously high price for the collector's edition stuff.
BlastProcessing
Member
I don't think it's disguised at all, really.
Bornstellar
Member
People also said we didn't know of everything that Destiny had in it before it came out. Except it turns out we did.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I can't believe they want me to pay $94 for TTK + upgrade.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yes, because - and perhaps I am being overly cynical here - they wanted an antagonistic article to get free clicks.
Again, the fact that the interviewer tried to defend Luke Smith after the fact shows that there was nothing malicious in the interview. He said it was "Good natured", iirc. It's just the way it was presented.
sturgboski
Member
It was implied that it would and it was originally going to until they removed it to add to TTK. At least, that is the implication as they said they removed it to release it this fall, coincidentally when the TTK is releasing. They have not said if it will be free to owners of HoW but, seeing the pricing model and this non-apology pricing, i would say no, it wont be free and it will be the TTK raid.
Fine, the author should have inserted "j/k" in there. Whatever. He still said what he said, gave shit answers to the interview and then the follow up from Deej was even more insulting. Deej basically said "I hear your complaints, but the CE is already sold out and going for twice what we were charging on eBay, so *shrug*."
xplicitone
Member
I think it's worth $5, guessed it was going to be $10 because reasons. And Lol. I'll keep my $20, thanks though. The sad part is at $10 I would have bit.
Crooked16th
Banned
Destiny wasn't even worth $60 when it launched as well.
Not being sarcastic does not equate to "robot automatons who are emotionless PR spouting machines." There's no reason he couldn't have been personable without being sarcastic. It isn't an either-or type scenario. He shouldn't have brought that kind of humor to the table knowing it could backfire. Do you think he interviewed at Bungie like that? No. He knows when to turn it off and when to keep it on, and he made a mistake in doing so.
Interesting... I guess I'll wait for reviews at this point. So the 60$ digital package includes ttk and both expansions... At this point I think I would buy the disc which includes the base game too and sell my original copy or something. It just feels weird to basically rebuy the game. I wish they'd make things simpler, I think I would prefer regular annual releases at this point.
Hidden One
Member
Exactly. It's pretty much "ah yes a way to make more money hehehehehee suckers"
Whales are incapable of waiting a year. That's why they're whales.
Because then you don't get the experience of battling Swordbearer Hive Knights on Earth in patrol mode.
Literally the example that Lukems used to justify it lol
Poodlestrike
Banned
I dunno about "completely." Premature, sure. We should wait and see exactly what's in it.
But it's not such a stretch to assume that it's not going to be anything terribly impressive.
EDIT: On topic, the apology is nice, and I get that it was basically just him misspeaking. That's all fine. The 20 dollar price point is straight up bonkers, though. "Our players are used to paying a premium for DLC content" indeed.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Le Sigh... i was trying to stay positive as a big group of my friends are still very into Destiny and HoW and still run Crota a couple times a month and invite me along to run sword but... fuck son.
I'm out.
I'm out.
rokkerkory
Member
Wait so only half asshat then? @ $20?
it's 155$ not 100$ so we're here talking about the price of 2 new games at launch with full price and 35$ to save for a third game also at launch with full price. You might find that the money-to-value is good in Destiny and what have you got justifies the amount of money you payed but for me and for many others in the thread it doesn't by any means. If they offered all of this for 100$ I might have accept it but to charge 155$ and then talk about "we care about our loyal fans" is bullshit to me. And for the full picture they did that to themselves. They had the respect of many people and they lost it because of their actions. If they want to blame someone they have no one but themselves to blame, and how does the campaign length not matter exactly? If the campaign was double then you would have had some hours of content to play. Just because you played for X number of hours doesn't make a few more hours of content any less significant.
And whales can swim away.
Orochinagis
Member
Pretty much, Bungie havent changed the prices anyway you have to pay $80 still if you want.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
I just don't see how this company keeps taking so many missteps on handling this game, its story, its features, and its future content.
This game literally feels like the anti-WoW. Every time a new piece of content is announced, a very loud and painful groan can be heard from its community because either the content itself is lacking or the price of said content is simply too much for your average consumer.
Even when doing damage control, they dance around the fact that the pricing of said content combined is the same price as a physical copy. I would like to jump in on this game and it's content. I still like Bungie as a company. I have not purchased anything related to destiny yet. I know that his apology comes from a place of sincerity but when reading between the lines and seeing the price, it just feels insulting to consumers' intelligence and also insulting to the image Bungie upheld up until now. I just don't understand what is going on over there, with them and/or Activision. I want someone to help me understand.
It makes me go back to the rant Jeff from Giantbomb had about this game, the year it came out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TIrS7ukyk If they keep going in this direction I can see Jeff updating this rant for this year as well.
This game literally feels like the anti-WoW. Every time a new piece of content is announced, a very loud and painful groan can be heard from its community because either the content itself is lacking or the price of said content is simply too much for your average consumer.
Even when doing damage control, they dance around the fact that the pricing of said content combined is the same price as a physical copy. I would like to jump in on this game and it's content. I still like Bungie as a company. I have not purchased anything related to destiny yet. I know that his apology comes from a place of sincerity but when reading between the lines and seeing the price, it just feels insulting to consumers' intelligence and also insulting to the image Bungie upheld up until now. I just don't understand what is going on over there, with them and/or Activision. I want someone to help me understand.
It makes me go back to the rant Jeff from Giantbomb had about this game, the year it came out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TIrS7ukyk If they keep going in this direction I can see Jeff updating this rant for this year as well.