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[Zakalwe]

More snark. It's not appreciated, considering I acknowledged the necessity of viewpoints different from mine, the the very post you decided to get snarky in. And agreed that differing tolerances are a thing too.

But I guess I haven't been paying enough attention to get the point.

Apologies, it's getting tiring in this thread and I'm probably not conducting myself well.

My recomendation to you is to read up on the various issues this game has had since launch, of the poor choices Bungie have made with their development and communication, of the stuff surrounding it all like pricing issues and shitty promotions.

Then you might understand why this DLC is the final straw for many people.

So tell me which steps back they've taken.

I actually edited that post seconds after writing it to better articulate what I meant ( you can see this as it's changed without the "edited by" message).

The point I wanted to make is: they don't seem to be learning from their mistakes.

 

[PooBone]

I've been thinking about CDPR's philosophy towards its customers and comparing it with Bungie's and the difference is just amazing.

Staggering, even.

 

[Pakesaker]

I actually recently got back into Destiny after seeing and reading about the new expansion this fall. Then all this drama started and it is really turning me off of the whole thing. $20 for a few aesthetic items is disgusting, and seriously on the level of Oblivion's Horse Armor.

I don't mind buying DLC for games that I enjoy, but this kind of nonsense should be called out. Especially because they are positioning it as a goodwill gesture after their original plan. $5 is reasonable, $10 is probably too high for most, and $20 is downright embarrassing.

 

[Two Words]

You don't have to buy it if you don't want it. The main issue was that you had to buy the collector's edition to get these items before. People that already own destiny were getting rocked by that $80 price. Now if you like, you can buy the collector's edition stuff for $20 on its own. This is what people wanted.

And I'm not "people". I am perfectly able to independently give my own criticism. Some people's criticism was that there was no buying option. My criticism is that this $20 buying option is ridiculous and doubly so when you consider it is the price of an expansion and given during an apology.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

They are already giving free vanity items to the dedicated "season 1" player base.

Woop-dee-doo. I guess I should be thrilled that Bungie dropped a carrot in front of the horse's cart for a specific chunk of the player base?

Again, look at CDPR and look back at this pile of shit. No year one BS, no nickel and dime. 8 weeks of free DLC, two major expansions. That's it.

 

[PooBone]

Remember when this was an extra $5?

 

[Mass Appeal]

God you all love to whine like a bunch of man-babies.

Only legit complaint here is the UK pricing, that does suck but not the first time it's happened and isn't exclusive to Destiny.

Everybody whined when the cosmetic DLC wasn't included then whined fucking harder when it was but had to pay for it. Well guess what? This isn't a fucking charity non-profit we're talking about and people will buy the shit out of it.

Do you know why?

Because they find value in it.

I've played the game for about 700 hours and love hopping on with friends, shooting the shit and having a good time with the raids, POE or PVP. We got a raid night tonight and we've done it tons of times and we'll still have a great time tonight. Now that extra $80.00, $100 or even $200 expansion will be worth it for me. The time to dollar ratio is a value for me because of the time and enjoyment I get out of the game.

Now bitch and complain all you want about everything Destiny related even if you've never played it or set it on fire because of this outrage but at the end of the day, if you don't want it and don't find value in it then don't fucking buy it.

The consistent whining and shitting on it gets really fucking old.

Best post in this thread. Destiny gets way too much fucking hate on GAF for a game that does a lot right. So many other games out there IMO don't have the content and replay value destiny has. So many other games out there push dlc down our throats yet Destiny gets all the hate.

I have over 800 hours in this game and have had no problem with the pricing, content, or mechanics. Sure they started out rough with the vanilla and the stupid upgrade system of TDB but they have changed all that and made the game way less of a grind. They listen to the players a lot and the game how it is shows that.

It's funny Destiny feels like the most hated game of GAF just because people gave it crap from the start but like most of those people, they are clearly uninformed how the game is today. The also does have a huge following here on GAF as the OT has become the biggest community thread on GAF surpassing Halo. The game is clearly doing something right for it to have as many fans as it does.

$40 for TTK and $20 Extra for all cosmetic stuff is not a bad price at all for how many hours the game will keep me busy. Destiny has saved me more money actually because I don't buy other games anymore... I don't even feel like buying witcher 3 or batman because they both looked boring to me.

 

[PooBone]

Best post in this thread. Destiny gets way too much fucking hate on GAF for a game that does a lot right. So many other games out there IMO don't have the content and replay value destiny has. So many other games out there push dlc down our throats yet Destiny gets all the hate.

I have over 800 hours in this game and have had no problem with the pricing, content, or mechanics. Sure they started out rough with the vanilla and the stupid upgrade system of TDB but they have changed all that and made the game way less of a grind. They listen to the players a lot and the game how it is shows that.

It's funny Destiny feels like the most hated game of GAF just because people gave it crap from the start but like most of those people, they are clearly uninformed how the game is today. The also does have a huge following here on GAF as the OT has become the biggest community thread on GAF surpassing Halo. The game is clearly doing something right for it to have as many fans as it does.

$40 for TTK and $20 Extra for all cosmetic stuff is not a bad price at all for how many hours the game will keep me busy. Destiny has saved me more money actually because I don't buy other games anymore... I don't even feel like buying witcher 3 or batman because they both looked boring to me.

Good for you man. That's an awesome boat to be in.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

So it's as bad as I thought. Not spending $20 on emotes and class items. Holy shit.

Thanks guys.

 

[Homeboyd]

And I'm not "people". I am perfectly able to independently give my own criticism. Some people's criticism was that there was no buying option. My criticism is that this $20 buying option is ridiculous and doubly so when you consider it is the price of an expansion and given during an apology.

Right but you said you didn't understand the goal posting comments...

Sure it doesn't make sense for your argument since you claim it's been the same all along. But the majority of the complaints have changed from one thing (not having an option to buy ce stuff without having to rebuy stuff they own) to (well I can buy it now, but I don't want to bc it's too expensive).

We're just helping you understand why people are claiming the goal post thing is happening.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I've been thinking about CDPR's philosophy towards its customers and comparing it with Bungie's and the difference is just amazing.

Right? It's nuts.

Good for you man. That's an awesome boat to be in.

"Destiny has saved me money because of how awesome it is" oof, wow. Almost as good as "Destiny has great social features because it's forced me to use the internet to find friends to play with!"

 

[Fury451]

I disagree they are doing a good job of listening to the community, I don't see how you can say they are tone deaf about things when they are specifying hitting on things that are complaints in the community.

They're approach to listening to year one players was "Oh, you are right, here's a chance to now give us $60 instead of $40 for content that could be free as a thanks".

I'm not into gamers being "entitled" to content either, it's just that this is a laughable situation, and they seem pretty remorseless about it despite their apology. Not a great sign of things to come.

 

[Interfectum]

I've been thinking about CDPR's philosophy towards its customers and comparing it with Bungie's and the difference is just amazing.

To be fair, you could compare CDPR to just about any other dev and the difference would still be amazing.

 

[LifEndz]

$40 for TTK and $20 Extra for all cosmetic stuff is not a bad price at all for how many hours the game will keep me busy. Destiny has saved me more money actually because I don't buy other games anymore... I don't even feel like buying witcher 3 or batman because they both looked boring to me.

This is just amazing. It's almost like we should thank Bungie for only selling TTK for 40 bucks. I mean, when you extrapolate the price over the amount of time you'll spend playing it, it's the bargain of the century!

 

[yodathesoda]

They're approach to listening to year one players was "Oh, you are right, here's a chance to now give us $60 instead of $40 for content that could be free as a thanks".

I'm not into gamers being "entitled" to content either, it's just that this is a laughable situation, and they seem pretty remorseless about it despite their apology. Not a great sign of things to come.

You do know that they are giving long time players free content as a thanks right?

Also technically everything could be free but businesses enjoy making profit.

 

[Zakalwe]

Right but you said you didn't understand the goal posting comments...

Sure it doesn't make sense for your argument since you claim it's been the same all along. But the majority of the complaints have changed from one thing (not having an option to buy ce stuff without having to rebuy stuff they own) to (well I can buy it now, but I don't want to bc it's too expensive).

We're just helping you understand why people are claiming the goal post thing is happening.

That isn't moving the goalpost, that's something else they're upset about.

 

[PooBone]

They're approach to listening to year one players was "Oh, you are right, here's a chance to now give us $60 instead of $40 for content that could be free as a thanks".

I'm not into gamers being "entitled" to content either, it's just that this is a laughable situation, and they seem pretty remorseless about it despite their apology. Not a great sign of things to come.

My feelings from another's words.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

You don't have to buy it if you don't want it. The main issue was that you had to buy the collector's edition to get these items before. People that already own destiny were getting rocked by that $80 price. Now if you like, you can buy the collector's edition stuff for $20 on its own. This is what people wanted.

No, it wasn't. The main issue was, for the umpteenth time, was that the CE (and most variants iirc) required purchasing the Year 1 releases again. There were also those who felt entitled as Year 1 players to have those instead of what the Year 1 rewards were, but those seemed few and far between in comparison to the greater issue.

Again, I feel like some folks here are being purposefully obtuse about this in order to defend a company.

 

[benicillin]

I've been thinking about CDPR's philosophy towards its customers and comparing it with Bungie's and the difference is just amazing.

This would be a more apt comparison if Bungie was more or less an independent studio like CDPR is. They don't get to set prices or anything, guys, Activision does.

 

[PooBone]

Right? It's nuts.



"Destiny has saved me money because of how awesome it is" oof, wow. Almost as good as "Destiny has great social features because it's forced me to use the internet to find friends to play with!"

Some people are happy being "busy" with a game instead of necessarily being entertained by it. If that's the case, more power to them. It'll certainly save lots of $ in the long run. I play as many different games as I can afford (160 hours into Witcher 3 now) and take special care to avoid the ones that will leave me feeling wallet-raped. I'm someone who bought every collector's edition of every Halo game that came out, had Destiny with the season pass preordered but actually removed it the day before launch to just get the standard edition because reviews had hit early informing me this game was not quite what I'd been sold on.

 

[nobodyshero]

The hilarious part about all of this is that the physical stuff in the $80 collectors edition looks infinitely more appealing than the digital stuff, and no one seems to care at all about not getting that.

Some people are happy being "busy" with a game instead of necessarily being entertained by it. If that's the case, more power to them.

Kinda dickish to put words in the guys mouth and just assume he's not actually entertained by it. Especially since he said multiple times the opposite.

 

[neogaffer1]

Remember when this was an extra $5?

Is that a Halo 2 slushie in the corner?

 

[benicillin]

No, it wasn't. The main issue was, for the umpteenth time, was that the CE (and most variants iirc) required purchasing the Year 1 releases again. There were also those who felt entitled as Year 1 players to have those instead of what the Year 1 rewards were, but those seemed few and far between in comparison to the greater issue.

Again, I feel like some folks here are being purposefully obtuse about this in order to defend a company.

So isn't that solved? You don't have to get the Year 1 releases to get the CE content now, at least digitally.

 

[LifEndz]

This would be a more apt comparison if Bungie was more or less an independent studio like CDPR is. They don't get to set prices or anything, guys, Activision does.

Do we know this for a fact? Didn't they leave MS to have more control over things? I wanna say a major dispute was being forced to charge more than they wanted to for Halo content.

Granted, I realize that what you said is true of most devs and publishers, but Bungie's situation (free agency) was different in that they had a huge hit on their resume. Are we certain they're simply following orders on this stuff?

 

[blue_phazon]

So isn't that solved? You don't have to get the Year 1 releases to get the CE content now, at least digitally.

Yeah but people are upset with the price

 

[PooBone]

Kinda dickish to put words in the guys mouth and just assume he's not actually entertained by it. Especially since he said multiple times the opposite.

I'm speaking about people, not individuals. We all derive entertainment in different ways. i wasn't the one who used the word "busy."

 

[-griffy-]

You don't have to buy it if you don't want it. The main issue was that you had to buy the collector's edition to get these items before. People that already own destiny were getting rocked by that $80 price. Now if you like, you can buy the collector's edition stuff for $20 on its own. This is what people wanted.

That's not exactly what people wanted though. They wanted to feel like the time and money they've already invested in the game was being respected.

I think people felt the digital version of The Taken King, that specifically exists for people who already own Destiny and the first two DLC, should come with the bonuses. That was the ideal scenario. Or have some equivalent standalone collector's edition that is $45-50.

$20 more just seems too expensive to ask of the loyal players. It doesn't feel reasonable, but still exploitative. You are asking them to spend a total of between $140-160 total on the game after the release of The Taken King, when new players can just spend $80 and get everything.

It's communicating to the player base that they know they are addicted and will just spend the money regardless, so they don't really have to do the right thing. The sad reality is Bungie can hem and haw in interviews and say they are listening and are "actively working to make your voices heard," or whatever weird phrasing Deej will pull in the latest update, while in the end not fully committing. Because some of the die-hards will enthusiastically pay whatever Bungie asks, and some will begrudgingly pay while acknowledging they are being taken advantage of, and those who actually quit won't matter in the long run because Bungie/Activision will still make their money.

 

[Green Yoshi]

So $20 for emotes and shaders or am I reading it wrong?

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

 

[benicillin]

Do we know this for a fact? Didn't they leave MS to have more control over things? Granted, I realize that what you said is true of most devs and publishers, but Bungie's situation (free agency) was different in that they had a huge hit on their resume. Are we certain they're simply following orders on this stuff?

All those court documents leaked that gave out a lot of the details of Bungie's agreement with Activision, but it's pretty well known that if you aren't distributing it yourself then you have to play by the publisher's rules. I'm sure Bungie has some say, and I'm sure that Bungie's insistence was behind the compromise CE $20 price because I don't think Activision would really care one way or the other, but they are definitely in a less powerful position than Activision is. They've got a contract and they've got to abide by it.

 

[silver.tongue]

My problem with this was that I had to re-buy stuff that I already owned in order to get the new items.

Now that I don't, it became just like any other piece of dlc to me.

And looking at the price, I don't think it's worth it, so I'm not buying.

Why are ppl still outraged?

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

How is this pay 2 win?

Edit: Seriously, I don't think you know what Pay2Win means.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

Or, "a good deal" as it's being referred to by many here.

 

[nobodyshero]

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

This 100% is not that, at all.

 

[Homeboyd]

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

My new all-black shader and titan butt towel makes me unstoppable in pvp.

 

[MaximusPayne]

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

when did the color of your armor or dancing help you win?!...lol

 

[Anton Sugar]

It kinda reminds me of Microsoft with Windows 8 and 8.1. When 8 came out, lots of people were upset that the Start menu was replaced by the Start screen, as well as a missing Start button.

So what does MS do with Windows 8.1? They add the Start...button...back!

It's like, CLOSE, but also way off. The Windows 8.1 OT's subtitle was even "There's your Start menu."

This is Bungie saying, "Fine, you want this stuff? Here it is, for $20. Happy?"

 

[Kyne]

My problem with this was that I had to re-buy stuff that I already owned in order to get the new items.

Not that I don't, it became just like any other piece of dlc to me.

And looking at the price, I don't think it's worth it, so I'm not buying.

Why are ppl still outraged?



How is this pay 2 win?

Why are people outraged? People are always outraged. It gives them something to do.

 

[Lothars]

To be fair, you could compare CDPR to just about any other dev and the difference would still be amazing.

other than when CDPR stops legit retailers from selling their game just because. It soured me on CDPR than anything Bungie has done.

I'm speaking about people, not individuals. We all derive entertainment in different ways. i wasn't the one who used the word "busy."

Yeah your still totally off base.

 

[LifEndz]

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

Wait...what?

 

[-griffy-]

when did the color of your armor or dancing help you win?!...lol

People seem to keep forgetting you also get new class items that give bonus XP, which makes leveling your characters faster.

 

[VincentMatts]

That isn't really an opinion on the pricing itself though. It's just the same generalized shit posting that happens in controversial titles like this, Titanfall, Super Mario Sunshine, etc.


It's a bit of a mistake to view that as an apology. The apology is Luke about how his comments came across in the Eurogamer interview. The DLC business is Activision/Bungies profitable solution to people's complaints about TTK, though I think they still missed the point.

Missed the point is an understatement. They've made it very easy for me to move on from this game.

 

[Two Words]

Right but you said you didn't understand the goal posting comments...

Sure it doesn't make sense for your argument since you claim it's been the same all along. But the majority of the complaints have changed from one thing (not having an option to buy ce stuff without having to rebuy stuff they own) to (well I can buy it now, but I don't want to bc it's too expensive).

We're just helping you understand why people are claiming the goal post thing is happening.

I don't get it because it's just being assumed they're moving the goal posts. How many people specifically do you know that are actually moving the goal post? It sounds like that is just being assumed.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

So isn't that solved? You don't have to get the Year 1 releases to get the CE content now, at least digitally.

And I've said multiple times throughout that this was directed just as much, if not moreso, to the physical edition.

And again, the $20 tag for those 9 little items is extreme, bundled or separate. If there was an OST or some other digital incentive to even things up...maybe. But that's still hard to swallow given what content has been historically offered for Destiny at the same price point.

Yes, that is my subjective opinion. This is also a message board full of and largely based upon subjective opinions. It's ridiculous that the narrative in people are behind Activision/Bungie on this view that the subjective opinion on the value of the pricing of the DLC should not be discussed or remarked on, UNLESS they don't care or are willingly buying in. Don't tell me that isn't what is being said, otherwise why is it the go-to counterpoint to people taking issue with the price?

To be clear, I'm glad they did diversify the offer and such. But, yes IMO, it was done with only haste and exploitable profitable opportunities in mind rather than as an actual solution.

 

[Homeboyd]

I don't get it because it's just being assumed they're moving the goal posts. How many people specifically do you know that are actually moving the goal post? It sounds like that is just being assumed.

387

 

[Mass Appeal]

Welcome to "Pay2Win". :-(

How is cosmetic stuff "pay2win"?

Some of you people are so clueless about this game. It feels like any topic goes up on GAF about Destiny on the General Gaming board and the hordes of Bungie/destiny haters spam the topic with uninformed posts like this.

 

[benicillin]

People seem to keep forgetting you also get new class items that give bonus XP, which makes leveling your characters and weapons/armor faster.

The bonus XP is only for base leveling (i.e. 1-20) and subclass leveling (sunsinger/gunslinger/etc.) Has nothing to do with weapons or armor.

 

[blue_phazon]

People seem to keep forgetting you also get new class items that give bonus XP, which makes leveling your characters and weapons/armor faster.

But the original intent of these items was for new players, so they can get caught up faster, no?

 

[Zakalwe]

I don't get it because it's just being assumed they're moving the goal posts. How many people specifically do you know that are actually moving the goal post? It sounds like that is just being assumed.

What he described wasn't goalpost moving.

It was people being upset with a situation, a solution being offered and people being upset with the solution.

 

[Vodh]

Tbh fair enough about the CE stuff for $20, should have been cheaper but whatevs. still not touching TTK with a bargepole untill they address uk pricing.

 

[Lalalandia]

$40 for 1 new area on a $60 game that came with 4 (I don't count 'glimpsed in Vidoc' as confirmation just what's formally announced)

It's not had to see why that seems like shitty value but that is on top of TDB that offered no new areas, 1 raid and 4 new broomclosets not accessible in Patrol and HoW that offers no areas, 1 Horde mode and a few actually decent new areas.

So for my last $40 I got not very much in fact most of the changes I enjoy are not extra content but fixes to bad design (hi commendations). It's quite reasonable to say "Hey Bungie you stiffed me last time why should I trust you now?"=

Now Bungie wants $40 for what it claims is great value 'just like before' and I'm hearing alarm bells. What do I want? A $20 price tag that says "Hey I know we fucked up our meta design because we somehow decided to just ignore a decade plus of MMO design so here's something for sticking with". Instead it's $40 and Bungie are basically saying to me "Hey chump stump up, you did last time for bugger all and this time there's something worth paying for".

 

[Greendog]

I don't see how people can justify $20 for 9 cosmetic items when the House of Wolves is $20. Thats where I have a problem. Bungie is saying everything in the House of Wolves is of equal value as 9 cosmetic items.

But hey it took bungie 2 attempts to get gun upgrades right so it'll take them 2 attempts to get the pricing of the CE stuff right too.

EDIT: Now if they were to beef up this $20 bubdle with more content then I wouldn't have a problem. Just seems overpriced with the current content